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Isn't it the height of the A318s tail which causes the problems rather than length?
SAS are currently operating the Q400 into LCY without problems. I have not known them have to reposition onto stand because they cocked up the parking (which is more than can be said for some F50 pilots).
What happened to the E170?
It came a long time ago, did its thing and was never heard of again.
SAS are currently operating the Q400 into LCY without problems. I have not known them have to reposition onto stand because they cocked up the parking (which is more than can be said for some F50 pilots).
What happened to the E170?
It came a long time ago, did its thing and was never heard of again.
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Another airport for sale
According to the FT Irish financier Dermot Desmond will this week put London City Airport on the market.
The paper reports that US investment bank Morgan Stanley has been instructed to sound out potential buyers, after Desmond received a number of unsolicited approaches for the airport.
The move comes at a time when interest in UK airports is high, following last week’s acceptance by BAA of a takeover bid from a consortium led by Spanish construction group Ferrovial. The bid valued BAA’s equity at £10.11bn and gave it an enterprise value of £16.4bn or about 15-16 times earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation. On that basis, the FT said, London City could attract an enterprise value of as much as £500m, in a probable auction before the end of September.
Morgan Stanley is expected to send out a teaser document this week, with prospective bidders likely to include both trade buyers and infrastructure funds.
The FT put forward German construction group Hochtief, which owns stakes in Sydney, Athens, Hamburg and Dusseldorf airports, and Frankfurt Airport operator Fraport as potential trade buyers. It also suggested Australian bank Macquarie, which advised Ferrovial on the BAA deal and already has a number of UK airport interests, and Spanish construction group Abertis, which beat Ferrovial to the acquisition of London Luton Airport in 2004.
Infrastructure fund interest is expected to come from Australian and Canadian pension fund managers, the paper added, which were involved in both the Ferrovial and Goldman Sachs consortia that bid for BAA, together with government private equity funds from Singapore and the Middle East.
Desmond acquired London City from construction group Mowlem for £23.5m in 1995. Since then, passenger traffic at the airport has jumped from 556k to 2m last year, while the number of aircraft movements has increased from 18,434 to 70,912.
The paper reports that US investment bank Morgan Stanley has been instructed to sound out potential buyers, after Desmond received a number of unsolicited approaches for the airport.
The move comes at a time when interest in UK airports is high, following last week’s acceptance by BAA of a takeover bid from a consortium led by Spanish construction group Ferrovial. The bid valued BAA’s equity at £10.11bn and gave it an enterprise value of £16.4bn or about 15-16 times earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation. On that basis, the FT said, London City could attract an enterprise value of as much as £500m, in a probable auction before the end of September.
Morgan Stanley is expected to send out a teaser document this week, with prospective bidders likely to include both trade buyers and infrastructure funds.
The FT put forward German construction group Hochtief, which owns stakes in Sydney, Athens, Hamburg and Dusseldorf airports, and Frankfurt Airport operator Fraport as potential trade buyers. It also suggested Australian bank Macquarie, which advised Ferrovial on the BAA deal and already has a number of UK airport interests, and Spanish construction group Abertis, which beat Ferrovial to the acquisition of London Luton Airport in 2004.
Infrastructure fund interest is expected to come from Australian and Canadian pension fund managers, the paper added, which were involved in both the Ferrovial and Goldman Sachs consortia that bid for BAA, together with government private equity funds from Singapore and the Middle East.
Desmond acquired London City from construction group Mowlem for £23.5m in 1995. Since then, passenger traffic at the airport has jumped from 556k to 2m last year, while the number of aircraft movements has increased from 18,434 to 70,912.
Nice little airshow this afternoon, well done to all who organised it (which may include some of the regulars here). We just walked down from the house to the north side of the dock and from 14.30 to 16.30 were well entertained, especially by the last act. What does he fly ?
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similarly thought it was well done. I know we were "wrong side" of the crowd line but it was cool to see those rocketing straight down towards us.
Who was that in the helicopter, normally they leave me cold but it was a very entertaining and skilful display.
Nice to see a Spit back in the skies which over 60 years ago they defended. One afternoon a few years ago I found a machine gun bullet when digging in our back garden, which possibly was from a Spit long ago and far away.
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similarly thought it was well done. I know we were "wrong side" of the crowd line but it was cool to see those rocketing straight down towards us.Who was that in the helicopter, normally they leave me cold but it was a very entertaining and skilful display.
Nice to see a Spit back in the skies which over 60 years ago they defended. One afternoon a few years ago I found a machine gun bullet when digging in our back garden, which possibly was from a Spit long ago and far away.
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It was Will Curtis in, I think, a Sukhoi 26 at the end and the amazing (he's 73 according to the commentary from Brendan "I'm a pilot" O'Brien) Denis Kenyon in his Schweizer helicopter.
A thoroughly enjoyable afternoon.
A thoroughly enjoyable afternoon.
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yep quite a day and great weather too. Dont know of any other airport in the world that does that kind of thing. Does anyon else? Hope if the airport is sold that the new owners dont stop the fun day from happening a great day for us locals! (pity about the football but that's another story!)
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I see Luxair have ordered a trio of DHC8Q-400's to replace the ERJ135's for delivery next Year. Looks like the only Embraer products that LCY will get will then be the corparate Legacy model
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The only Legacy I've ever seen in LCY was when Embraer were doing the certification a while ago. Has one ever operated in since then ?
Interesting that Luxair, who presumably acquired their Embraer 135s just for LCY, have found that jets are too expensive to operate and have decided to go back to props on one of the few LCY routes where there are competitive operators and where the jet should have given a commercial advantage. Anyone able to comment how Luxair and VLM shape up to each other on the route ?
Turnipgreen I have been meaning to ask, WHAT happened with the football at the fun day ? LCY defeated by Stansted 8-0 ? Someone booted the ball into the dock ?
Interesting that Luxair, who presumably acquired their Embraer 135s just for LCY, have found that jets are too expensive to operate and have decided to go back to props on one of the few LCY routes where there are competitive operators and where the jet should have given a commercial advantage. Anyone able to comment how Luxair and VLM shape up to each other on the route ?
Turnipgreen I have been meaning to ask, WHAT happened with the football at the fun day ? LCY defeated by Stansted 8-0 ? Someone booted the ball into the dock ?
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Hi all,
I don't understand the issues at LCY.
The way I see it at the moment is that a limited number of aircraft types can operate into LCY due to the approach into the airport?
Also I believe there is an issue with aircraft parking?
Can someone please explain it to me?
Regards.
I don't understand the issues at LCY.
The way I see it at the moment is that a limited number of aircraft types can operate into LCY due to the approach into the airport?
Also I believe there is an issue with aircraft parking?
Can someone please explain it to me?
Regards.
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This page on LCY operations from the airport's consultative committee may help bring your understanding up to the ambient level.
This page on LCY operations from the airport's consultative committee may help bring your understanding up to the ambient level.
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VLM Airlines will up their AMS schedule to from six to nine week-daily rotations with effect Sept. 4. Quite a success given that they only started the route in 17 months ago with three daily flights and compete head-on with KLM. The additional flights from LCY will operate at 0850, 1615 and 1935.
However, LPL now seems to be down to four daily flights. I think at one point it had six daily flights.
However, LPL now seems to be down to four daily flights. I think at one point it had six daily flights.
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Originally Posted by WHBM
The only Legacy I've ever seen in LCY was when Embraer were doing the certification a while ago. Has one ever operated in since then ?
Interesting that Luxair, who presumably acquired their Embraer 135s just for LCY, have found that jets are too expensive to operate and have decided to go back to props on one of the few LCY routes where there are competitive operators and where the jet should have given a commercial advantage. Anyone able to comment how Luxair and VLM shape up to each other on the route ?
Turnipgreen I have been meaning to ask, WHAT happened with the football at the fun day ? LCY defeated by Stansted 8-0 ? Someone booted the ball into the dock ?
Interesting that Luxair, who presumably acquired their Embraer 135s just for LCY, have found that jets are too expensive to operate and have decided to go back to props on one of the few LCY routes where there are competitive operators and where the jet should have given a commercial advantage. Anyone able to comment how Luxair and VLM shape up to each other on the route ?
Turnipgreen I have been meaning to ask, WHAT happened with the football at the fun day ? LCY defeated by Stansted 8-0 ? Someone booted the ball into the dock ?
New BA Connect LCY-MAD service:
BA Connect will be jetting to Madrid twice a day this winter as the airline continues to expand its route network at London City Airport.
The newest British Airways services to the Spanish capital commence on October 29, and will depart London City at 9.15am and 6.55pm, Monday to Friday, with the evening service also operating on Sundays.
The route complements British Airways’ existing three daily flights to Madrid from Gatwick and five from Heathrow, and is the second European route the airline has launched from London City Airport this year – the other being a daily service to Milan.
The airline’s managing director, David Evans, said: “Madrid is one of Europe’s top five business destinations. There has been strong customer demand for a direct air service from London City Airport, particularly from the financial sector, and once again we find ourselves in a position to be able to respond positively. From October 29, we will offer a fully comprehensive schedule from London City to the vibrant Spanish capital giving more choice to British Airways customers in the South East.
“Today’s announcement is made on the back of our first quarter results, which reflect a pleasing volume growth of 20 per cent on our operation at London City, and puts us on target to carry around 350,000 customers through the airport this year – an increase of 16 per cent.”
Richard Gooding, managing director of London City Airport, is confident the extension to British Airways’ network will prove very popular: "British Airways has a loyal customer base amongst the business community, who will be pleased to learn about the London City - Madrid service. Madrid is a destination we have wanted to see included in our network for a long time. The new British Airways service provides that much needed convenient link to the financial and commercial centre of Spain, which also provides a European base for South American finance."
August 1, 2006
BA Connect, a wholly owned British Airways subsidiary, was launched in March this year operating domestic and European services from l4 UK airports, and has already carried more than one million passengers.
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The newest British Airways services to the Spanish capital commence on October 29, and will depart London City at 9.15am and 6.55pm, Monday to Friday, with the evening service also operating on Sundays.
The route complements British Airways’ existing three daily flights to Madrid from Gatwick and five from Heathrow, and is the second European route the airline has launched from London City Airport this year – the other being a daily service to Milan.
The airline’s managing director, David Evans, said: “Madrid is one of Europe’s top five business destinations. There has been strong customer demand for a direct air service from London City Airport, particularly from the financial sector, and once again we find ourselves in a position to be able to respond positively. From October 29, we will offer a fully comprehensive schedule from London City to the vibrant Spanish capital giving more choice to British Airways customers in the South East.
“Today’s announcement is made on the back of our first quarter results, which reflect a pleasing volume growth of 20 per cent on our operation at London City, and puts us on target to carry around 350,000 customers through the airport this year – an increase of 16 per cent.”
Richard Gooding, managing director of London City Airport, is confident the extension to British Airways’ network will prove very popular: "British Airways has a loyal customer base amongst the business community, who will be pleased to learn about the London City - Madrid service. Madrid is a destination we have wanted to see included in our network for a long time. The new British Airways service provides that much needed convenient link to the financial and commercial centre of Spain, which also provides a European base for South American finance."
August 1, 2006
BA Connect, a wholly owned British Airways subsidiary, was launched in March this year operating domestic and European services from l4 UK airports, and has already carried more than one million passengers.
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However, LPL now seems to be down to four daily flights. I think at one point it had six daily flights.
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Hi guys, I have a couple of wannabee questions re: LCY and RJ/146.
I'm nearing the end of my training, just ME/IR conversion and MCC left to do. Do any airlines base crew at LCY? My 'ideal' job would be flying the RJ/146, do you think this unreachable or unrealistic for a retired FI with about 800 hours piston time?
Thanks
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I'm nearing the end of my training, just ME/IR conversion and MCC left to do. Do any airlines base crew at LCY? My 'ideal' job would be flying the RJ/146, do you think this unreachable or unrealistic for a retired FI with about 800 hours piston time?
Thanks
SD
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How has the once-daily Milan service doing so far ? I am surprised that BA sees sufficient demand for mid-day once-daily flights that should have little appeal to the typical LCY clientele.
By the way, featured in the route survey section on LCY's website currently are Rome and Vienna - sign of things to come (as usual) ?
By the way, featured in the route survey section on LCY's website currently are Rome and Vienna - sign of things to come (as usual) ?
LUXury is a 13,000 ft runway
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Originally Posted by WHBM
Interesting that Luxair, who presumably acquired their Embraer 135s just for LCY, have found that jets are too expensive to operate and have decided to go back to props on one of the few LCY routes where there are competitive operators and where the jet should have given a commercial advantage. Anyone able to comment how Luxair and VLM shape up to each other on the route ?
In fact, and despite of what I just wrote, LCY is already one of the (few) profitable routes in the Luxair network, together with places such as CDG, LHR, MUC, FRA. Luxair at the moment only has 737s, 135s and 145s available, demand exceeds seats on jungle jets, a 737 is usually WAY to big - we'll have a few Q400s please, thank you very much, get rid of some jungle jets (all 135s and some 145s), and use the remaining 737s for holiday flights. Er, our marketing blurb about us having an all-jet fleet? S
d that, we'd rather save the airline.Good Luck.
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How has the once-daily Milan service doing so far ? I am surprised that BA sees sufficient demand for mid-day once-daily flights that should have little appeal to the typical LCY clientele.
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Sorry bit of thread drift, but what will Luxair do about the Man/Dub route, will they keep running it on a 145? A Q400 would seem too big for that?
Sorry bit of thread drift, but what will Luxair do about the Man/Dub route, will they keep running it on a 145? A Q400 would seem too big for that?
Originally Posted by virginblue
very good timings for business travellers from Spain.
This is a significant LCY problem, it afflicts other destinations like Dublin as well and is why I, within close striking distance of the airport, am often forced up to Stansted
just to get a reasonable business day out of the first day of a trip away.