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Is it a car park? The first image looks like an open area but the second looks like it's covered. Can't see an access road so maybe airside vehicle parking?
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Labour has now done an about turn......and crucially he expects all Labour MPs to oppose!
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Is it a car park? The first image looks like an open area but the second looks like it's covered. Can't see an access road so maybe airside vehicle parking?
This is from ch-aviation:
As Addis Ababa Bole International Airport's altitude of 2,334m curtails aircraft performance, Ethiopian authorities are considering locations for the new airport that are both accessible to Addis Ababa as well as situated on lower ground. A decision will be taken before work on the USD2.5 billion facility gets under way early next year. An opening date has been set for sometime in 2018.
Quite quick, quite cheap!
As Addis Ababa Bole International Airport's altitude of 2,334m curtails aircraft performance, Ethiopian authorities are considering locations for the new airport that are both accessible to Addis Ababa as well as situated on lower ground. A decision will be taken before work on the USD2.5 billion facility gets under way early next year. An opening date has been set for sometime in 2018.
Quite quick, quite cheap!
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It will make almost zero impact either way on volumes out of MAN.
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I have long argued that Heathrow requires a root and branch evaluation of cost. At no point have ANY of our English MPs discussed the taxpayer exposure or implications that is why it is a source of frustration, the real story is yet to come out.
Labour have completely side stepped this and focused on air quality , The SNP however have clocked that £5bn exposure so I would not be so sure they will support this. Only last month they noted it was a another slug of cash heading into the SE.
The posting from the Independent is I'm sure of interest to those both for and indeed against. I would have posted exactly the same reference had Labour been initially against and had changed to yes vote.
It's of interest whatever the outcome, as an aviation analyst surely it is something you would be mindful of.
In addition if LHR gets its 3rw there may possibly be cuts on service at other airports in order that the UK meets UK wide emissions, well sorry that is not something I agree with. Each airport needs to get its own house in order. In that respect with "continous descent" procedures Manchester is ahead of the game with 89% of landings accomplished this way. Not sure what the figure is for LHR but MAN should not be penalised based on what happens 200 miles away !
The fact you don't like the end result of this change of heart is of supreme indifference. Others will have an opinion on the implications of this.
The article did suggest that such is the retinence of Tory Backbenchers, the PM would be relying on the support of Labour ! That is now unlikely with previous labour pro RW3 MPs unwilling to vote against Corbyn at least not on what many perceive as a minor issue ie Aviation
I have long argued that Heathrow requires a root and branch evaluation of cost. At no point have ANY of our English MPs discussed the taxpayer exposure or implications that is why it is a source of frustration, the real story is yet to come out.
Labour have completely side stepped this and focused on air quality , The SNP however have clocked that £5bn exposure so I would not be so sure they will support this. Only last month they noted it was a another slug of cash heading into the SE.
The posting from the Independent is I'm sure of interest to those both for and indeed against. I would have posted exactly the same reference had Labour been initially against and had changed to yes vote.
It's of interest whatever the outcome, as an aviation analyst surely it is something you would be mindful of.
In addition if LHR gets its 3rw there may possibly be cuts on service at other airports in order that the UK meets UK wide emissions, well sorry that is not something I agree with. Each airport needs to get its own house in order. In that respect with "continous descent" procedures Manchester is ahead of the game with 89% of landings accomplished this way. Not sure what the figure is for LHR but MAN should not be penalised based on what happens 200 miles away !
The fact you don't like the end result of this change of heart is of supreme indifference. Others will have an opinion on the implications of this.
The article did suggest that such is the retinence of Tory Backbenchers, the PM would be relying on the support of Labour ! That is now unlikely with previous labour pro RW3 MPs unwilling to vote against Corbyn at least not on what many perceive as a minor issue ie Aviation
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You just can't help yourself can you, Skipness? Your risible attempts to depict all PPRuNe objectors to LHR R3 as MAN reggie-collectors has been exposed as lies time and again
Actually, we're going round in circles now, there's nothing new to add at the mo.
Bagso and myself have consistently argued against R3 on the grounds of cost. Our posting histories confirm this. There is a serious case to answer. Argue the issues on that level if you can and spare us all the childish innuendos.
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a reggie collector. As it happens I am also one myself, the industry is also full of #avgeeks
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But Skip that is the point we are not going round in circles.
The main opposition who supported RW3 are now against and whilst many Labour MPs support expansion they are not going to appear to be devisive. This could have a major impact and was not widely reported, hence my link. ?
In other news...
The SNP conference starts today, Alex Salmond was scathing about what he saw as more billions being poured into SE. As an SNP grandee his voice is likely to resonate with SNP MPs.
Hence not sure why you suggest SNP 100% behind RW3.
Heathrow decision just latest example of UK Government?s London obsession - Alex Salmond / Politics / News / The Courier
The main opposition who supported RW3 are now against and whilst many Labour MPs support expansion they are not going to appear to be devisive. This could have a major impact and was not widely reported, hence my link. ?
In other news...
The SNP conference starts today, Alex Salmond was scathing about what he saw as more billions being poured into SE. As an SNP grandee his voice is likely to resonate with SNP MPs.
Hence not sure why you suggest SNP 100% behind RW3.
Heathrow decision just latest example of UK Government?s London obsession - Alex Salmond / Politics / News / The Courier
Here's an idea....
Take the average APD paid in LHR, multiply by number of passengers, add a third (to be conservative)
Take number of tonnes of fuel uplifted by airlines each year in LHR, do the same. Fuel normally runs at roughly 800 GBP a tonne, of which between 60 and 70% goes to the government on duty depending on country (68% here in Ireland I believe, not sure what yours is).
With those 2 numbers alone you should get SOME indication when you would all get your money back. Obviously it's not including growth in staff, growth in tourism, business etc but it's a start
Take the average APD paid in LHR, multiply by number of passengers, add a third (to be conservative)
Take number of tonnes of fuel uplifted by airlines each year in LHR, do the same. Fuel normally runs at roughly 800 GBP a tonne, of which between 60 and 70% goes to the government on duty depending on country (68% here in Ireland I believe, not sure what yours is).
With those 2 numbers alone you should get SOME indication when you would all get your money back. Obviously it's not including growth in staff, growth in tourism, business etc but it's a start
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I am now repeating myself (many times over). R3 will not be built. No one has the cohonies to do it. Across the last 45 years, all politicians have failed on this point.
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This appears to have just been "sneaked" out.
Wonder how long it will be before it is picked up by mainstream media ?
Parliamentary Written Answer from Transport Minister published this evening.
"The surface access costs for Heathrow expansion are estimated at £5 billion by the Airports Commission, although Transport for London had put the predicted figure at £15-20 billion.
In response to a parliamentary question tabled by Conservative MP and prominent Third Runway opponent Adam Afriyie, Transport Minister Robert Goodwill said:
“In terms of surface access proposals, the Government has been clear that it expects the scheme promoter to meet the costs of any surface access proposals that are required as a direct result of airport expansion and from which they will directly benefit.”
Wonder how long it will be before it is picked up by mainstream media ?
Parliamentary Written Answer from Transport Minister published this evening.
"The surface access costs for Heathrow expansion are estimated at £5 billion by the Airports Commission, although Transport for London had put the predicted figure at £15-20 billion.
In response to a parliamentary question tabled by Conservative MP and prominent Third Runway opponent Adam Afriyie, Transport Minister Robert Goodwill said:
“In terms of surface access proposals, the Government has been clear that it expects the scheme promoter to meet the costs of any surface access proposals that are required as a direct result of airport expansion and from which they will directly benefit.”
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Labour has now done an about turn......and crucially he expects all Labour MPs to oppose!
As the leader, Corbyn can expect the kind of loyalty from MPs that he showed to Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown, Miliband, etc. when a humble back-bencher. It appears to be a "poacher turned gamekeeper" situation, what goes round comes around, you reap what you sow.
Judging by the antics of Shadow Chancellor McDonnell, one could be forgiven for thinking that wheels are coming off already!
The SNP conference starts today, Alex Salmond was scathing about what he saw as more billions being poured into SE. As an SNP grandee his voice is likely to resonate with SNP MPs.
Hence not sure why you suggest SNP 100% behind RW3.
Hence not sure why you suggest SNP 100% behind RW3.
Heathrow decision just latest example of UK Government?s London obsession - Alex Salmond / Politics / News / The Courier
In the article, Salmond is quoted as saying:
"...However, if new capacity is needed in London then at least Heathrow’s rival Gatwick have pledged they would build a new runway there at no cost to the public purse and guarantee proper access to the capital from Scottish airports..."
LGW managers cannot guarantee anything of the sort, to do so would fall foul of the all-powerful European Union.
This appears to have just been "sneaked" out.
Wonder how long it will be before it is picked up by mainstream media ?
Parliamentary Written Answer from Transport Minister published this evening.
"The surface access costs for Heathrow expansion are estimated at £5 billion by the Airports Commission, although Transport for London had put the predicted figure at £15-20 billion.
Wonder how long it will be before it is picked up by mainstream media ?
Parliamentary Written Answer from Transport Minister published this evening.
"The surface access costs for Heathrow expansion are estimated at £5 billion by the Airports Commission, although Transport for London had put the predicted figure at £15-20 billion.
Unfortunately, it looks like it has over-played its hand (four times more than the official estimate is frankly beyond credibility).
However, it has nothing to do with Transport for London or Boris.
The road and motorway enhancements, etc., are the responsibility of the Dept of Transport/Highways Agency, the railway enhancements that of the Dept of Transport/Network Rail.
In response to a parliamentary question tabled by Conservative MP and prominent Third Runway opponent Adam Afriyie, Transport Minister Robert Goodwill said:
“In terms of surface access proposals, the Government has been clear that it expects the scheme promoter to meet the costs of any surface access proposals that are required as a direct result of airport expansion and from which they will directly benefit.”
“In terms of surface access proposals, the Government has been clear that it expects the scheme promoter to meet the costs of any surface access proposals that are required as a direct result of airport expansion and from which they will directly benefit.”
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Robert Goodwill said:
“... the scheme promoter to meet the costs of any surface access proposals that are required as a direct result of airport expansion and from which they will directly benefit.”
“... the scheme promoter to meet the costs of any surface access proposals that are required as a direct result of airport expansion and from which they will directly benefit.”
One has a distinct suspicion that the expansion of CDG, AMS, FRA, MUC benefit more than just local jobs ...
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In the last few days it was announced the NHS lost £1B in the first quarter, so projecting that for 2015 that amounts to £4B. So if you just take a mid point cost of the surface transport provision for R3 then that's 3yrs of NHS overspend
Clearly the 60M people in the UK will not care a fig for LHR expansion if they can't get their health needs met
Clearly the 60M people in the UK will not care a fig for LHR expansion if they can't get their health needs met
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"four times more than the official estimate is frankly beyond credibility)"
and how many large public investments come in on cost Frank?
Olympics
Scottish Parliament
British Library
Guy's House
Portcullis House
Channel Tunnel
HS2
Crossrail
Jubilee Line extension
I know which way the bookies would bet..................
and how many large public investments come in on cost Frank?
Olympics
Scottish Parliament
British Library
Guy's House
Portcullis House
Channel Tunnel
HS2
Crossrail
Jubilee Line extension
I know which way the bookies would bet..................