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The new runway
Just thinking about the new runway at DUB, due to be open some time in 2013 ...
3,110m - or around 10,200', which is about the length the current runway should be. Okay, the likelihood is that they're not going to lengthen the current runway, but at least they could have learned lessons about leaving the current runway at the length it is, and make sure that the new one has the length to handle current aircraft at MTOW; is 10,200' sufficient to take a 744F at MTOW?
As for the interim period, until 2013, perhaps - instead of lengthening the runway, they could make a focus on air cargo and invest in a marketing program which would focus on attracting new cargo airlines?
It's a real pity that the govt isn't taking an interest in this issue; with all of the junkets (and much as I agree with steps to develop trade links, they are junkets, if they're not prepared to take steps to ensure infrastructure is in place to support planned growth) to Asia, wouldn't you think there would be some level of co-ordination, so that the various departments and agencies could work together to support new routes and the development of new markets.
3,110m - or around 10,200', which is about the length the current runway should be. Okay, the likelihood is that they're not going to lengthen the current runway, but at least they could have learned lessons about leaving the current runway at the length it is, and make sure that the new one has the length to handle current aircraft at MTOW; is 10,200' sufficient to take a 744F at MTOW?
As for the interim period, until 2013, perhaps - instead of lengthening the runway, they could make a focus on air cargo and invest in a marketing program which would focus on attracting new cargo airlines?
It's a real pity that the govt isn't taking an interest in this issue; with all of the junkets (and much as I agree with steps to develop trade links, they are junkets, if they're not prepared to take steps to ensure infrastructure is in place to support planned growth) to Asia, wouldn't you think there would be some level of co-ordination, so that the various departments and agencies could work together to support new routes and the development of new markets.
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Have absolutely no interest whatsoever in cargo,their attitude is,if you ignore it ,it might go away,it is obvious by the facilities or lack of that they provide,at the moment, with air cargo registering massive growth throughout the world,except Dublin where it has been stagnant or in decline,most of the stands at the cargo shed are occuppied by Cityjet 146s and as far as I am aware ther has been no real provision made for a new cargo facility,when the new Terminal is built, as the proposed terminal will be built where the existing cargo sheds are.
Have absolutely no interest whatsoever in cargo,their attitude is,if you ignore it ,it might go away,it is obvious by the facilities or lack of that they provide,at the moment, with air cargo registering massive growth throughout the world,except Dublin where it has been stagnant or in decline,most of the stands at the cargo shed are occuppied by Cityjet 146s and as far as I am aware ther has been no real provision made for a new cargo facility,when the new Terminal is built, as the proposed terminal will be built where the existing cargo sheds are.
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RE taking NOC-DUB
So there I was credit card in sweaty hand on a website.British Airways, to be exact. Trying to book a ticket Dub-Noc to see 'dahling mamaaaaa'. Wouldn't let me. Kept getting error and same on timetables.
Getting annoyed so tippety tap over to RE. I'm perusing DUB-GWY times and considering moving back to the 'oul sod' so am ferreting the internals of their web info. Dated 24th April, there's a blah piece about RE being delighted to be back on the NOC-DUB route from 28th May etc.
I am aware of the Loganair restructuring and RE expansion. But when did this happen? Is BA off LDY-DUB too?
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doesn't look like it. The a/c on NOC-DUB was probably the same as DUB-GLA but the DUB-LDY is probably on a LDY-GLA rotation too. However, if FR came knocking next PSO round as they did with KIR last time I imagine Logiebear won't be as secure.
I imagine the DoT are vexed since they seem anxious to avoid RE looking like the inhouse airline and yet (as with Euroceltic) it seems to end up that way.
doesn't look like it. The a/c on NOC-DUB was probably the same as DUB-GLA but the DUB-LDY is probably on a LDY-GLA rotation too. However, if FR came knocking next PSO round as they did with KIR last time I imagine Logiebear won't be as secure.
I imagine the DoT are vexed since they seem anxious to avoid RE looking like the inhouse airline and yet (as with Euroceltic) it seems to end up that way.
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Hmm. So where is the Bank going to go? By grouping these together am I right in surmising that drawing a line from the 2 cash machines across the US and EI charter checkin area down to that 'Sweet Stall' (or whatever it is) and everything therein (toilets? Berbers?) is being removed and new gates in their place?
One half of me wants to *sigh* in terror at the thought that if the DAA's planning already sees the need for a marquee, then its going to be one hell of a summer. On the other hand, at least it seems there IS actually some sort of a planning dept. (or desk....at least).
So they're planning to have a downstairs checkin.....um.....they mean like did, what, 6/5 years ago for the EI Uk regions and LCY flights? HA HA. There's nothing like progressing forward, unlike, say, regressing back. And why are FR being negotiated with? I would presume they should just be TOLD where to go (in so many senses), given the rates THEY pay. (Fold Away/Laptop checkin).
Any plans for a frequent flyer or Fastrack security lane for arrivals and more particularly departures? Couldn't that RE domestic lane be used for Fastrack and be manned 6 - 9 and 5 - 8 Monday to Friday and Sunday say 6 - 8?
One half of me wants to *sigh* in terror at the thought that if the DAA's planning already sees the need for a marquee, then its going to be one hell of a summer. On the other hand, at least it seems there IS actually some sort of a planning dept. (or desk....at least).
So they're planning to have a downstairs checkin.....um.....they mean like did, what, 6/5 years ago for the EI Uk regions and LCY flights? HA HA. There's nothing like progressing forward, unlike, say, regressing back. And why are FR being negotiated with? I would presume they should just be TOLD where to go (in so many senses), given the rates THEY pay. (Fold Away/Laptop checkin).
Any plans for a frequent flyer or Fastrack security lane for arrivals and more particularly departures? Couldn't that RE domestic lane be used for Fastrack and be manned 6 - 9 and 5 - 8 Monday to Friday and Sunday say 6 - 8?
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doesn't look like it. The a/c on NOC-DUB was probably the same as DUB-GLA but the DUB-LDY is probably on a LDY-GLA rotation too. However, if FR came knocking next PSO round as they did with KIR last time I imagine Logiebear won't be as secure.
I imagine the DoT are vexed since they seem anxious to avoid RE looking like the inhouse airline and yet (as with Euroceltic) it seems to end up that way.
doesn't look like it. The a/c on NOC-DUB was probably the same as DUB-GLA but the DUB-LDY is probably on a LDY-GLA rotation too. However, if FR came knocking next PSO round as they did with KIR last time I imagine Logiebear won't be as secure.
I imagine the DoT are vexed since they seem anxious to avoid RE looking like the inhouse airline and yet (as with Euroceltic) it seems to end up that way.
Btw, not accusing dodgy stuff, just wondering.
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It would have to go via the Official Journal of the EC I suppose which would involve minimum bidding times etc. etc. A temp assignment is what you have to do to prevent interruption in service. RE being an existing PSO holder and with relationships in NOC previously (not to mention a known brand) probably had quietly made crewing contingencies to accomodate a call from DoT which Flybe etc. would not have been ready for.
It would have to go via the Official Journal of the EC I suppose which would involve minimum bidding times etc. etc. A temp assignment is what you have to do to prevent interruption in service. RE being an existing PSO holder and with relationships in NOC previously (not to mention a known brand) probably had quietly made crewing contingencies to accomodate a call from DoT which Flybe etc. would not have been ready for.
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last time around they just ran out the clock until the next PSO round - don't know if there's a limit (next tender is approx. two years from now)
last time around they just ran out the clock until the next PSO round - don't know if there's a limit (next tender is approx. two years from now)
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"Shall I prepare the guest room for Mr. Cock-up?",
to quote Baldrick.
Ah yes, they seem to have done it again. Today's Irish Times carries a report to the effect that the new terminal at Dublin may need to be expanded by as much as 50%, to cater for projected demand.
Now, I can't help recalling, through the mists of time to those halcyon days of ... 2005, when six months was spent back and forth, deciding (!) and undeciding, fretting, backflipping, etc. etc. over the whole terminal issue, that a plan was put in place, which we were told would serve us pretty much indefinitely; we'd have a Terminal 2 and then, if the need arose (which it now seems to?) a Terminal 3. The DAA decided it would build a terminal near the end of Pier C and it developed its plan based on that.
It's given (as has the govt) a commitment to have it open in 2009; now, if it goes messing about with a new design, which presumably will need planning permission (?), and now it comes back to say it need more time. TOUGH! They had their time to put together a plan to meet anticipated growth; they seem to have failed. The govt should take a tough stand on this and insist that planning for T3 go ahead and it should take this as another reason why the DAA should not be allowed to manage the new terminal.
Personally, I think it's time for a "nuclear option" to be considered (and not the one the Dear Leader rejected yesterday):
Take the DAA out of terminal management and confine them to airfield management, i.e. the regulatory side of runnning an airport; they would look after fire services, security, runway lighting, landscaping etc etc and professional terminal operators, with a clearly established track record of growth, marketing and customer service (such as Schiphol, SATS etc) would be brought in to operate (or build/operate) the terminals, paying service charges and rental to the DAA.
The only way you're going to drive home to the DAA that the service it provides and its planning cock-ups are unacceptable is to remove responsibility for these issues from them. They've been warned often enough and this simply isn't good enough. At the risk of stating the "bleeding obvious", we're an island nation and we have a greater need than any other country in Europe for an aggressive, growth orientated and pro-active approach to aviation. It should have happened long before now.
Ah yes, they seem to have done it again. Today's Irish Times carries a report to the effect that the new terminal at Dublin may need to be expanded by as much as 50%, to cater for projected demand.
Now, I can't help recalling, through the mists of time to those halcyon days of ... 2005, when six months was spent back and forth, deciding (!) and undeciding, fretting, backflipping, etc. etc. over the whole terminal issue, that a plan was put in place, which we were told would serve us pretty much indefinitely; we'd have a Terminal 2 and then, if the need arose (which it now seems to?) a Terminal 3. The DAA decided it would build a terminal near the end of Pier C and it developed its plan based on that.
It's given (as has the govt) a commitment to have it open in 2009; now, if it goes messing about with a new design, which presumably will need planning permission (?), and now it comes back to say it need more time. TOUGH! They had their time to put together a plan to meet anticipated growth; they seem to have failed. The govt should take a tough stand on this and insist that planning for T3 go ahead and it should take this as another reason why the DAA should not be allowed to manage the new terminal.
Personally, I think it's time for a "nuclear option" to be considered (and not the one the Dear Leader rejected yesterday):
Take the DAA out of terminal management and confine them to airfield management, i.e. the regulatory side of runnning an airport; they would look after fire services, security, runway lighting, landscaping etc etc and professional terminal operators, with a clearly established track record of growth, marketing and customer service (such as Schiphol, SATS etc) would be brought in to operate (or build/operate) the terminals, paying service charges and rental to the DAA.
The only way you're going to drive home to the DAA that the service it provides and its planning cock-ups are unacceptable is to remove responsibility for these issues from them. They've been warned often enough and this simply isn't good enough. At the risk of stating the "bleeding obvious", we're an island nation and we have a greater need than any other country in Europe for an aggressive, growth orientated and pro-active approach to aviation. It should have happened long before now.
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I read in a local paper that the management at NOC complained to the Dept. of tranport about the service Loganair provided .The loganair was always late departing NOC.
Aer Arann will commence the route starting 28th May.
Aer Arann will commence the route starting 28th May.
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Does anybody know what DAA intends to do once the bank of ireland is removed? The Hughes and Hughes and AerLingus ticket desk are gone, so whats goin there????
Also, its almost may, which means US airways will be back to PHL, Air Canada to YYZ via Shannon, and the 2nd daily Continental flight to EWR starts on May 4th! I have no idea where these aircraft will park during the busy morning rush, because last summer it was a mess!!!! there was EI A330's left right and centre!
Also, its almost may, which means US airways will be back to PHL, Air Canada to YYZ via Shannon, and the 2nd daily Continental flight to EWR starts on May 4th! I have no idea where these aircraft will park during the busy morning rush, because last summer it was a mess!!!! there was EI A330's left right and centre!
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I still think the positioning of the aerlinhus self-check-in kiosks is idiotic! its right in front of other check-in desks!!!! move them somewhere else that isnt blocking check-in desks!!!!!!!!!!
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Any idea what the loads are like for GulfAir's flights to Bahrain????? I saw that an A340-300 is scheduled for next wednesdays flight; i though they were just using the A330-200? I had a quick look through the booking for next wednesday's flight, and theres nobody booked in business or first, and less than 30 in economy!!!!
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Finally, someone has recognised that cargo is an issue:
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/04/28/story256367.html
It's about time, but given its sheer inability to plan for growth of pax traffic, I don't have any hope that it will. So, let's see the score sheet ...
- Runway too short
- Even new pax facilities below required capacity (despite only have been announced last year, after 6 months of consideration)
- No new cargo facilities planned.
Were it not for their being implicated, the Taoiseach/minister should sack the top DAA people and get a new team in place. For a sector of the economy so important, it's criminally negligent.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/04/28/story256367.html
It's about time, but given its sheer inability to plan for growth of pax traffic, I don't have any hope that it will. So, let's see the score sheet ...
- Runway too short
- Even new pax facilities below required capacity (despite only have been announced last year, after 6 months of consideration)
- No new cargo facilities planned.
Were it not for their being implicated, the Taoiseach/minister should sack the top DAA people and get a new team in place. For a sector of the economy so important, it's criminally negligent.
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Minister for Foreign Affairs: Fast Track Ireland - Japan
The Min. for Foreign Affairs is to raise the issue of fast tracking Ireland - Japan routes in talks with his Japanese opposite number. The minister said that Japan was our biggest trading partner in Asia and that Ireland would be of great interest to Japanese golfers.
Personally I hope something comes of this, but I would think freight links would/should be the priority. Pax flights should definitely happen, but when - well, that's another issue. A330-200s would definitely be the right aircraft for the job.
Not to sound like a broken record, but I think this is exactly the kind of situation where Dublin Airport's failed planning is most evident. In virtually any other major airport in Europe, this would not be a problem - even in the new EU member states, our competition. Dublin should be able to accommodate the cargo growth such routes would allow; again, its runway should be able to offer the potential of nonstop flights by large (particularly cargo aircraft); neither can happen. If DUB is as critical to the infrastructure as the govt says it is (and you can't argue with that), then IT needs to take a more hands on approach and make it happen.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ire...OLFLIGHTS.html
Personally I hope something comes of this, but I would think freight links would/should be the priority. Pax flights should definitely happen, but when - well, that's another issue. A330-200s would definitely be the right aircraft for the job.
Not to sound like a broken record, but I think this is exactly the kind of situation where Dublin Airport's failed planning is most evident. In virtually any other major airport in Europe, this would not be a problem - even in the new EU member states, our competition. Dublin should be able to accommodate the cargo growth such routes would allow; again, its runway should be able to offer the potential of nonstop flights by large (particularly cargo aircraft); neither can happen. If DUB is as critical to the infrastructure as the govt says it is (and you can't argue with that), then IT needs to take a more hands on approach and make it happen.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ire...OLFLIGHTS.html