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Well, come on Will, do TELL us more!
It looks as if you've just taken the trouble to register to break this news - or is it just another rumour?
It looks as if you've just taken the trouble to register to break this news - or is it just another rumour?
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I posted here yesterday a 'RUMOUR' that another operator was looking at running some of the old 3W routes, and the post was removed, why? is the supposed operator getting protection from Prune because he has had so much flack with regards to lots of faults starts?
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Wake up euroman.
Use the search facility. This forum. My username. That little entrepreneur.
I exposed the little plotters badmouthing other companies and puffing their 'operation.' Multiple usernames, same agenda, same computer. I have no desire to see them receive any publicity at all here because of the desperate 'enthusiasts' desire to believe any hype and spin offered up. Savvy?
Protecting them my arse! Is Fragglesque paranoia now terminal?
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Use the search facility. This forum. My username. That little entrepreneur.
I exposed the little plotters badmouthing other companies and puffing their 'operation.' Multiple usernames, same agenda, same computer. I have no desire to see them receive any publicity at all here because of the desperate 'enthusiasts' desire to believe any hype and spin offered up. Savvy?
Protecting them my arse! Is Fragglesque paranoia now terminal?
Regards
rob
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I have PM'd you before about this. I told you that not one syllable will be allowed on PPRuNe about these so-called entrepreneurs, and that I have and will continue to delete anything written about them anywhere on PPRuNe as soon as it appears. Their websites are banned from here and so is ANY reference to them. As my friend PPRuNe Towers so eloquently puts it ------------- Savvy?
I have PM'd you before about this. I told you that not one syllable will be allowed on PPRuNe about these so-called entrepreneurs, and that I have and will continue to delete anything written about them anywhere on PPRuNe as soon as it appears. Their websites are banned from here and so is ANY reference to them. As my friend PPRuNe Towers so eloquently puts it ------------- Savvy?
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Hansol: Yes, you're right, he returned to finish his work and to hand it over, ask him. And, once again, Austria IS JAR (JAR OPS, not JAR FCL). Stop dreaming, wake up, mate...
I'ver asked this before without an answer.What's your authority for stating that Austria IS JAR OPS? Do you mean that Austrocontrol as the national regulatory authority is accepted by the Joint Aviation Authorities as being in compliance with JAR - OPS 1? Where may this assertion be verified?
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Austria - NOT JAR-OPS
If you go to the JAA Website & look under Operations, Operations Standardisation & OPST Mutual Recognition, you will see that Austria has NOT been visited by the OPST programme (which looks into those countries that have transitioned to JAR-OPS to ensure standards are maintained).
Additionally Austria does not appear in the Register of AOC Holders (JAR-OPS) in JAA Administrative & Guidance Material, Section 4.
However the requirements for an Operating Licence (OL) are conatined in EU regulation (EEC) 2407/92 which Austria should be applying to ensure to financial stability & ownership issues related to any operator.
So, as far as I can see, Austria is not JAR-OPS compliant at this time.
Additionally Austria does not appear in the Register of AOC Holders (JAR-OPS) in JAA Administrative & Guidance Material, Section 4.
However the requirements for an Operating Licence (OL) are conatined in EU regulation (EEC) 2407/92 which Austria should be applying to ensure to financial stability & ownership issues related to any operator.
So, as far as I can see, Austria is not JAR-OPS compliant at this time.
Thank you YAK97.That is precisely my understanding of the position unless sidestickhumper is able to provide evidence to the contrary to support his assertion. It is perhaps anomalous that there are cases of States which are not yet EU members but which ARE JAR OPS 1 compliant ( Romania being one example).
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Austria applying JAR OPS
I have to clarify, what I mean. In order to prepare for the transition to JAR (OPS and FCL) wich is planned for the beginning of next year (and was planned since a few years to be implemented any time and never happened tough), Austria has started about 2 years ago to fully apply and accept JAR-OPS Part 1 regulations. Correct, Austria is NOT an official JAR member yet, but would NOT accept any commercial operators who deviate from JAR OPS 1 standard anymore. A lot of smaller austrian operators are calculating with the so called "grandfather rights" in the trasition phase and will be surprised, that JAR is not granting such rights anymore. It will be a cold shower for them...
Soddit: sorry for not answering your question in the old thread, I just missed it...
Soddit: sorry for not answering your question in the old thread, I just missed it...
Thank you sidestickhumper.I can easily accept that the Austrian Airlines Groups' procedures comply completely with JAR - OPS 1.Their membership of the Star Alliance and the audits that go with it will see to that.My difficulty is that Austrocontrol themselves do absolutely nothing to make clear that they do not comply as a regulatory authority with JAR - OPS 1. I will leave JAR - FCL totally out of this as it deals with Flight Crew Licencsing rather than commercial air transport.Consider. If I want to know,for example,what a Netherlands - based AOC holder has to do for Low Visibility approval to be granted.RLD Netherlands as regulator publishes requirements ( in Dutch) that comply fully with JAR - OPS 1.So I need to only read JAR - OPS 1 Subpart E to check the requirements.NOT SO IN AUSTRIA! They are not JAR OPS 1 compliant so you can learn nothing by reading it.All you can do is buy the Austrian Regulations - available only in the German language ,as you would expect - and then try to interpret what they actually mean.For UK readers,this is a bit like trying to write an operations manual using only the ANO and ANGRs but without the guidance material in things like CAP 371.Almost impossible and inevitably subject to personal interpretation by individual AustroControl representatives.Where is this leading? For a start it answers Raw Data.There may well be nothing in the Austrian Regulations which debars an F/O being Head of Training ( or whatever title is applied).I don't know - I don't have a copy of the Austrian regulations.Does anyone know where I might obtain an authorised version? In the German language is fine,thank you,
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