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yes you are correct.
SOU never got off the ground in the first place.
rumour has it that IOM, JER and GLA are all being dropped by flybe
i was referring to your comments about GLA going x2 daily. dont think that the current WOW fleet could manage to pick that up, not sure that there is the slack in the current available fleet for it
SOU never got off the ground in the first place.
rumour has it that IOM, JER and GLA are all being dropped by flybe
i was referring to your comments about GLA going x2 daily. dont think that the current WOW fleet could manage to pick that up, not sure that there is the slack in the current available fleet for it
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Groundhog/cornishsimon - can you point me to the confirmation that both routes are cancelled? Until then who knows what is happening. I'll post the same response here as I made on another thread....
Has everyone missed the fact that oil is now at $140 a barrell?
That BA have advised that they will struggle to make a profit next year and that FR, one of the worlds most protfitable carriers has advised that it will only break even if oil remains at $130 a barrell.
C'mon guys, if you're not gonna get the passengers on the seats then running an airline makes for a very expensive hobby! Flybe cancelling some of their flights is not the end of the world, it seems to be some midweek flights and makes for entirely sound business sense. We are talking about an airline that operates nearly 500 flights a day.....its not like half their schedule is gone!
Has everyone missed the fact that oil is now at $140 a barrell?
That BA have advised that they will struggle to make a profit next year and that FR, one of the worlds most protfitable carriers has advised that it will only break even if oil remains at $130 a barrell.
C'mon guys, if you're not gonna get the passengers on the seats then running an airline makes for a very expensive hobby! Flybe cancelling some of their flights is not the end of the world, it seems to be some midweek flights and makes for entirely sound business sense. We are talking about an airline that operates nearly 500 flights a day.....its not like half their schedule is gone!
JobsaGoodun,
Well said - reading these comments you could believe that some posters just don't understand the realities of business!! I'm not in aviation myself but it doesn't take a genius to understand that marginal routes (in terms of yield not load factor) will have to go, if airlines are going to survive.
I've given up using the car for frivalous trips down the road to the shops - to cust my costs. Airlines will do the same with their aircraft.
Well said - reading these comments you could believe that some posters just don't understand the realities of business!! I'm not in aviation myself but it doesn't take a genius to understand that marginal routes (in terms of yield not load factor) will have to go, if airlines are going to survive.
I've given up using the car for frivalous trips down the road to the shops - to cust my costs. Airlines will do the same with their aircraft.
JobsaGoodun - at what point did I say anything about Flybe cancelling flights, my comment was in reaction to Rubber Duck and a rheotorical question...
AtNotts - If your comment re some posters refers to me you are right I have no business economics knowledge.After all over the last fourty years I only created one multi million pound business, around 500 jobs and was managing director of one airline and commercial director of two others i I bow to your better judgement.
That said the POINT you make is quite correct and when I was running the airline boy did I get p+ssed off about the stupid remarks SOME people make on these forums. They really can be very damaging.
AtNotts - If your comment re some posters refers to me you are right I have no business economics knowledge.After all over the last fourty years I only created one multi million pound business, around 500 jobs and was managing director of one airline and commercial director of two others i I bow to your better judgement.
That said the POINT you make is quite correct and when I was running the airline boy did I get p+ssed off about the stupid remarks SOME people make on these forums. They really can be very damaging.
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my comment about muppets referrs to advertising, which is something i know a lot about from a previous job, details of which are not important!
if a route is no longer running, why advertise it ? IF.............
JER is still in the booking engine but no flights are bookable after today's flight
GLA is still in the booking engine but most dates are showing no flights, remember it wasnt daily anyway, but only 1-2 flights per week if that now bookable
IOM is still bookable, one flight per week as per original schedule.
its not only advertising on local radio for the JER route which hasnt been cancelled, its also local press advertising, which still ran for 2 weeks after the SOU route vanished from the booking engine.
in no way was i knocking airlines or anyone else pulling routes/products that arent breaking even/making money. even given the current economic climate i would like to see expansion at NQY, but that im guessing is just because i live here.
my comment about muppets referrs to advertising, which is something i know a lot about from a previous job, details of which are not important!
if a route is no longer running, why advertise it ? IF.............
JER is still in the booking engine but no flights are bookable after today's flight
GLA is still in the booking engine but most dates are showing no flights, remember it wasnt daily anyway, but only 1-2 flights per week if that now bookable
IOM is still bookable, one flight per week as per original schedule.
its not only advertising on local radio for the JER route which hasnt been cancelled, its also local press advertising, which still ran for 2 weeks after the SOU route vanished from the booking engine.
in no way was i knocking airlines or anyone else pulling routes/products that arent breaking even/making money. even given the current economic climate i would like to see expansion at NQY, but that im guessing is just because i live here.
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cornishsimon - yeah there's enough slack - with the current schedules we have 4 flying daily -all day and one spare/on check. The 5th does the extra LGW service on MON and FRI.
Ok it's not a big deal to most that Flybe's schedules have been 'reduced'. It'll free up some ramp space!
To those that bang on about stupid comments - thought that's what pprune was all about!! lol
Ok it's not a big deal to most that Flybe's schedules have been 'reduced'. It'll free up some ramp space!
To those that bang on about stupid comments - thought that's what pprune was all about!! lol
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Cornishsimon - surely given your previous experience you'll be aware that it is not so easy to just cancel an advertisment. Contract have been signed and the radio station/newspaper will need ot find something to replace the add with which may not be so easy at short notice.
The fact remains that Flybe is still operating out of NQY on all but the SOU routes when the add was made. That may change going forward, and frequencies may alter but the advertising stands correct.
The fact remains that Flybe is still operating out of NQY on all but the SOU routes when the add was made. That may change going forward, and frequencies may alter but the advertising stands correct.
Groundhog,
No, my remarks were not aimed at anyone in particular - I agree wholeheartedly with your point.
The point I was making was the general one to which you agreed in your last paragraph. Read any topin within the Airlines, Airports and Routes section and you will read the same sorts of stuff.
It's funny how airlines, in common with football clubs seem to attract the same sort of, often, totally ill-informed comment.
No, my remarks were not aimed at anyone in particular - I agree wholeheartedly with your point.
The point I was making was the general one to which you agreed in your last paragraph. Read any topin within the Airlines, Airports and Routes section and you will read the same sorts of stuff.
It's funny how airlines, in common with football clubs seem to attract the same sort of, often, totally ill-informed comment.
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as iv said repeatedly, everything from me is my opinion!
advertising however is able to be pulled at very short notice, a little more notice is required for press advertising in weeklies as these tend to be partly printed further in advance, however i would say that these adverts would of been booked by an advertising agency, and the more people in the loop the more chances of a break down in communications.
If WOW really do have slack in the current schedule without increasing the fleet size i would love to see them further expand. Is it just the GLA daily which is taking good loads or are other WOW services doing well ?
cornishsimon - yeah there's enough slack - with the current schedules we have 4 flying daily -all day and one spare/on check. The 5th does the extra LGW service on MON and FRI.
Ok it's not a big deal to most that Flybe's schedules have been 'reduced'. It'll free up some ramp space!
To those that bang on about stupid comments - thought that's what pprune was all about!! lol
Ok it's not a big deal to most that Flybe's schedules have been 'reduced'. It'll free up some ramp space!
To those that bang on about stupid comments - thought that's what pprune was all about!! lol
advertising however is able to be pulled at very short notice, a little more notice is required for press advertising in weeklies as these tend to be partly printed further in advance, however i would say that these adverts would of been booked by an advertising agency, and the more people in the loop the more chances of a break down in communications.
If WOW really do have slack in the current schedule without increasing the fleet size i would love to see them further expand. Is it just the GLA daily which is taking good loads or are other WOW services doing well ?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7453928.stm
Flybe drop NQY-GLA from the start of Aug08
reason for this being high fuel costs
Flybe drop NQY-GLA from the start of Aug08
reason for this being high fuel costs
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Going back to the comments about Flybe dropping their NQY-GLA, whilst ASW are sticking with it.
Makes sense really. Flybe were trying to fill a 78-seat plane on this pretty thin route. On the other hand, ASW only have 50 seats to fill, and share the route between Plymouth and Newquay so in effect only have 25 seats to fill ex-Newquay. Presumably that means ASW can make this route work on a year-round daily basis where a bigger plane just doesn't make sense.
I can't help thinking that there are a lot of domestic routes where 78-seat, or 130+ seat aircraft don't work any more when the fuel price is where it is.
I wonder if Ryanair's NQY-STN route is one which is up for the chop? And how the heck to BA justify flying a big jet down to little old Newquay??
Makes sense really. Flybe were trying to fill a 78-seat plane on this pretty thin route. On the other hand, ASW only have 50 seats to fill, and share the route between Plymouth and Newquay so in effect only have 25 seats to fill ex-Newquay. Presumably that means ASW can make this route work on a year-round daily basis where a bigger plane just doesn't make sense.
I can't help thinking that there are a lot of domestic routes where 78-seat, or 130+ seat aircraft don't work any more when the fuel price is where it is.
I wonder if Ryanair's NQY-STN route is one which is up for the chop? And how the heck to BA justify flying a big jet down to little old Newquay??
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Looks like the DUS flights are up-and-running as they're now appearing on all the so-called 'Live Flight Information' on the NQY website. 
Welcome Lufthansa and all you bring to Cornwall.
Welcome Lufthansa and all you bring to Cornwall.