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Ref The A318 and LCY. I suspect that this is a make or break move for the 318 which hasn't exactly lit up the world sales wise so far. I expect to see it being marketed as a quadrapuff replacement by the summer if it isn't already.
Certainly the programme is gone well Airbus expect certification for steep approaches in the babybus 'within the next few days' and will then move on to LCY specific certification. The 318 has had a series of changes to the FBW architecture to enable approaches up to 7.5 deg (or 2 deg more than LCY) and it works pretty well. I can't imagine they will have any problems with the LCY approval.
From a handling point of view the changes to the FBW architecture mean that there are just a few changes from the normal approach - just a more aggressive flare slightly higher (55ft AGL) which is combined with a simultaneous power to idle move - thanks to the config on final the engines are pretty spooled up on 5.5 deg approach (bout 50% N1).
BTW If you happen to be in Toulouse have a look at rwy 14R/32L you'll notice some blue runway like markings to the left side threshold, touchdown zone... that kind of caper... these correspond to LCY's runway.
BTW the only LCY -able jungle jets are the 135 and the 170- the 175 is a stretch of the 170 for those who don't need LCY, Lugano and Florence capability...
Certainly the programme is gone well Airbus expect certification for steep approaches in the babybus 'within the next few days' and will then move on to LCY specific certification. The 318 has had a series of changes to the FBW architecture to enable approaches up to 7.5 deg (or 2 deg more than LCY) and it works pretty well. I can't imagine they will have any problems with the LCY approval.
From a handling point of view the changes to the FBW architecture mean that there are just a few changes from the normal approach - just a more aggressive flare slightly higher (55ft AGL) which is combined with a simultaneous power to idle move - thanks to the config on final the engines are pretty spooled up on 5.5 deg approach (bout 50% N1).
BTW If you happen to be in Toulouse have a look at rwy 14R/32L you'll notice some blue runway like markings to the left side threshold, touchdown zone... that kind of caper... these correspond to LCY's runway.
BTW the only LCY -able jungle jets are the 135 and the 170- the 175 is a stretch of the 170 for those who don't need LCY, Lugano and Florence capability...
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"Aircraft may be seeing more of Souffend from 4000ft in the future......"
Well I hope you mean from aircraft flying into and out of Southend Airport.
I'm sure the residents of Southend and Southend Airport would not be overjoyed to see and hear a permanent holding pattern for London City established over their heads. Of course there will be a formal consulation from NATS, wont there...
Don't want a repeat of the Suffolk saga now, do we?
Question is, who to send the nuisance complaints to, London City, NATS, Alistair Darling or all three?
Well I hope you mean from aircraft flying into and out of Southend Airport.
I'm sure the residents of Southend and Southend Airport would not be overjoyed to see and hear a permanent holding pattern for London City established over their heads. Of course there will be a formal consulation from NATS, wont there...
Don't want a repeat of the Suffolk saga now, do we?Question is, who to send the nuisance complaints to, London City, NATS, Alistair Darling or all three?
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There already IS a holding facility over Souffend mate - so why would consultation be needed!!?
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Minimum Altitude 5000ft, not 4000ft.
The EGLC STARs currently all end at ALKIN. Any move to end all the STARs at SPEAR instead of ALKIN I would also call a material change. Mate.
The EGLC STARs currently all end at ALKIN. Any move to end all the STARs at SPEAR instead of ALKIN I would also call a material change. Mate.
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Which is why YESTERDAY I was holding at 5000ft, 6000ft and the STAR still finishes at ALKIN. It is called an en-route hold. Just about ALL final holds have en-route holds.
They were descended to 4000ft as they left the en-route holding fix (all arrivals into ALKIN have to be desending to 4000ft over spear because of the Stansted Dover departure routeing to the West of SPEAR at 5000ft)
Simple. MATE.
They were descended to 4000ft as they left the en-route holding fix (all arrivals into ALKIN have to be desending to 4000ft over spear because of the Stansted Dover departure routeing to the West of SPEAR at 5000ft)
Simple. MATE.
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Originally Posted by AlanM
Blimey - that will fill the jet centre up!
City asked for one bizjet to be sent around yesterday as the business centre was full of aircraft!!
City asked for one bizjet to be sent around yesterday as the business centre was full of aircraft!!
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http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/p...s/32LC0702.PDF
SANDY is often used - 8d from LYD as shown above
SANDY is often used - 8d from LYD as shown above
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There are moves afoot to bring in two holds for LCY a bit further out - I won't say where so I avoid upsetting Souffend boy!
ALKIN is an inspired location for a hold - 3000ft blocks LCY inbounds and departures, and would force all Biggin traffic to be outside CAS!!
Genius!
ALKIN is an inspired location for a hold - 3000ft blocks LCY inbounds and departures, and would force all Biggin traffic to be outside CAS!!
Genius!
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To be fair, the airspace was designed when there were 2 Dash 7s a day there (and they usually had an airmiss around OCK!).
Things have certainly changed at LCY since then - with around 6400 movements in Feb, it is busier than a lot of other H24 airports!
I have formed an escape committee now Mike - the next time you visit you may see me shuffling around dropping earth out of my trouser legs as the tunnelling is well underway!!!
Things have certainly changed at LCY since then - with around 6400 movements in Feb, it is busier than a lot of other H24 airports!
I have formed an escape committee now Mike - the next time you visit you may see me shuffling around dropping earth out of my trouser legs as the tunnelling is well underway!!!
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Obviously this has gone completely unnoticed so far (have not seen a LCY press release nor has it been added to the timetable), but Lufthansa are adding Stuttgart to their route map next Monday. Daily flight operated by Contactair on an ATR42/500. Not sure if it will work as it is a noon/time, once daily service.
Anyway, third destination by Lufthansa after FRA and DUS (if one does not count the Cirrus service to MUC). Quite surprising to see that they are now trying STR given that they have pulled the plug on MUC, BER, HAM in the past.
X6 LH 2724 AT5
Stuttgart-Echterdingen (STR) 12:50 - 14:10 London City Apt (LCY)
X6 LH 2725 AT5
London City Apt (LCY) 14:40 - 17:45 Stuttgart-Echterdingen (STR)
Anyway, third destination by Lufthansa after FRA and DUS (if one does not count the Cirrus service to MUC). Quite surprising to see that they are now trying STR given that they have pulled the plug on MUC, BER, HAM in the past.
X6 LH 2724 AT5
Stuttgart-Echterdingen (STR) 12:50 - 14:10 London City Apt (LCY)
X6 LH 2725 AT5
London City Apt (LCY) 14:40 - 17:45 Stuttgart-Echterdingen (STR)
There's a post elsewhere on PPRuNe http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=221053 which describes how Chicago Midway is installing crushable concrete overrun areas, principally after the Southwest 737 overrun a few months ago.
If I recall correctly this is exactly the system which was installed at LCY for some years but was recently all dug up at some expense and replaced by conventional surfacing. Any of those "in the know" aware what the justifications at LCY were for removing it ? LCY is a lot tighter than Midway is.
If I recall correctly this is exactly the system which was installed at LCY for some years but was recently all dug up at some expense and replaced by conventional surfacing. Any of those "in the know" aware what the justifications at LCY were for removing it ? LCY is a lot tighter than Midway is.
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Can anyone tell me the real reason why VLM have chosen to cut their contract with KGS and use Menzies as their ground service provider??
Virgin Blue: The STR flight is a bit of a weird one but from experience it seems to be quite a popular destination. Dont know if it may have something to do with the forthcoming world cup.
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Virgin Blue: The STR flight is a bit of a weird one but from experience it seems to be quite a popular destination. Dont know if it may have something to do with the forthcoming world cup.
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From 15th May, it appears (From the VLM website) that the Luxembourg-LCY flights are to be upgraded to a BAe146/RJ70. Presumably, LuxAirs Jets are beating the Fokker's on the route?
I'm not sure if VLM will operate the 146's themselves or they will be leased. I think RJ70's have been mentioned so presumably either the ex Euromanx examples or the ex Baltic ones currently stored at Kemble
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I'm not sure if VLM will operate the 146's themselves or they will be leased. I think RJ70's have been mentioned so presumably either the ex Euromanx examples or the ex Baltic ones currently stored at Kemble
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We discussed this VLM Avro RJ70 saga here a month ago
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...8&postcount=65
The story was picked up by www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl back then and a VLM spokespoerson cared to explain it is all a "misunderstanding" and that there a no plans to operate jets. However, as you quite correctly noted, the ARJ is still in the CRS.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...8&postcount=65
The story was picked up by www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl back then and a VLM spokespoerson cared to explain it is all a "misunderstanding" and that there a no plans to operate jets. However, as you quite correctly noted, the ARJ is still in the CRS.
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Yep I did ! - My bedroom faces towards airport runway so got a tad of a fright when I saw (and heard) A318 turning so low from my bed - at one stage we thought it might have been A380 with all the noise it was making 
