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What are people's opinions on these new Air Scotland routes? Will they even go ahead? Weekly flights to BCN, PMI and AGP seem very strange indeed. There is a lot of competition on the Palma and Malaga routes already with the majority of carriers operating a more frequent service and a weekly flight to Barcelona just seems like a nonsense to me. Who the hell will use that? I notice that the BCN flight due to operate today has been cancelled after being put back a week already. Non starter?
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God knows! I think there is more to it than just a once-weekly service.....is it maybe slot protectionism on behalf of another carrier?
Air Scotland / Greece Airways...seems like they have an identitiy crisis!
Air Scotland / Greece Airways...seems like they have an identitiy crisis!
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A few bits of info
After initial slot submissions in Nov05 there was a 16% rise in movements. After handback day last week that figure is now only up 3% on last year !
Partly responsible for this small increase in traffic was last weeks confirmation that BAconnet have handed back 17% of historic slots for the summer (similar to this winter) and as a result these will be lost forever to them. Routes confirmed axed are FCO, NCE, ORK,OSL, PSA, SNN, STR, VCE AND ZRH . FRA will be reduced from 5 to 3 times a day aswell !
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After initial slot submissions in Nov05 there was a 16% rise in movements. After handback day last week that figure is now only up 3% on last year !
Partly responsible for this small increase in traffic was last weeks confirmation that BAconnet have handed back 17% of historic slots for the summer (similar to this winter) and as a result these will be lost forever to them. Routes confirmed axed are FCO, NCE, ORK,OSL, PSA, SNN, STR, VCE AND ZRH . FRA will be reduced from 5 to 3 times a day aswell !
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Spoke with CX official today who said Russians are creating 'no end of problems for us'
MAN-HKG should happen, but not via SVO initially, but hopefully in the long term it will. It will be via somewhere, but can't confirm it yet!
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My CX info was as good as the CX manager that gave it to me!
Well, I think we can all put a reasonable bet on it being Frankfurt...seeing as BA are reducing it, and CX are Oneworld partners....would also enable QF ax connecting via FRA to tap in to the service....
Well, I think we can all put a reasonable bet on it being Frankfurt...seeing as BA are reducing it, and CX are Oneworld partners....would also enable QF ax connecting via FRA to tap in to the service....
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Just a little tid bit.
The Alitalia a.m MXP flight will move forward a few hours to a much better time of 0600am dep from MAN, offering a longer day in Milan for business users, and more connecting opportunities from the AZ MXP hub.
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Mike
The Alitalia a.m MXP flight will move forward a few hours to a much better time of 0600am dep from MAN, offering a longer day in Milan for business users, and more connecting opportunities from the AZ MXP hub.
Regards
Mike
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Don't know if this has been reported but........
British Airways Franchise partner, British Airways CitiExpress, has announced the withdrawal of its service between Manchester and Oslo, effective 5 March 2006.
The last service will operate on 4 March 2006.
Customers booked on these cancelled services will be automatically rebooked on services between Manchester and Oslo via London Heathrow on the same departure date.
The last service will operate on 4 March 2006.
Customers booked on these cancelled services will be automatically rebooked on services between Manchester and Oslo via London Heathrow on the same departure date.
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Originally Posted by aeulad
Just a little tid bit.
The Alitalia a.m MXP flight will move forward a few hours to a much better time of 0600am dep from MAN, offering a longer day in Milan for business users, and more connecting opportunities from the AZ MXP hub.
Regards
Mike
The Alitalia a.m MXP flight will move forward a few hours to a much better time of 0600am dep from MAN, offering a longer day in Milan for business users, and more connecting opportunities from the AZ MXP hub.
Regards
Mike
As somebody said to me - now is the opportunity for an airline to take some premium slots, on a first come first serve basis, and create a mini-hub.
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Press release on the Cathay website announcing the postponement of the Manchester startup. Reads like the anchester end is the problem, although I would have thought that permission from either the Chinese or Russians to continue on to Manchester is more likely to be the problem (trying to avoid upsetting the Russians maybe?).
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax
Press release on the Cathay website announcing the postponement of the Manchester startup. Reads like the anchester end is the problem, although I would have thought that permission from either the Chinese or Russians to continue on to Manchester is more likely to be the problem (trying to avoid upsetting the Russians maybe?).
That will teach MAPLC to put it on the front cover of Plane Talk
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This story made the front page of the Business section of the South China Morning Post this morning. Report indicates (quote Cathay Executive)"the key hurdle is Aeroflot's lack of traffic rights to fly to Manchester... a fact that Cathay management was appraised of only late last month."
"Cathay would not comment on Aeroflot's bi-lateral status". Aeroflot's General Manager in Hong Kong did not respond to inquiries this week.
Report also indicates that Russia is a small but growing market "making it necessary from a profit perspective for Cathay to include an onward destination such as Manchester". Cathay "continues to work with its partners in the hopes of resolving the outstanding issues".
I thought that Aeroflot did have flights (traffic rights) into Manchester from Moscow for a short period in the past ... or am I mistaken?
"Cathay would not comment on Aeroflot's bi-lateral status". Aeroflot's General Manager in Hong Kong did not respond to inquiries this week.
Report also indicates that Russia is a small but growing market "making it necessary from a profit perspective for Cathay to include an onward destination such as Manchester". Cathay "continues to work with its partners in the hopes of resolving the outstanding issues".
I thought that Aeroflot did have flights (traffic rights) into Manchester from Moscow for a short period in the past ... or am I mistaken?
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Can;t see this route happening at all now. Very cleverly, this whole sorry episode shows MAN in a good light. It means that they can show the rest of us that they have made attempts to get a service to HKG, but that it is fraught with difficulties...so hey-ho tose passngers will just have to keep filling up those BA shuttles to London, and we know how much MAplc love to keep BA happy!
SU did used to fly sporadically in to MAN from Leningrad and Moscow in the mid 90s - weekly I believe.
Maybe China Southern might give MAN a look in..?
SU did used to fly sporadically in to MAN from Leningrad and Moscow in the mid 90s - weekly I believe.
Maybe China Southern might give MAN a look in..?
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SVO to MAN v.v is the problem, not MAN itself.
It's to do with 5th freedom rites and who can operate the route. Word is that another operator who has the rites to/from SVO and has never actually flown the route has lodged an objection
. Until that is sorted the SVO-MAN sector can not operate.
HKG to SVO won't generate enough revenue to be viable on it's own and as the HKG-MAN service was temporarily suspended, something like 5 years ago, it was deemed a good idea to restart it and combine the two.
Everything is in place in both airports SVO and MAN and the flight could operate tomorrow, shame.
It's to do with 5th freedom rites and who can operate the route. Word is that another operator who has the rites to/from SVO and has never actually flown the route has lodged an objection
. Until that is sorted the SVO-MAN sector can not operate. HKG to SVO won't generate enough revenue to be viable on it's own and as the HKG-MAN service was temporarily suspended, something like 5 years ago, it was deemed a good idea to restart it and combine the two.
Everything is in place in both airports SVO and MAN and the flight could operate tomorrow, shame.
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From Ethiad customer services (when I enquired how to book the route)
''Unfortunately the launch of our Manchester service has had to be delayed, as we still await confirmation of aircraft delivery dates from the manufacturers. As soon as we receive this information, we will publish the schedule and fares, which will be posted on our website. Although we do not yet have a confirmed date, the latest information I have is that it is likely to be some time after May 2006.
I apologise for any inconvenience this may cause. In the meantime, we offer a service via Heathrow, in conjunction with our code-share partner bmi''
''Unfortunately the launch of our Manchester service has had to be delayed, as we still await confirmation of aircraft delivery dates from the manufacturers. As soon as we receive this information, we will publish the schedule and fares, which will be posted on our website. Although we do not yet have a confirmed date, the latest information I have is that it is likely to be some time after May 2006.
I apologise for any inconvenience this may cause. In the meantime, we offer a service via Heathrow, in conjunction with our code-share partner bmi''
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Oh dear....it's all going wrong for MAN this week!
What MAN really needs is some African services and more lo-cos...come on EZY and FR...come and grab some of these vacant BA slots!
What MAN really needs is some African services and more lo-cos...come on EZY and FR...come and grab some of these vacant BA slots!
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Originally Posted by spannersatcx
SVO to MAN v.v is the problem, not MAN itself.
It's to do with 5th freedom rites and who can operate the route. Word is that another operator who has the rites to/from SVO and has never actually flown the route has lodged an objection . Until that is sorted the SVO-MAN sector can not operate.
It's to do with 5th freedom rites and who can operate the route. Word is that another operator who has the rites to/from SVO and has never actually flown the route has lodged an objection
. Until that is sorted the SVO-MAN sector can not operate.