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Surely it is a little early to be thinking in the past tense? My intel tells me that they have reasonably secure long-term finance in place, and the company appears to be still trading, albeit in reduced form. I had the impression the goals were more long term in nature.
Does anyone who actually works for them know what is happening now?
I had a friend who was offered a job with them on the RJ, and although the job never happened, the impression he got was that the current situation was merely a restructure.
Anyway... fascinating story. Tell us more.
Does anyone who actually works for them know what is happening now?
I had a friend who was offered a job with them on the RJ, and although the job never happened, the impression he got was that the current situation was merely a restructure.
Anyway... fascinating story. Tell us more.
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OK some facts:
1. Check in staff work for Flight Support Ltd not EM.
2. WS has gone into a long planned retirement, good luck to him.
3. JS is a very experienced very capable CEO.
4. A winter schedule has been announced with a reduction in routes, because its the winter and fuel is at $1.92 a usg.
5. Long term funding is in place.
6.EM is here to stay.
anymore questions? The above was announced on local radio this morning.
1. Check in staff work for Flight Support Ltd not EM.
2. WS has gone into a long planned retirement, good luck to him.
3. JS is a very experienced very capable CEO.
4. A winter schedule has been announced with a reduction in routes, because its the winter and fuel is at $1.92 a usg.
5. Long term funding is in place.
6.EM is here to stay.
anymore questions? The above was announced on local radio this morning.
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Guys, you've got to respect them for what they have done. I am certain there are dozens of ppruners dying to write "I told you so" posts but, at the end of the day, they have admitted they misread either the market or their capabilities (or both) and come clean.
The main concern now is that they will be seen as a weakened airline and others will capitalise on this - operating two a day on London City is only partially serving this market, leaving Stanstead uncovered is inviting more London competition and, as a result of their Galway expedition, they now have a competitor on their back on Liverpool.
There are lots of patches to be applied but, if they concentrate on what they can be good at and put 100% into it, with proper direction, there is no reason for them to cease and every reason for them to flourish over time, provided the finances are in place.
The main concern now is that they will be seen as a weakened airline and others will capitalise on this - operating two a day on London City is only partially serving this market, leaving Stanstead uncovered is inviting more London competition and, as a result of their Galway expedition, they now have a competitor on their back on Liverpool.
There are lots of patches to be applied but, if they concentrate on what they can be good at and put 100% into it, with proper direction, there is no reason for them to cease and every reason for them to flourish over time, provided the finances are in place.
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OK some facts:
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"1. Check in staff work for Flight Support Ltd not EM."
Directors are the same
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"2. WS has gone into a long planned retirement, good luck to him."
As a traveller who has suffered an 18 hour delay at the hands of his company I day good riddance to him !
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"3. JS is a very experienced very capable CEO."
Lets hope he can manage the job better than his daddy.
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"4. A winter schedule has been announced with a reduction in routes, because its the winter and fuel is at $1.92 a usg."
This is the company that said when they took sole control of the Liverpool route they would maintain current schedule frequencies. They certainly wont on the LPL route.
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5. Long term funding is in place."
That doesnt mean they will be a success. They can still manage their own downfall
"6.EM is here to stay."
Oh god no !!!!!
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"1. Check in staff work for Flight Support Ltd not EM."
Directors are the same
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"2. WS has gone into a long planned retirement, good luck to him."
As a traveller who has suffered an 18 hour delay at the hands of his company I day good riddance to him !
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"3. JS is a very experienced very capable CEO."
Lets hope he can manage the job better than his daddy.
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"4. A winter schedule has been announced with a reduction in routes, because its the winter and fuel is at $1.92 a usg."
This is the company that said when they took sole control of the Liverpool route they would maintain current schedule frequencies. They certainly wont on the LPL route.
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5. Long term funding is in place."
That doesnt mean they will be a success. They can still manage their own downfall
"6.EM is here to stay."
Oh god no !!!!!
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Well none of it makes any sense, actually.
1: Same directors. So what? Different companies, one can stand without the other.
2: 18 hour delay. So what? This happens every day to every airline. In over 20 years in the game, for six different airlines, I must have had over 25 delays like that. The fact that you were unlucky enough to have such a delay does not mean the airline is a bad one... there could be hundreds of reasons for such a delay.
3: Stupid comment not worthy of an answer.
4: Have they actually reduced frequency on the LPL route, or is that an assumption on your part?
5: Assured funding is 80% of the battle. There is nothing to indicate that they have made any serious mis-judgements so far. It is very hard to start a new airline in the rather crowded European market.. Some pretty good airlines have gone to the wall over the years...
6: I hope they are here to stay, and more power to their arm. You don't have to fly with them, do you?
And no I don't work for them, or even live in the same country...
1: Same directors. So what? Different companies, one can stand without the other.
2: 18 hour delay. So what? This happens every day to every airline. In over 20 years in the game, for six different airlines, I must have had over 25 delays like that. The fact that you were unlucky enough to have such a delay does not mean the airline is a bad one... there could be hundreds of reasons for such a delay.
3: Stupid comment not worthy of an answer.
4: Have they actually reduced frequency on the LPL route, or is that an assumption on your part?
5: Assured funding is 80% of the battle. There is nothing to indicate that they have made any serious mis-judgements so far. It is very hard to start a new airline in the rather crowded European market.. Some pretty good airlines have gone to the wall over the years...
6: I hope they are here to stay, and more power to their arm. You don't have to fly with them, do you?
And no I don't work for them, or even live in the same country...
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"1: Same directors. So what? Different companies, one can stand without the other."
Same director same shambles of an operation.
"2: 18 hour delay. So what? This happens every day to every airline. In over 20 years in the game, for six different airlines, I must have had over 25 delays like that. The fact that you were unlucky enough to have such a delay does not mean the airline is a bad one... there could be hundreds of reasons for such a delay."
Delay was caused because they sent a plane to LPL with 2 pax on board and didnt board the remainder of the pax. Flight Support loaded the plane with 2 pax and euromanx staff decided to depart anyway. that plane also contained ALL the bags of those who were supposed to depart. with respect i doubt u have experienced anything like that before..... They then could not arrange an aircraft for the pax that evening once they realised the mistake or even the following morning so once they cleared the backlog the following day it was 18 hour delay.
"3: Stupid comment not worthy of an answer."
my opinion thats all. stupid or not.
"4: Have they actually reduced frequency on the LPL route, or is that an assumption on your part?"
Not assumption. I have facts.
"5: Assured funding is 80% of the battle. There is nothing to indicate that they have made any serious mis-judgements so far. It is very hard to start a new airline in the rather crowded European market.. Some pretty good airlines have gone to the wall over the years..."
Mis-judgements...? See no 2 - due to this they wont get my business any longer (where I have a choice)
"6: I hope they are here to stay, and more power to their arm. You don't have to fly with them, do you?"
See 5
Same director same shambles of an operation.
"2: 18 hour delay. So what? This happens every day to every airline. In over 20 years in the game, for six different airlines, I must have had over 25 delays like that. The fact that you were unlucky enough to have such a delay does not mean the airline is a bad one... there could be hundreds of reasons for such a delay."
Delay was caused because they sent a plane to LPL with 2 pax on board and didnt board the remainder of the pax. Flight Support loaded the plane with 2 pax and euromanx staff decided to depart anyway. that plane also contained ALL the bags of those who were supposed to depart. with respect i doubt u have experienced anything like that before..... They then could not arrange an aircraft for the pax that evening once they realised the mistake or even the following morning so once they cleared the backlog the following day it was 18 hour delay.
"3: Stupid comment not worthy of an answer."
my opinion thats all. stupid or not.
"4: Have they actually reduced frequency on the LPL route, or is that an assumption on your part?"
Not assumption. I have facts.
"5: Assured funding is 80% of the battle. There is nothing to indicate that they have made any serious mis-judgements so far. It is very hard to start a new airline in the rather crowded European market.. Some pretty good airlines have gone to the wall over the years..."
Mis-judgements...? See no 2 - due to this they wont get my business any longer (where I have a choice)
"6: I hope they are here to stay, and more power to their arm. You don't have to fly with them, do you?"
See 5
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Yes I've seen delays like that... had a few out of BHX when security (or what passes for security) got swamped and we had a 40 minute delay for our pax... had to depart as if we hadn't, we would have arrived after our destination closed. Such a delay could also be slot-induced. Do you have all the facts regarding that flight? Do you know all the curcumstances? Thought not.
And do you know all the circumstances regarding the events the next day? Do you know, for example, whether an imbound aircraft intended to sort the problem out was delayed by a slot... or weather... or a tech problem? Maybe a lack of de-icing capability, or Swanwick dying again, or Eurocontrol having a brain fart? Possibly a crew member being in a traffic accident? There could be hundreds of reasons, none of which necessarily indicates a management failure.
Panning an airline on the basis of one experience is ever so slightly over the top.
And do you know all the circumstances regarding the events the next day? Do you know, for example, whether an imbound aircraft intended to sort the problem out was delayed by a slot... or weather... or a tech problem? Maybe a lack of de-icing capability, or Swanwick dying again, or Eurocontrol having a brain fart? Possibly a crew member being in a traffic accident? There could be hundreds of reasons, none of which necessarily indicates a management failure.
Panning an airline on the basis of one experience is ever so slightly over the top.
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agree with lfc
"Guys, you've got to respect them for what they have done"
What for bringing shame to the Manx name?
They are a joke, I mean for a start they have bypassed the english AOC and use an Austrian one?
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We could write a seriously long list of shame about euromanx!
For a start last winter euromanx did not de-ice their a/c - FACT the day other operators did!
Weather, euromanx operate in anything, reported last week was an a/c landing when there was an approach ban in place due to visibility.
ATC dont think its brussels/swanwick, euromanx have major problems with there flight plans as they change timings anda/c etc without re-filing, therefore inducing a delay - FACT
Anyone who works in or around euromanx know, its not if they will survive but how long is left!
If their answer to aer arran is to put a 146 on lpl route, that just sums them up! Even the IOM Government is supporting Aer arran!!!
WS retired, that is the best ive heard in ages!!!
JS im sure will be due for early retirement soon?? ha!
People euromanx have had long enough, I was once a beliver.
"Guys, you've got to respect them for what they have done"
What for bringing shame to the Manx name?
They are a joke, I mean for a start they have bypassed the english AOC and use an Austrian one?
MOR
We could write a seriously long list of shame about euromanx!
For a start last winter euromanx did not de-ice their a/c - FACT the day other operators did!
Weather, euromanx operate in anything, reported last week was an a/c landing when there was an approach ban in place due to visibility.
ATC dont think its brussels/swanwick, euromanx have major problems with there flight plans as they change timings anda/c etc without re-filing, therefore inducing a delay - FACT
Anyone who works in or around euromanx know, its not if they will survive but how long is left!
If their answer to aer arran is to put a 146 on lpl route, that just sums them up! Even the IOM Government is supporting Aer arran!!!
WS retired, that is the best ive heard in ages!!!
JS im sure will be due for early retirement soon?? ha!
People euromanx have had long enough, I was once a beliver.
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hansol also mentioned IOM govt support of RE but has yet to expand on what form this takes, what routes etc.
Do you have that information or were you merely repeating hansol's post?
hansol also mentioned IOM govt support of RE but has yet to expand on what form this takes, what routes etc.
Do you have that information or were you merely repeating hansol's post?
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yes, i do have information but cannot say publicly, but you will find out around the launch date of route
With regards to financial support I don't know, If think the a/c must be over 50 seats, so if they are using 42s then no.
With regards to financial support I don't know, If think the a/c must be over 50 seats, so if they are using 42s then no.
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So you are suggesting that an Austrian AOC (under JAA) is inferior to a UK AOC (under JAA)? How do you work that one out? No such thing as an English AOC btw.
As far as not de-icing, I find that rather hard to believe - it would show up at their first audit. Same goes for landing whilst an approach ban was in place - the aerodrome tower is required to inform the appropriate authority if that happens, and it would only be a matter of hours before the AOC postholder was carpeted. Do it more than once and you can say goodbye to your AOC.
I have regularly changed types and timings - for example when stepping in for a tech Q400 - and it has never taken more than a few minutes to get going, unless there were existing slot delays. And that was always done via Ground or the Tower. They simply do what your company ops should do.
You obviously have an axe to grind with Euromanx. Personally I have no feelings either way, but some of the stuff being posted here is pure b*ll*cks.
So you are suggesting that an Austrian AOC (under JAA) is inferior to a UK AOC (under JAA)? How do you work that one out? No such thing as an English AOC btw.
As far as not de-icing, I find that rather hard to believe - it would show up at their first audit. Same goes for landing whilst an approach ban was in place - the aerodrome tower is required to inform the appropriate authority if that happens, and it would only be a matter of hours before the AOC postholder was carpeted. Do it more than once and you can say goodbye to your AOC.
I have regularly changed types and timings - for example when stepping in for a tech Q400 - and it has never taken more than a few minutes to get going, unless there were existing slot delays. And that was always done via Ground or the Tower. They simply do what your company ops should do.
You obviously have an axe to grind with Euromanx. Personally I have no feelings either way, but some of the stuff being posted here is pure b*ll*cks.
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I fully understand your comment "some of the stuff being posted here is pure bollocsk"
however......if you dont have the factual information (which some of us do) then i can understand that comment. you also would certainly find many things hard to belive but they are true. certain things happen at IOM which would not happen elsewhere.
I fully understand your comment "some of the stuff being posted here is pure bollocsk"
however......if you dont have the factual information (which some of us do) then i can understand that comment. you also would certainly find many things hard to belive but they are true. certain things happen at IOM which would not happen elsewhere.
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I was also a believer
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you obviously never worked for them, at least not in the flight ops department. I did, I also was a believer and I know everybody I speak about personally. Believe me, JS is even WORSE. But, what shall I say, you will see...
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Austria is FAR away from beeing JAR conform. They have implemented the JAR OPS, but the most important part for flight crew, safety, training etc is the JAR FCL (flight crew licensing). I know all the circumstances EMX got their AOC and how they are under constant pressure from Austrocontrol. See also my PS in my last post. They got at least two times a "last chance" from ACG. I don't know another airline who received that kind of warnings.....
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let's stay fair here, Euromanx did not de-iced their A/C last winter????? EMX as an operating Airline does not exist longer than 6 month, my friend, must be a hoax...
you obviously never worked for them, at least not in the flight ops department. I did, I also was a believer and I know everybody I speak about personally. Believe me, JS is even WORSE. But, what shall I say, you will see...
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Austria is FAR away from beeing JAR conform. They have implemented the JAR OPS, but the most important part for flight crew, safety, training etc is the JAR FCL (flight crew licensing). I know all the circumstances EMX got their AOC and how they are under constant pressure from Austrocontrol. See also my PS in my last post. They got at least two times a "last chance" from ACG. I don't know another airline who received that kind of warnings.....
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let's stay fair here, Euromanx did not de-iced their A/C last winter????? EMX as an operating Airline does not exist longer than 6 month, my friend, must be a hoax...
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Yes, it is normal for EMX to park remote near the MYT hangar at Manchester. This is because arriving passengers have to be bussed to T3 arrivals [domestic section], whilst outbound pax are bussed from the T1 bussing lounge. It is not unusual for other domestic flights which can't be accommodated in T3 to have a similar arrangement, notably the FlyBe Southampton services and - before their recent demise - the EU Jet Manston run.
Euromanx check-in is in T1 lower level (alongside Jet2 and MyTravel). Hope this is helpful to you.
SHED.
Euromanx check-in is in T1 lower level (alongside Jet2 and MyTravel). Hope this is helpful to you.
SHED.
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Now why do I get the impression that sidestickhumper and part69 do not speak English as their first language? Not Austrians are you...? 
I guess we will see eventually whether or not they succeed. I had the impression that the Chief Pilot was an Austrian or a German, but if any of what you describe is really going on, he will no doubt be unemployed soon!
I also heard that an ex-BA guy was set to become the RJ fleet manager, if that is true, no doubt standards will rise.
New, small niche players can be good or bad. I have worked for a bad one, it didn't last very long. Unsafe practices and skimping soon catch up with you.
I guess we will see eventually whether or not they succeed. I had the impression that the Chief Pilot was an Austrian or a German, but if any of what you describe is really going on, he will no doubt be unemployed soon!
I also heard that an ex-BA guy was set to become the RJ fleet manager, if that is true, no doubt standards will rise.
New, small niche players can be good or bad. I have worked for a bad one, it didn't last very long. Unsafe practices and skimping soon catch up with you.