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Errr....I've been away for a day or two, reference the above did I miss something??
Anyway, WOW are basing an a/c here apparently. Anybody know if it's night-stopping? Stand 6 is closing as of January 1st and I'm still worried about the shortage of parking stands!
Anyway, WOW are basing an a/c here apparently. Anybody know if it's night-stopping? Stand 6 is closing as of January 1st and I'm still worried about the shortage of parking stands!
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On going development didnt no there was any didnt see any builders about lol, Was the BY 767 flight to YUL that was operated this week a one off or regular winter route, and when will BY fly to Barbados this winter round xmas time? Any plans for BY to use the 767 for winter ski flights?
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A couple of questions that staff at BRS might be able to answer.
First, why was there no CO flight yesterday (Saturday)? Furthermore, according to the winter timetable, Tuesdays and Thursdays are the days not flown, yet both Mayfly and the CO booking website are showing a flight this coming Thursday. All seems a bit confusing.
Second, are there problems with Servisair at BRS?
My wife and I returned from PMI on Friday on board a Thomsonfly B 757 that landed at 1314 hours and it took fifteen minutes from the time we parked to get a set of steps to allow us to exit. The cabin manager was not a happy man and eventually the captain appeared from the flight deck looking equally unamused.
There was then what I can only describe as a leisurely unloading of hold baggage to the extent that the first bags did not appear on the carousel until 1401 and then came along in fits and starts thereafter. The aircraft was nowhere near full either. My second suitcase did not appear until 1415 and I was by no means the last person waiting at the carousel. This meant that it had taken fifty-six minutes from the time we parked on stand for both my suitcases to arrive.
The airport did not appear especially busy at the time and when I enquired the reason for the delay at the Servisair enquiry desk in Arrivals I received a very dismissive reply from the representative who said, “The chocks went on at 1319 after which the aircraft is available to be unloaded. These things happen sometimes.” Not a very helpful reply, and not something that reflects well on either Servisair or the airport.
I wonder whether staffing levels have been reduced too much this winter.
First, why was there no CO flight yesterday (Saturday)? Furthermore, according to the winter timetable, Tuesdays and Thursdays are the days not flown, yet both Mayfly and the CO booking website are showing a flight this coming Thursday. All seems a bit confusing.
Second, are there problems with Servisair at BRS?
My wife and I returned from PMI on Friday on board a Thomsonfly B 757 that landed at 1314 hours and it took fifteen minutes from the time we parked to get a set of steps to allow us to exit. The cabin manager was not a happy man and eventually the captain appeared from the flight deck looking equally unamused.
There was then what I can only describe as a leisurely unloading of hold baggage to the extent that the first bags did not appear on the carousel until 1401 and then came along in fits and starts thereafter. The aircraft was nowhere near full either. My second suitcase did not appear until 1415 and I was by no means the last person waiting at the carousel. This meant that it had taken fifty-six minutes from the time we parked on stand for both my suitcases to arrive.
The airport did not appear especially busy at the time and when I enquired the reason for the delay at the Servisair enquiry desk in Arrivals I received a very dismissive reply from the representative who said, “The chocks went on at 1319 after which the aircraft is available to be unloaded. These things happen sometimes.” Not a very helpful reply, and not something that reflects well on either Servisair or the airport.
I wonder whether staffing levels have been reduced too much this winter.
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Firsty CO as im aware in tuesday and sunday but i dont no wot is goin on wth there winter timetable anyway. Second friday afteroon & evening was very busy at the airport due to alot of EZY flights running late from other airports. Resulting with certain aircraft being offloaded late due to the ground crews still stuck loading other aircraft. So it was slow for some crews getting to landing aircraft to put stairs on, when working on other planes. The staff levels are the same as the summer just a few people on the sick and on a/leave. The main factor was the lot of delayed inbound flights affected all other flights that were ontime or early, we can not be in two places as once non one person put a set of steps on to aircraft as it is a two man job. Safe first over Speed!
BTW it takes 15/20mins to Offload a boeing 757 with a crew of 4/5men, then 10mins to offload the bags off the flatbed on to the arrival belts. Total time 30/40mins not bad compared to MAN or LGW with a waiting time of an hour to 70mins for a offload.
BTW it takes 15/20mins to Offload a boeing 757 with a crew of 4/5men, then 10mins to offload the bags off the flatbed on to the arrival belts. Total time 30/40mins not bad compared to MAN or LGW with a waiting time of an hour to 70mins for a offload.
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No CO yesterday cus of thanksgiving .
CO reinstated 3 Thurs flights due a/c avbl and they have all sold well considering late loading.
Tomorrow sees first OLT service with Saab 2000's with upto 2 daily flights to HAM and BRE.
Bremen will be only scheduled service from any UK airport outside London.
Easyjet start daily HAM from next Thurs which gives upto 3 daily return flights to HAM - not bad for a little regional airport!!
CO reinstated 3 Thurs flights due a/c avbl and they have all sold well considering late loading.
Tomorrow sees first OLT service with Saab 2000's with upto 2 daily flights to HAM and BRE.
Bremen will be only scheduled service from any UK airport outside London.
Easyjet start daily HAM from next Thurs which gives upto 3 daily return flights to HAM - not bad for a little regional airport!!
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Thanks for info re CO.
rampboy,
Thanks for your input re unloading BY 299B on Friday, which partially explains the long delay, although bags were still arriving on the belt fifteen minutes after the first one appeared and the aircraft was only about 2/3rds full in my estimation, so it wasn't even a full load of pax and bags.
However, I'm grateful to hear from someone like you on the 'front line' of apron work rather than sanitised and PR explanations often offered by official sources.
I agree that BRS is almost always much quicker than the large airports (one of my many reasons for flying from there), but Friday was very slow, much slower than I think I have ever experienced there before. That's why I wondered if there was a problem.
Anyway, I won't labour it. As I said, many thanks.
Thanks for info re CO.
rampboy,
Thanks for your input re unloading BY 299B on Friday, which partially explains the long delay, although bags were still arriving on the belt fifteen minutes after the first one appeared and the aircraft was only about 2/3rds full in my estimation, so it wasn't even a full load of pax and bags.
However, I'm grateful to hear from someone like you on the 'front line' of apron work rather than sanitised and PR explanations often offered by official sources.
I agree that BRS is almost always much quicker than the large airports (one of my many reasons for flying from there), but Friday was very slow, much slower than I think I have ever experienced there before. That's why I wondered if there was a problem.
Anyway, I won't labour it. As I said, many thanks.
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Bristolian: The CO flights on Thursday in December weren't reinstated due to "availability of aircraft" - they've been on the mayfly since about early September. Christmas shopping season in New York maybe?
MV: There's always this sort of problem with every handling agent everywhere: they can't staff up for delays because delays aren't predictable. Staffing and rosters are based on the scheduled time of arrival and departure, so when a few flights get delayed everything gets backlogged. As Rampboy says, the ramp staff can't be in two places at once, they'll finish one flight before going to the next. In the same way, if a flight arrives early, it might well have to wait as well, especially if the crew allocated for that flight are still on their previous one! Not many "outsiders" appreciate these problems.
Rampboy: "Didn't know there was any ongoing development." Take a look around stand 62! The BY to YUL was a one-off cruise related flight I think. No plans for winter ski-ing 767's, at least they're not on the mayfly! Talking about larger aircraft though, there's supposed to be an Aer Lingus A330 on the weeknd of February 26th, I think it's to do with the Ireland v Wales "Six Nations" rugby match. There's supposed to be an extra three or four Ryanairs that day as well. Errr.....which stands for the A330 anybody?
MV: There's always this sort of problem with every handling agent everywhere: they can't staff up for delays because delays aren't predictable. Staffing and rosters are based on the scheduled time of arrival and departure, so when a few flights get delayed everything gets backlogged. As Rampboy says, the ramp staff can't be in two places at once, they'll finish one flight before going to the next. In the same way, if a flight arrives early, it might well have to wait as well, especially if the crew allocated for that flight are still on their previous one! Not many "outsiders" appreciate these problems.
Rampboy: "Didn't know there was any ongoing development." Take a look around stand 62! The BY to YUL was a one-off cruise related flight I think. No plans for winter ski-ing 767's, at least they're not on the mayfly! Talking about larger aircraft though, there's supposed to be an Aer Lingus A330 on the weeknd of February 26th, I think it's to do with the Ireland v Wales "Six Nations" rugby match. There's supposed to be an extra three or four Ryanairs that day as well. Errr.....which stands for the A330 anybody?
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Parking for the A330 in Feb may be on the western apron in the box of stands 23,24,25,26. We looked at it today, as a bit of fun should go there a treat.
Any probs give me a call on the day I parked the last one Twice
first in front of the Old terminal facing north then on the old central apron where stand 5 is now.
There is a funny story behind why the first one ended up facing north infront of the Old terminal
Any probs give me a call on the day I parked the last one Twice
first in front of the Old terminal facing north then on the old central apron where stand 5 is now.There is a funny story behind why the first one ended up facing north infront of the Old terminal
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Hello all,
FCA for next winter doesnt look as if its a total swap of 321 for 757, having a play on the FC website it looks like the 757 will probably be based for 3 days to cover the BJL and SSH, but all others including the new AGA will be 321 by the looks of things, still early days though.
Also reading with intrest the CWL thread, theres a lot on there saying FR and CWL have fallen out and even the possibility of FR pulling the DUB, would be very suprised if they did, but surely this bodes well for BRS, If 'going back a few months' FR had expansion plans for CWL as they once showed on the FR website, and know they're not getting on, maybe FR might want to give BRS a go, I'm sure instead of in direct competition with EZY they could pull out some interesting routes to complement the LC routes already established at BRS, particually Scandinavia and France!
FCA for next winter doesnt look as if its a total swap of 321 for 757, having a play on the FC website it looks like the 757 will probably be based for 3 days to cover the BJL and SSH, but all others including the new AGA will be 321 by the looks of things, still early days though.
Also reading with intrest the CWL thread, theres a lot on there saying FR and CWL have fallen out and even the possibility of FR pulling the DUB, would be very suprised if they did, but surely this bodes well for BRS, If 'going back a few months' FR had expansion plans for CWL as they once showed on the FR website, and know they're not getting on, maybe FR might want to give BRS a go, I'm sure instead of in direct competition with EZY they could pull out some interesting routes to complement the LC routes already established at BRS, particually Scandinavia and France!
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I was aware of construction work around stand 62 and where the mail tent was, but i was referring to the closure on stand 6 by the terminal as i knew they would be starting work there and in the undercroft to support the road above when they expand the terminal to build for new gates and shops above the road way where the coaches park but i dont think they have started there yet. As reguarding the BY flight qs, i was not at work at the time of this flight and i cannot give you the real reason for the delay, but the crew offloading the aircraft could of been pushing one of the easyjet's you mentioned were being pushed at the time of the aircraft on the ground.
Sounds like Hamburg is going to be a popular place from BRS both with lesiure passengers and airbus employees flighting between HAM & BRE, the german market is starting to expand now from BRS hopefully the french regional will follow soon instead of just CDG & TLS etc
Sounds like Hamburg is going to be a popular place from BRS both with lesiure passengers and airbus employees flighting between HAM & BRE, the german market is starting to expand now from BRS hopefully the french regional will follow soon instead of just CDG & TLS etc
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Oh dear, Flybe really seems to have the hump with BRS. After criticising the concept of the owners of BRS trying to buy EXT, they have now reduced schedules next summer.
Next summer's timetable is showing only one daily BHD, carrying on from this winter's reduction from three daily last summer and previous years.
Bergerac is down to three a week, from last summer's daily (a new route from Exeter to Bergerac is starting with five weekly rotations), and Bordeaux is down to four a week from last summer's daily.
Toulouse remains daily and Jersey has been increased to daily from five a week last summer.
A far cry from three years ago when the new Flybe routes were introduced with hints of a major route network from BRS.
Next summer's timetable is showing only one daily BHD, carrying on from this winter's reduction from three daily last summer and previous years.
Bergerac is down to three a week, from last summer's daily (a new route from Exeter to Bergerac is starting with five weekly rotations), and Bordeaux is down to four a week from last summer's daily.
Toulouse remains daily and Jersey has been increased to daily from five a week last summer.
A far cry from three years ago when the new Flybe routes were introduced with hints of a major route network from BRS.
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Looks to me Flybe are focusing their efforts in the region 100 km to the south west of Bristol. Think they have been surprised with the success of EXT which has made them re-evaluate their presence and any plans they had for BRS.
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Surely if Flybe had the hump with BRS then they'd have the hump with BHX too as its the same company that owns both airports as far as i was aware.
Also i know for a fact that a Flybe director flew out of BRS a few weeks ago and was so happy about the service he recieved that he wrote a letter to Sevisair saying how brilliant the service from the check-in agent was.
There is obviously some reason for no BRS expansion but I would put it down to the strength of EZY and the fact they're probably getting an excellent deal from EXT, they have the HQ, sales dept and maintance hangers there for godsake so they must get a brilliant deal from the airport
I dont see why were that worried about no Flybe expansion, at the end of the day Flybe have changed their mind on what they said a few years ago and theres no law to say they're not allowed to so we just gt to settle on the fact, and its not as if BRS is going short on extra routes because of it, not with WOW/EZY/BA and Easterns ever expanding networks out of BRS, and you never know, if the rumour on CWL/FR falling out is correct then we may even pick up some more from there, and theres no reason why we cant have both major LCCs in BRS, EMA/LTN/STN and LPL manage it so why not BRS!
Also i know for a fact that a Flybe director flew out of BRS a few weeks ago and was so happy about the service he recieved that he wrote a letter to Sevisair saying how brilliant the service from the check-in agent was.
There is obviously some reason for no BRS expansion but I would put it down to the strength of EZY and the fact they're probably getting an excellent deal from EXT, they have the HQ, sales dept and maintance hangers there for godsake so they must get a brilliant deal from the airport
I dont see why were that worried about no Flybe expansion, at the end of the day Flybe have changed their mind on what they said a few years ago and theres no law to say they're not allowed to so we just gt to settle on the fact, and its not as if BRS is going short on extra routes because of it, not with WOW/EZY/BA and Easterns ever expanding networks out of BRS, and you never know, if the rumour on CWL/FR falling out is correct then we may even pick up some more from there, and theres no reason why we cant have both major LCCs in BRS, EMA/LTN/STN and LPL manage it so why not BRS!
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Having the hump was made a bit tongue-in-cheek. I note you are a new poster, and it's always good to hear fresh views in the Bristol thread. A belated welcome.
I am very much pro-BRS, which I have used as a pax for more years than I care to remember and still do so, although I am not an uncritical supporter.
I guess there are several reasons for the Flybe pull-back in routes. They obviously now realise that EXT is an excellent performer since being given a real chance and are concentrating the bulk of their south west flights from there. The points you and Devonair made support this contention.
easyJet's apparently successful BRS-BFS route may have had a bearing on the reduction in Flybe's BRS-BHD rotations.
Flybe made similar expansion hints at such airports as NCL, yet to be fulfilled, but you are right about a change of mind and they may now see better commercial opportunities in the smaller regional airports such as EXT and NWI, in the short term at least.
BRS has done incredibly well over recent years so it may be time for a breather, in relative terms anyway, although those in the know seem to be suggesting fairly imminent further expansion of routes/schedules, though possibly not at the express speed of the past few years.
BTW, I believe Macquarie (the half owners of BRS with Ferrovial owning the other half) only own around 24% of BHX, and Ferrovial don't figure there at all.
Having the hump was made a bit tongue-in-cheek. I note you are a new poster, and it's always good to hear fresh views in the Bristol thread. A belated welcome.
I am very much pro-BRS, which I have used as a pax for more years than I care to remember and still do so, although I am not an uncritical supporter.
I guess there are several reasons for the Flybe pull-back in routes. They obviously now realise that EXT is an excellent performer since being given a real chance and are concentrating the bulk of their south west flights from there. The points you and Devonair made support this contention.
easyJet's apparently successful BRS-BFS route may have had a bearing on the reduction in Flybe's BRS-BHD rotations.
Flybe made similar expansion hints at such airports as NCL, yet to be fulfilled, but you are right about a change of mind and they may now see better commercial opportunities in the smaller regional airports such as EXT and NWI, in the short term at least.
BRS has done incredibly well over recent years so it may be time for a breather, in relative terms anyway, although those in the know seem to be suggesting fairly imminent further expansion of routes/schedules, though possibly not at the express speed of the past few years.
BTW, I believe Macquarie (the half owners of BRS with Ferrovial owning the other half) only own around 24% of BHX, and Ferrovial don't figure there at all.
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Just been checking the Ryanair UK - Dublin timetables and Ryanair appear to be only operating 6x weekly to Dublin once a day, with no Saturday flight.
Shannon remains daily.
Obviously this reduction is due to Ryanair using a much larger aircraft on the route. Similar reductions have been made at other airports.
Shannon remains daily.
Obviously this reduction is due to Ryanair using a much larger aircraft on the route. Similar reductions have been made at other airports.
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If you look at the East Midlands thread you will see that someone has posted that publication of the full FR summer 06 schedule has been put back from 16th to 23rd December.
Morning flights don't appear to have been released for booking yet anywhere as far as I can determine.
I had anticipated that the previously flown 3 x daily FR BRS-DUB rotations would be reduced to 2 daily with the bigger 738 replacing the 732 on the route.
It would still give almost the same number of seats with FR between BRS and DUB.
Let's wait and see.
Morning flights don't appear to have been released for booking yet anywhere as far as I can determine.
I had anticipated that the previously flown 3 x daily FR BRS-DUB rotations would be reduced to 2 daily with the bigger 738 replacing the 732 on the route.
It would still give almost the same number of seats with FR between BRS and DUB.
Let's wait and see.