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he night in question the last SZ flight from LGW was 10mins early and last night 7 mins late landing at NQY.
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Dash 7 lover,
RSOL is misinformed, or ignorant, making a statement that the St. Mawgan runway is long enough to take anything flying today.
Whilst the DC8 is just one example, that remains flying today, in the cargo sector, and will continue flying for many years to come there will be other aircraft types also that, at MTOW, St. Mawgan's runway will not be long enough to accommodate!
If NQY want to stick with modern aircraft, at less than MTOW, then stick with the passenger sector.
RSOL is misinformed, or ignorant, making a statement that the St. Mawgan runway is long enough to take anything flying today.
Whilst the DC8 is just one example, that remains flying today, in the cargo sector, and will continue flying for many years to come there will be other aircraft types also that, at MTOW, St. Mawgan's runway will not be long enough to accommodate!
If NQY want to stick with modern aircraft, at less than MTOW, then stick with the passenger sector.
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PF, as you are so informed can you tell me what aircraft cannot use a 2744m runway? obviously you have not been round the world in any time, never mind 80 days and you are just as ignorant as the ill informed on this site. Whilst the taxiway infrastructure will struggle with some a/c types the majority will operate under special operations, which open up a lot of opportunities.
NQY can be what it wants to be, following Mills the Airport has the correct management team to deliver. Give it time away from the Council mandate, nothing happens over night and will take time!
NQY can be what it wants to be, following Mills the Airport has the correct management team to deliver. Give it time away from the Council mandate, nothing happens over night and will take time!
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(can you tell me what aircraft cannot use a 2744m runway)
Bundanoon,
Just read back in the thread, planned on still air, St. Mawgan's runway isn't long enough for a DC8-62 at MTOW and probably other types of DC8 that shall remain flying for years to come.
Bundanoon,
Just read back in the thread, planned on still air, St. Mawgan's runway isn't long enough for a DC8-62 at MTOW and probably other types of DC8 that shall remain flying for years to come.
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Bundanoon. Slightly confused by your last paragraph, could you elucidate please? Do you know something regarding the relationship between Newquay Airport Ltd and Cornwall Council and its officers that you can share with us? I am sure from your comment you must have studied the master plan and recently published report regarding the airport handover and if so your opinion of it may add value to this forum.
Dash 7 Lover - I haven't done the research but share your feeling that Newquay would probably make an excellent refuelling point for exec jets with the right infrastructure in place. Re the cargo hub logic dictates that any contribution is a good contribution but I just cannot see how in a business model the idea can be viable. The point I have made though again and again is that Newquay needs something much more sustainable on site and that will not come solely from aircraft movements no matter what they are carrying?
Dash 7 Lover - I haven't done the research but share your feeling that Newquay would probably make an excellent refuelling point for exec jets with the right infrastructure in place. Re the cargo hub logic dictates that any contribution is a good contribution but I just cannot see how in a business model the idea can be viable. The point I have made though again and again is that Newquay needs something much more sustainable on site and that will not come solely from aircraft movements no matter what they are carrying?
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How long ago was it that you struggled to take off in a DC-8 at MTOW at PIK?
It's true that the runway at NQY is only 2745mtrs. But before the MOD pulled out (1st DEC08), the runway length was approximatly 600mtrs longer, making more than capable (according to wikipedia) of accomodating a 747-400 at MTOW.
I seem to remember on more than 1 occasion, an Antonov 124 landing at St Mawgan and that never struggled to take off with a belly full.
The runway had to be redesignated to accommodate the new ILS system that was needed to gain a civil licence. The approx 600mtrs hasn't disappeared either. Its still used as a roll on, for runway 30 and a roll off for runway 12. So there is still approximatly 3300mtrs of tarmac to use should there be a need for it, Making it more than capable of handling nearly anything flying today, as i stated several posts ago.
So i'm sure, MR Fogg, that you and your precious DC8-62, would of been able to use St Mawgan's runway if you had had the correct information regarding this airfield at the time.
How long ago was it that you struggled to take off in a DC-8 at MTOW at PIK?
It's true that the runway at NQY is only 2745mtrs. But before the MOD pulled out (1st DEC08), the runway length was approximatly 600mtrs longer, making more than capable (according to wikipedia) of accomodating a 747-400 at MTOW.
I seem to remember on more than 1 occasion, an Antonov 124 landing at St Mawgan and that never struggled to take off with a belly full.
The runway had to be redesignated to accommodate the new ILS system that was needed to gain a civil licence. The approx 600mtrs hasn't disappeared either. Its still used as a roll on, for runway 30 and a roll off for runway 12. So there is still approximatly 3300mtrs of tarmac to use should there be a need for it, Making it more than capable of handling nearly anything flying today, as i stated several posts ago.
So i'm sure, MR Fogg, that you and your precious DC8-62, would of been able to use St Mawgan's runway if you had had the correct information regarding this airfield at the time.
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RSOL,
The officiallength of St. Mawgan's runway is 9006', this is the usable length available for 'legal' purposes.
Size of the aircraft is irrelevant, I previously worked with the AN124's and it is known that they have a good field performance for their size.
I don't have the performance figures for every type of aircraft, the DC8 was merely an example, I would guess that the 747-400 would be OK but what about 747-200/300? I don't have these figures, perhaps they may be OK but then perhaps not, but there are other 'heavy' aircraft cargo types out there, of lesser performances that more modern aircraft, but St Mawgan's published runway length of 9006' is not capable of handling any aircraft type flying today which is what you stated before, more recently, changing your previous statement to include the word "nearly" which hasn't gone unoticed!
St. Mawgan has perhaps the largest surface area of any runway in the UK today, taking in to consideration it's width, and the chances of anything heavy, on a regular basis, using it are pipe dreams! There's little of a catchment area and with less than ideal road connections from/to the Cornish peninsula particularly during the summers.
And I was working for the NQY airport operator (lease holder) as far back as the days when an HP7 aircraft operated the LHR route.
The officiallength of St. Mawgan's runway is 9006', this is the usable length available for 'legal' purposes.
Size of the aircraft is irrelevant, I previously worked with the AN124's and it is known that they have a good field performance for their size.
I don't have the performance figures for every type of aircraft, the DC8 was merely an example, I would guess that the 747-400 would be OK but what about 747-200/300? I don't have these figures, perhaps they may be OK but then perhaps not, but there are other 'heavy' aircraft cargo types out there, of lesser performances that more modern aircraft, but St Mawgan's published runway length of 9006' is not capable of handling any aircraft type flying today which is what you stated before, more recently, changing your previous statement to include the word "nearly" which hasn't gone unoticed!
St. Mawgan has perhaps the largest surface area of any runway in the UK today, taking in to consideration it's width, and the chances of anything heavy, on a regular basis, using it are pipe dreams! There's little of a catchment area and with less than ideal road connections from/to the Cornish peninsula particularly during the summers.
And I was working for the NQY airport operator (lease holder) as far back as the days when an HP7 aircraft operated the LHR route.
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Can anyone shed any light on what is happening with FR at NQY? Went to book a flight today for October from STN but the Ryanair website is only selling up to 30/09...has it been pulled? And I can't seem to find any confirmation of this on other sites 
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Re: Ryanair at Newquay
Hey
Ryanair are pulling there STN-NQY route from 30 September. From what i gather it is one of the stansted routes being pulled for the winter. Also they are not happy with the Airport Development Fee being increased. NQY-ALC will also cease, however that ends on 30 October.
Ryanair will not have a presence in Newquay going into November
WOWBOY
Ryanair are pulling there STN-NQY route from 30 September. From what i gather it is one of the stansted routes being pulled for the winter. Also they are not happy with the Airport Development Fee being increased. NQY-ALC will also cease, however that ends on 30 October.
Ryanair will not have a presence in Newquay going into November
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Re: Ryanair at Newquay
Thanks for clarifying, WOWBOY.
I was aware that Ryanair have had historical issues with the Airport Management so it comes as no real surprise. Good news for the likes of Flybe and ASW though.
Any news as to whether another carrier is going to fill the gap left by Ryanair leaving?
I was aware that Ryanair have had historical issues with the Airport Management so it comes as no real surprise. Good news for the likes of Flybe and ASW though.
Any news as to whether another carrier is going to fill the gap left by Ryanair leaving?
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Nothing has so far been announced as a replacement for the NQY-STN service by other carriers, however it wouldnt surprise me to see the likes of Air Southwest step up to the make in the long run.
Keep in mind that we arent all that short of the birthday of WOW, perhaps they might take that chance to announce something on fleet and schedules ?
Nothing has so far been announced as a replacement for the NQY-STN service by other carriers, however it wouldnt surprise me to see the likes of Air Southwest step up to the make in the long run.
Keep in mind that we arent all that short of the birthday of WOW, perhaps they might take that chance to announce something on fleet and schedules ?
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Thats exactly what im referring too !
birthday will be on the 26th Oct 09 so i wouldnt put it past them to make a big deal of the birthday and to make the odd announcement
birthday will be on the 26th Oct 09 so i wouldnt put it past them to make a big deal of the birthday and to make the odd announcement
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NQYGuy - I think you are missing a very big trick in your post. It isn't all about convenience of central London - the LCY route offers that and hopefully it will last. BUT.....The withdrawal of FR from STN leaves a vast area with a sizeable population without a link to Cornwall. For much of Essex, Herts, Cambridgeshire, Suffolk and possibly some of Bedfordshire and Norfolk, getting to LGW time-wise to fly to Newquay makes no sense whatsoever, and that is before the cost of trains/driving/parking. LCY is only a suitable option for some of these people who have direct rail links to Stratford, but you are relying heavily on the trains which are very unpredictable in these parts (strikes, constant weekend maintainance).
There is definately a market for an off-peak service to STN from ASW that would cater to leisure travellers in the East prepared to pay that bit more than FR charge for the convenience. Especially as the timings of FR's flights this year have been dreadful - too early most days! Possibly even a once or twice a week service to Norwich would work too. Whether that would happen or not is another matter, but they are feasible. I would also say a single daily LTN flight by BE would also be feasible.
There is definately a market for an off-peak service to STN from ASW that would cater to leisure travellers in the East prepared to pay that bit more than FR charge for the convenience. Especially as the timings of FR's flights this year have been dreadful - too early most days! Possibly even a once or twice a week service to Norwich would work too. Whether that would happen or not is another matter, but they are feasible. I would also say a single daily LTN flight by BE would also be feasible.