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Sorry T250
Having spent the last 26 years "holding over Bovingdon" for up to 40 minutes on bad days and never less than 10 mins in CAVOK I used to pray for another runway. I once took a note of all my holding in one year and it added up to 20 hours...............
Having spent the last 26 years "holding over Bovingdon" for up to 40 minutes on bad days and never less than 10 mins in CAVOK I used to pray for another runway. I once took a note of all my holding in one year and it added up to 20 hours...............
The previous aircraft cannot leave the stand because the queue to take off is too long no more aircraft can join it. Once an aircraft is in the queue there's another 20-40 minute wait to takeoff.
Please can someone explain how is this making Heathrow "better not bigger" (to use the standard mantra of anti-LHR expansion MPs).
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Fairdeal,
No, the usual reason is simply that the departure is not yet ready.
If it's a question of departure delay, then we usually push them when they are ready and then remote hold them, especially if there's an inbound waiting to park on that stand.
No, the usual reason is simply that the departure is not yet ready.
If it's a question of departure delay, then we usually push them when they are ready and then remote hold them, especially if there's an inbound waiting to park on that stand.
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Plane strikes drone while approaching Heathrow. Landed safely.
Drone hit plane approaching Heathrow Airport - BBC News
Drone hit plane approaching Heathrow Airport - BBC News
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Fairdeal,
No, the usual reason is simply that the departure is not yet ready.
If it's a question of departure delay, then we usually push them when they are ready and then remote hold them, especially if there's an inbound waiting to park on that stand.
No, the usual reason is simply that the departure is not yet ready.
If it's a question of departure delay, then we usually push them when they are ready and then remote hold them, especially if there's an inbound waiting to park on that stand.
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LCY closure
The Green Party mayoral candidate, Sian Berry, was on "Sunday Politics London" yesterday. She came out with all the usual Green party platitudes and nonsense, but perhaps the most ridiculous comment was.....
.....that London City Airport would be closed and that all flights would be transferred to Heathrow.
She did not state, and regretably, she was not asked by how high much the rates precept would have to rise to pay for this.
Interestingly, the Green Party isn't suggesting the closure of Heathrow, but how on earth could Heathrow absorb all of London City's movements and pax?
.....that London City Airport would be closed and that all flights would be transferred to Heathrow.
She did not state, and regretably, she was not asked by how high much the rates precept would have to rise to pay for this.
Interestingly, the Green Party isn't suggesting the closure of Heathrow, but how on earth could Heathrow absorb all of London City's movements and pax?
Paxing All Over The World
I find many reporters now have no in depth knowledge and, it seems, no one behind the scenes to feed the key questions into their ear piece.
If an aircraft that's ready to go is held on stand due to departure delays, rather than being pushed back and then held remotely, doesn't that suggest that in those instances there probably isn't another aircraft waiting to use the stand?
Why don't we ask a controller?
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Fairdeal,
Yes, so in those cases there probably wasn't anyone waiting for your gate.
And in my experience some flight crews blur the distinction between departure delay due to traffic at LHR, and departure delay to to an arrival or en-route restriction (slot time). Also in my experience, some blame 'ATC delays' for myriad other delays.
Yes, so in those cases there probably wasn't anyone waiting for your gate.
And in my experience some flight crews blur the distinction between departure delay due to traffic at LHR, and departure delay to to an arrival or en-route restriction (slot time). Also in my experience, some blame 'ATC delays' for myriad other delays.
Fairdeal,
Yes, so in those cases there probably wasn't anyone waiting for your gate.
And in my experience some flight crews blur the distinction between departure delay due to traffic at LHR, and departure delay to to an arrival or en-route restriction (slot time). Also in my experience, some blame 'ATC delays' for myriad other delays.
Yes, so in those cases there probably wasn't anyone waiting for your gate.
And in my experience some flight crews blur the distinction between departure delay due to traffic at LHR, and departure delay to to an arrival or en-route restriction (slot time). Also in my experience, some blame 'ATC delays' for myriad other delays.
Looks like TfL are beginning to baulk at the upgrade costs..
Heathrow runway will create £16bn burden for Transport for London
I'm seeing a "softening-up" for an LGW decision.
Heathrow runway will create £16bn burden for Transport for London
I'm seeing a "softening-up" for an LGW decision.
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I don't really see it as a LHR or LGW decision. Clearly the airports commission was obliged to look at it as such (once the Thames airport was ruled out) but I think wider considerations are at work.
Yes there is significant demand to and from the London and South east. Yes there is also significant demand to and from other areas of the UK.
Why not develop significant capacity elsewhere? It looks like airlines, rather than routing via European Hubs (as had been the argument) are simply putting extra capacity into places like Manchester and Birmingham.
Yes, London is incredible and should be supported. But why not also seek to support other large cities with this type of investment. £16bn is a massive amount that would probably buy you a complete new airport and infrastructure outside of the south east. spending that on heathrow would be poor value for money.
If LHR wish to pay for it themselves - that's another question.
Yes there is significant demand to and from the London and South east. Yes there is also significant demand to and from other areas of the UK.
Why not develop significant capacity elsewhere? It looks like airlines, rather than routing via European Hubs (as had been the argument) are simply putting extra capacity into places like Manchester and Birmingham.
Yes, London is incredible and should be supported. But why not also seek to support other large cities with this type of investment. £16bn is a massive amount that would probably buy you a complete new airport and infrastructure outside of the south east. spending that on heathrow would be poor value for money.
If LHR wish to pay for it themselves - that's another question.
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Very few politicians and media folk actually understand how much £1 bn actually is. .....
A rough straw poll said 5m, 10m, and 100m !
Nobody I spoke to realised it was infact 1000million !
In real money £16,000,000,000
One thing I do agree on, it's current location is a blessing and a curse.
Heathrow has grown so big the surrounding infastructure is almost at a standstill. I'm suprised it's still so popular given the gridlock.
A rough straw poll said 5m, 10m, and 100m !
Nobody I spoke to realised it was infact 1000million !
In real money £16,000,000,000
One thing I do agree on, it's current location is a blessing and a curse.
Heathrow has grown so big the surrounding infastructure is almost at a standstill. I'm suprised it's still so popular given the gridlock.
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I don't see how a decision can be made until after the Referendum result is digested, If we go Brexit then huge customs facilities will have to be set up at the channel tunnel and all airport facilities, since at the moment European goods/freight are Vat/duty free
Heathrow has grown so big the surrounding infrastructure is almost at a standstill. I'm surprised it's still so popular given the gridlock.
You want to try the M6 from Coventry to Wigan (100 miles) on a Friday afternoon for infrastructure overloaded !
Looks like TfL are beginning to baulk at the upgrade costs..
Heathrow runway will create £16bn burden for Transport for London
I'm seeing a "softening-up" for an LGW decision.
Heathrow runway will create £16bn burden for Transport for London
I'm seeing a "softening-up" for an LGW decision.
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The fact is that Heathrow and Gatwick are both in desperate need of a new runway as they are both running at capacity (Heathrow more so they Gatwick), Heathrow is packed and Gatwick is like a cattle market especially in the school holidays. But no one else is to blame apart from the Government who should have planned ahead, Heathrow has been running at capacity for years now and it's getting ridiculous. It's all down to politics. Every other country with a major airport in Europe seem to get it right but the UK. It's an embarrassment and a disgrace. Even Manchester received a second runway well before any London airport. If Heathrow gets a new runway, there are 30 airlines waiting to operate out of Heathrow and any existing airline would like to increase frequency and introduce new services, and it will be too late. It will be running near capacity again very soon after the completion of the expansion. 
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To HH
"In fact LHR used to have 4 -6 runways until they closed the cross runways to expand the Terminals........................"
With modern computing technology was this in part a mistake ? - Not all Six runways; but perhaps keeping two.
CAT III with 20/20 hindsight.
With modern computing technology was this in part a mistake ? - Not all Six runways; but perhaps keeping two.
CAT III with 20/20 hindsight.
One of the cross runways was in use until about 15 years ago, but its existence made no difference whatsoever to runway capacity.