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I have today received an interesting email through my local aviation forum from ASW concerning the goings on with Ryanair and BA at Newquay.It certainly makes interesting reading and is no holds bared.As it is not on their web site I dont know if it is for public release but if you would like to email me I will send you a personal copy. Obviously once it is up for public release I shall post it.It would be very interesting in what everybody thinks about it.
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^^
I also have read an article relating to the BA/ASW/RYR situation, and If it's true the conspiracy theory that was mentioned really puts a new angle to things.
But if M.Naylor has :cough: then it's a shame.
I also have read an article relating to the BA/ASW/RYR situation, and If it's true the conspiracy theory that was mentioned really puts a new angle to things.
But if M.Naylor has :cough: then it's a shame.
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Air Southwest: Cork service
NEW ROUTE:
Newquay to Cork
with Air southwest.
The new flights start on May 4 and tickets go on sale today. They will operate three days a week on Monday, Friday and Sunday throughout May, with a Wednesday flight being introduced from June.
Flights leave Newquay at 11.20am and arrive in Cork at 12.10pm, giving a flight time of less than an hour. Flights leave Cork at 12.55 and arrive in Newquay at 13.45.
Newquay to Cork
with Air southwest.
The new flights start on May 4 and tickets go on sale today. They will operate three days a week on Monday, Friday and Sunday throughout May, with a Wednesday flight being introduced from June.
Flights leave Newquay at 11.20am and arrive in Cork at 12.10pm, giving a flight time of less than an hour. Flights leave Cork at 12.55 and arrive in Newquay at 13.45.
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Wowboy did you find the article quite scathing in its attack on BA/Ryanair and that reading between the lines from what M G was saying that ASW are ready for the fight and are expecting to win it and stay around alot longer.
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The one that i read stated that Malcom Naylor was resigning and leaving the company late May, which they said was the new conspiracy.
Yeah, ASW did seem confident in their approach to BA.
Yeah, ASW did seem confident in their approach to BA.
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Don't waste your time on conspiracy theories, whatever bizarre story M G tries to spin in ABTN!!
BA had a pair of slots going spare due to an under-performing LGW-GLA rotation, and for whatever reason somebody at BA HQ thought a service to NQY would be a bright thing to do. End of story.
BA will lose a pile of money, BA will lose (have lost?) the ASW handling contract at LGW, giving another handling agent their long-awaited chance to get into handling domestics in North Terminal, and BA's name generally mud in the South West having previously dumped their services and now coming back to take on the regional carrier they encouraged to set up in the first place.
So everybody loses apart from (a) ASW who will have a long and successful future at NQY due to their local market loyalty/local marketing presence and rock-bottom cost base and (b) A.N.Other handling agent who gets a foothold in domestic handling in North Terminal.
Well, that's my humble opinion anyway!
BA had a pair of slots going spare due to an under-performing LGW-GLA rotation, and for whatever reason somebody at BA HQ thought a service to NQY would be a bright thing to do. End of story.
BA will lose a pile of money, BA will lose (have lost?) the ASW handling contract at LGW, giving another handling agent their long-awaited chance to get into handling domestics in North Terminal, and BA's name generally mud in the South West having previously dumped their services and now coming back to take on the regional carrier they encouraged to set up in the first place.
So everybody loses apart from (a) ASW who will have a long and successful future at NQY due to their local market loyalty/local marketing presence and rock-bottom cost base and (b) A.N.Other handling agent who gets a foothold in domestic handling in North Terminal.
Well, that's my humble opinion anyway!
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Praise be for an intelligent posting. Ginsberg's conspiracy theories have been around for years and should be treated (like crop circles and Elvis reincarnations) simply as harmless entertainment. The astonishing thing about the BA move into NQY is which bright spark thought of it in the first place, and why on earth did all the accumulated brain-power in Waterside agree to something so obviously 'barking'. If, as you say. BA has lost a lucrative handling contract for the 'benefit' of losing more money and reputation in the South West on a once daily off-peak service, then what is this all about. I guess the answer is simply whimsical management, which, as a BA shareholder, I really do find very scary indeed.
Praise be for an intelligent posting. Ginsberg's conspiracy theories have been around for years and should be treated (like crop circles and Elvis reincarnations) simply as harmless entertainment. The astonishing thing about the BA move into NQY is which bright spark thought of it in the first place, and why on earth did all the accumulated brain-power in Waterside agree to something so obviously 'barking'. If, as you say. BA has lost a lucrative handling contract for the 'benefit' of losing more money and reputation in the South West on a once daily off-peak service, then what is this all about. I guess the answer is simply whimsical management, which, as a BA shareholder, I really do find very scary indeed.
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As part of that local loyal market I would fly with whoever was cheapest or most convenient and I doubt that many down here would do much different. Have to say though that WOW seem to be very good at local marketing whereas BA are invisible in that department.
Newquay to Cork? I am sure someone has done the market research and would prove me wrong but seems a tad brave in my humble opinion.
Good luck anyway to Air Southwest.
Newquay to Cork? I am sure someone has done the market research and would prove me wrong but seems a tad brave in my humble opinion.
Good luck anyway to Air Southwest.
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Aer Arann and Air Wales have operating the Newquay - Cork route in recent history, and before that I'm sure other carriers too.
Must be something about it... Makes you wonder why the others didn't stick at it though...
Aer Arann and Air Wales have operating the Newquay - Cork route in recent history, and before that I'm sure other carriers too.
Must be something about it... Makes you wonder why the others didn't stick at it though...
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Plymouth - Cork operated for many years. I was surprised WOW didn't opt for that, but then again they have opted for DUB service from NQY, rather than PLH. I would have thought EXT-ORK would have been more popular. Good luck to them.
Everyone is assuming that BA were actually making money out of handling ASW's flights at Gatwick. Knowing the costs of the Gatwick operation, it is by no means a foregone conclusion that it was making money - it all depends on how you look at allocating bits of cost to different bits of the network!
I would have thought that BA would also be happy to get ASW off their check-in zones given that they are being "squeezed" on the numbers of desks they have at Gatwick from when Continental move into North Terminal from July.
I would have thought that BA would also be happy to get ASW off their check-in zones given that they are being "squeezed" on the numbers of desks they have at Gatwick from when Continental move into North Terminal from July.
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Charlie Roy - Neither Aer Aerran nor Air Wales actually operated Newquay to Cork although both announced they intended to do so. I am not sure anyone has operated it for a good many years.
I agree with the comment that Exeter to Cork would appear on the face of it to be a better prospect, we can all speculate though and I guess it is the man or woman that has (hopefully) done the market research is the one with the best view!!
I agree with the comment that Exeter to Cork would appear on the face of it to be a better prospect, we can all speculate though and I guess it is the man or woman that has (hopefully) done the market research is the one with the best view!!
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I stand corrected re Aer Arran, thank you.
If it was a 'short term contract' then that would indicate it was not flown at Aer Arrans risk and was in fact a charter. If it was a Summer only schedule then do they intend to repeat it and if not, why not?
If it was a 'short term contract' then that would indicate it was not flown at Aer Arrans risk and was in fact a charter. If it was a Summer only schedule then do they intend to repeat it and if not, why not?
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And I stand corrected ref Contracts and Schedules!!
It was a summer schedule, and as for this year, I don't know at present. With ASWs announcement, I'm not sure that the route could provide enough business for both carriers.
And I stand corrected ref Contracts and Schedules!!
It was a summer schedule, and as for this year, I don't know at present. With ASWs announcement, I'm not sure that the route could provide enough business for both carriers.
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Interesting to see Greenpeace are calling for a boycott of BA's new flight to NQY. I guess it's a fairly obvious target for the green lobby - using a 737 on a short-hop like LGW-NQY just can't make sense. Presumably a 737 is only efficient when it's in the cruise.... and it ain't ever going to get in the cruise on such a short flight. A good opportunity for ASW to work their PR machine on the environmental benefits of operating regional aircraft on regional routes.
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So are we saying its ok for Air Berlin to fly 737s the 150 odd milles from STN/MAN...Ryanair the 195 miles fm STN/BLK , Easyjet the 248 miles from NCL/STN OR THE 107 MILES FROM BFS/GLA , BMI BABY the 240 miles from EMA/GLA but its not ok for BA to Fly the 226 miles from LGW/NQY ?
Many of these LOCO routes also offer low fares to create artificial demand....e.g FR offering 1p fares on BLK/STN !
Many of these LOCO routes also offer low fares to create artificial demand....e.g FR offering 1p fares on BLK/STN !