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Explain the following
IOM - SOU Eastern operated now Flybe dropped for winter
IOM - LPL Euromanx operated now you reduce services and increase fares
IOM - MAN Euromanx operated same as above
Explain the following
IOM - SOU Eastern operated now Flybe dropped for winter
IOM - LPL Euromanx operated now you reduce services and increase fares
IOM - MAN Euromanx operated same as above
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IOM - SOU was only ever a summer route only or at least it was this year and this was made fairly clear when it was announced. It is NOT Flybe's fault that passengers choose to utilise their service and as such Eastern drop the route. Do you not recognise that this actually indicates a problem with the Eastern package either price structure or service?? Why would people move to Flybe otherwise......
IOM - LPL and IOM - MAN. This is a interesting topic because if it wasn't for Flybe they wouldn't have the link at all. Euromanx were going through very turbulent times even before Flybe started on the LPL route - this has only been reduced down whilst the economy is as it is. There simply is not enough people using the route to allow for a high frequency of flights between the island and the mainland.
IOM - MAN was increased from the original scheduled operated by Euromanx. With winter drawing in schedules will be reduced down - this is quite simply good business understanding and makes sense when fewer people fly. All airlines make these changes and it is because of this that Flybe have been able to succesfully operate for so long.
IOM - LPL and IOM - MAN. This is a interesting topic because if it wasn't for Flybe they wouldn't have the link at all. Euromanx were going through very turbulent times even before Flybe started on the LPL route - this has only been reduced down whilst the economy is as it is. There simply is not enough people using the route to allow for a high frequency of flights between the island and the mainland.
IOM - MAN was increased from the original scheduled operated by Euromanx. With winter drawing in schedules will be reduced down - this is quite simply good business understanding and makes sense when fewer people fly. All airlines make these changes and it is because of this that Flybe have been able to succesfully operate for so long.
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IOM - LPL and IOM - MAN. This is a interesting topic because if it wasn't for Flybe they wouldn't have the link at all.
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Well I am pretty sure Manx2 would not have done it - well they may have but I cannot imagine that the hospital patients would have been able to have travelled. They cannot be that roomy inside the aircraft for a start....
There may well have been other operators interested but not prepared or able to operate without any gap between EMX demise and the start of their operations. Flybe were able to just plod along as normal.
I feel that we are moving off topic now. The point I am trying to make is that it is not Flybe do ultimately make the decision on how successful a route is it is the paying public. Newquay should be grateful for as many operators they can get even if it is for a small period of time as it will raise thier own profile. If people want Flybe to stay around at NQY and keep their routes going then for goodness sake use them.
There may well have been other operators interested but not prepared or able to operate without any gap between EMX demise and the start of their operations. Flybe were able to just plod along as normal.
I feel that we are moving off topic now. The point I am trying to make is that it is not Flybe do ultimately make the decision on how successful a route is it is the paying public. Newquay should be grateful for as many operators they can get even if it is for a small period of time as it will raise thier own profile. If people want Flybe to stay around at NQY and keep their routes going then for goodness sake use them.
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"If people want Flybe to stay around at NQY and keep their routes going then for goodness sake use them."
At the risk of going over old ground, the point is that Flybe will by the end of October have withdrawn everything from Newquay. A couple of summer-only routes finish as planned. One or two other summer-only routes (eg Southampton and Glasgow) either didn't start at all or stopped early. Edinburgh operated summer and winter last year - but has now been stopped for the winter. And Geneva, which was on sale for winter-ski, has been pulled.
This demonstrates the rather fragile nature of routes from Newquay - and contrary to your comment about supporting Flybe, actually the right thing to do is to support those airlines that operate from Newquay year-round - Ryanair, Air Southwest and Skybus. All credit to ASW in particular, who will operate this winter to nine destinations - Gatwick, Manchester, Leeds, Glasgow, Newcastle, Bristol, Cork, Dublin, Grenoble. They can make these routes work on a year-round basis by operating smaller aircraft, and by combining flights with Plymouth. Cornwall should be thankful for Air Southwest's year-round operation - without them Newquay Airport would be pretty quiet in the winter!
"If people want Flybe to stay around at NQY and keep their routes going then for goodness sake use them."
At the risk of going over old ground, the point is that Flybe will by the end of October have withdrawn everything from Newquay. A couple of summer-only routes finish as planned. One or two other summer-only routes (eg Southampton and Glasgow) either didn't start at all or stopped early. Edinburgh operated summer and winter last year - but has now been stopped for the winter. And Geneva, which was on sale for winter-ski, has been pulled.
This demonstrates the rather fragile nature of routes from Newquay - and contrary to your comment about supporting Flybe, actually the right thing to do is to support those airlines that operate from Newquay year-round - Ryanair, Air Southwest and Skybus. All credit to ASW in particular, who will operate this winter to nine destinations - Gatwick, Manchester, Leeds, Glasgow, Newcastle, Bristol, Cork, Dublin, Grenoble. They can make these routes work on a year-round basis by operating smaller aircraft, and by combining flights with Plymouth. Cornwall should be thankful for Air Southwest's year-round operation - without them Newquay Airport would be pretty quiet in the winter!
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L G - Good post and in the difficult times we are going to have ahead its going to be even more important that the likes of ASW are supported. Flymaybe will cut and run when it gets hard , ASW would not.
In the same way of course that we shjould all buy British, support our local village shop etc etc. In the real world of course most of the population will always take the cheapest or most convenient option and that will never change.
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Ive also found this espcially after theyve announced a delay on handover again,
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new terminal on the RAF side has always been planned for as and when the need is there as far as passengers and cargo goes.
the ryanair spanish cuts are only for a few months during late 08 and early 09, the good thing is that they will return, and i wouldnt be too surprised to see the odd extra route from Ryanair at NQY, especially considering the fact that they have a presence at NQY and also considering the fact that they have loads of 738's sitting around/new being delivered and that oil has dropped considerably
just my opinion!
the ryanair spanish cuts are only for a few months during late 08 and early 09, the good thing is that they will return, and i wouldnt be too surprised to see the odd extra route from Ryanair at NQY, especially considering the fact that they have a presence at NQY and also considering the fact that they have loads of 738's sitting around/new being delivered and that oil has dropped considerably
just my opinion!
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What's going on at Newquay Airport? The council have apparently failed to secure ATC services for the handover to the civies on 1/12/08. The airport will therefore close for three weeks unless the RAF decide to extend their ATC services. Hope they don't - on principle.
Why is it ?......Councils + running airports = disaster.
Said it a long time ago the airport should be run and owned by a commercial body not a quango of people with no experience of the business at all.
As to routes being dropped, you haven't seen the last of it.
Have to agree with the last post, for all the WRONG reasons I hope the RAF tell the Council to go forth and the airport is shut down for three weeks .... or will it be four, five,six.....
Its all a showere of s..t that I and my fellow taxpayers are funding and it needs to be exposed as such.
Said it a long time ago the airport should be run and owned by a commercial body not a quango of people with no experience of the business at all.
As to routes being dropped, you haven't seen the last of it.
Have to agree with the last post, for all the WRONG reasons I hope the RAF tell the Council to go forth and the airport is shut down for three weeks .... or will it be four, five,six.....
Its all a showere of s..t that I and my fellow taxpayers are funding and it needs to be exposed as such.
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I would like to know where the council are hoping to get their money to carry out all these so called expansion plans because the SWRDA hae said that they wont be putting money into the airport. I dont believe as Groundhog has said councils and airports go together even more so here.They have already shortened and cut the width of the runway and with the extra cost of employing the RAF to carry on with ATC (if the RAF agree) finances must be stretched to the limit.I thought the council where living in cloud cuckoo land when they went to the MOD asking for more slots which incidently the MOD wouldnt allow and started the demise of RAF St Mawgan and I have seen nothing new to change my mind.I really think Newquay could become a big white elephant and a waste if money if they arent careful.
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Never under estimate the ability of a County Council - particularly Cornwall County Council - to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Presumably if the airfield does indees shut down for three weeks or so, the likes of Ryanair will be predictably unpleasant, and who can blame them?
Listening to a County Councillor today on local radio praise the work of staff I wondered what planet he hailed from. Cornwall County Council has just appointed a new £200K a year Chief Executive, no doubt he'll sort all this out in a day or two! Why is it that I can't get away from a long held idea that a County Council isn't well set up to run anything that has to supposedly make a proftit and is especially poorly equipped to run an airport.
With the rundown of many routes for the winter period, Newquay is going to have its work cut out to accheive its targets over the next two or three years.
Listening to a County Councillor today on local radio praise the work of staff I wondered what planet he hailed from. Cornwall County Council has just appointed a new £200K a year Chief Executive, no doubt he'll sort all this out in a day or two! Why is it that I can't get away from a long held idea that a County Council isn't well set up to run anything that has to supposedly make a proftit and is especially poorly equipped to run an airport.
With the rundown of many routes for the winter period, Newquay is going to have its work cut out to accheive its targets over the next two or three years.
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Newquay to close untill they sort out the ATC problems due to the RAF not agreeing to delay their withdrawall.Serves CCC right.
BBC NEWS | England | Cornwall | Air traffic delay stops flights
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To add my tuppence...
What said it all for me was the interview with the councillor on local BBC last night that CCC believe that this is a world first for a military airfield to become a civilian airport. The words 'Doncaster' and 'Finningley' spring to mind.
Talking about believing your own propaganda. If they get something as fundamentally wrong as that, then there is no chance for Newquay Airport. 'Tis a damn shame, for as a local I really, really want it to succeed. But it won't until they get in somebody who knows how to run an airport to do the job for them.
Incidentally, there was an item on this morning's local BBC that ASW and Skybus have contingency plans. I imagine that for ASW that will mean bussing people to Plymouth (or asking them to travel there themselves if possible), but for Skybus, perhaps operating out of Perranporth?
What said it all for me was the interview with the councillor on local BBC last night that CCC believe that this is a world first for a military airfield to become a civilian airport. The words 'Doncaster' and 'Finningley' spring to mind.
Talking about believing your own propaganda. If they get something as fundamentally wrong as that, then there is no chance for Newquay Airport. 'Tis a damn shame, for as a local I really, really want it to succeed. But it won't until they get in somebody who knows how to run an airport to do the job for them.
Incidentally, there was an item on this morning's local BBC that ASW and Skybus have contingency plans. I imagine that for ASW that will mean bussing people to Plymouth (or asking them to travel there themselves if possible), but for Skybus, perhaps operating out of Perranporth?
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In fairness to Newquay it was going to be first military airfield to attempt to transfer to civillian airport without closing, which was always going to be a difficult. You cannot compare to Doncaster /finningley it closed first. That being said there was a lot of people in the industry who said trying to do it without closing was a too much to take on, especially with a restricted budget.
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