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Yup, was on the front page of the Evening Echo as well so it must be trust and must definately going to be happening as well 
Cant access the unison link but the slant in the echo is that Ryanair want to take over Corks old terminal exclusively for themselves???
Now, that was just reading the news paper down in the petrol station so I didn;t read the full article from top to bottom but it was the general gist of it....
Cant access the unison link but the slant in the echo is that Ryanair want to take over Corks old terminal exclusively for themselves???
Now, that was just reading the news paper down in the petrol station so I didn;t read the full article from top to bottom but it was the general gist of it....
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Why do I smell politics...
There's no way Ryanair will want two bases in Munster. The only region where they have two bases is Greater London, which has 16 times the population (and it's wealthier).
Are they just trying to screw Shannon into an even tighter deal?
I know Cork has a slightly larger catchment area, but I can't see them abandoning Shannon with the deal they have there.
There's no way Ryanair will want two bases in Munster. The only region where they have two bases is Greater London, which has 16 times the population (and it's wealthier).
Are they just trying to screw Shannon into an even tighter deal?
I know Cork has a slightly larger catchment area, but I can't see them abandoning Shannon with the deal they have there.
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Agree with you 840.... dunno what is going on there really but politics is definately involved some where.
I could even suggest Dublin? Threaten to pull routes out of Dublin down to Cork because "we have our own terminal down in Cork" type of a deal......
I will believe it when I see it.
I could even suggest Dublin? Threaten to pull routes out of Dublin down to Cork because "we have our own terminal down in Cork" type of a deal......
I will believe it when I see it.
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someone commenting in the evening echo in cork gave a crap excuse why ryainair couldn't operate the terminal,something alongs the lines that it wont have planning permission once the new terminal opens!!! thats a bit sad
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here's a snippet from d'Indo:
Cork Airport is due to open a new €163m terminal early next year when the existing terminal is due to be used as stores or, perhaps, office space.
Ryanair has suggested that Cork devote the existing airport to low-cost carriers.
Michael Cawley, Ryanair's chief operating officer, said: "There is no point in having an asset there which is not generating revenue. In the current year Cork probably has enough growth. It is currently carrying 3m passengers a year. But this has the potential to grow to 5m or even 5.5m passengers, and that's not even factoring in population growth.
"We have already given plenty of business to Cork," said Cawley, who is himself a Corkman. "We'd like to expand on that but we can't do that until Cork becomes competitive and I think that Cork Airport understands the problem. It knows it needs to be competitive."
Joe Gantly, the chairman of Cork Airport, which is in the process of establishing itself as a standalone entity, declined to be drawn on the use of the old terminal. He said: "We are currently exploring a range of opportunities but it is far too early to be drawn on possible uses (for the old terminal)."
if it was as simple as PP all he had to say was "we talked to MOL and told him it couldn't be done for PP reasons"
Cork Airport is due to open a new €163m terminal early next year when the existing terminal is due to be used as stores or, perhaps, office space.
Ryanair has suggested that Cork devote the existing airport to low-cost carriers.
Michael Cawley, Ryanair's chief operating officer, said: "There is no point in having an asset there which is not generating revenue. In the current year Cork probably has enough growth. It is currently carrying 3m passengers a year. But this has the potential to grow to 5m or even 5.5m passengers, and that's not even factoring in population growth.
"We have already given plenty of business to Cork," said Cawley, who is himself a Corkman. "We'd like to expand on that but we can't do that until Cork becomes competitive and I think that Cork Airport understands the problem. It knows it needs to be competitive."
Joe Gantly, the chairman of Cork Airport, which is in the process of establishing itself as a standalone entity, declined to be drawn on the use of the old terminal. He said: "We are currently exploring a range of opportunities but it is far too early to be drawn on possible uses (for the old terminal)."
if it was as simple as PP all he had to say was "we talked to MOL and told him it couldn't be done for PP reasons"
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Well, Mr Cawley is finding a fresh regard for Cork Airport? Curious. Ryanair have never had much time for Cork Airport and it has been a pretty begruding operation to say the least. For example, for the past few winters Ryanair were quick to dump the fourth STN-ORK service. Then, this year easyJet arrive at Cork Airport and even before they start Ryanair sneak in and for the first time in recent winters reintroduce the fourth Stansted flight and, of course, they immediately clean up. Why, then, drop it in the first place?
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I noticed the Fokker 70 too on Friday night. It was the first time I'd seen it there. I have no idea whether it was a one-off or a regular occurence.
Is Cork-Budapest not pretty close to the operational limit for a Fokker 70?
Is Cork-Budapest not pretty close to the operational limit for a Fokker 70?
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Cork - Budapest is around 1104 nautical miles
Fokker 70 range is (with 79 passengers and baggage at standard weights) 2010km (1085nm), or 3410km (1840nm) for high gross weight option with extra fuel.
Fokker 70 range is (with 79 passengers and baggage at standard weights) 2010km (1085nm), or 3410km (1840nm) for high gross weight option with extra fuel.
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I understand it is a temporary measure from Malev. From November Malev are being being sensible and are adapting a schedule like CSA had in 2004 so coming in on Wed, Thurs, Sun and Monday evenings and overnighting making weekend options more attractive. A mixture of 737-700s and 737-600s.
The Fokker 70s are nice too see too though at Cork and are definitely worth a few photos!
The Fokker 70s are nice too see too though at Cork and are definitely worth a few photos!
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Seeing that BA seem to be pulling off the Manchester route this Winter, what are the chances of BMIBaby providing a decent frequency.
Cork-Manchester needs a morning and an evening flight. Now we are just going to see one flight in the morning.
At one point this route had 3 BA flights a day. It peaked at 3 BA and 2 BMIBaby flights. Even this summer, it was at 2 BMIBaby and 1 BA. One flight a day is surely not enough.
Cork-Manchester needs a morning and an evening flight. Now we are just going to see one flight in the morning.
At one point this route had 3 BA flights a day. It peaked at 3 BA and 2 BMIBaby flights. Even this summer, it was at 2 BMIBaby and 1 BA. One flight a day is surely not enough.
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ORK management persuading bmi to put a regional aircraft on it and replace baby, and therefore have through ticketing to bmi longhaul and codeshares ex MAN, would be more useful I think!
ORK management persuading bmi to put a regional aircraft on it and replace baby, and therefore have through ticketing to bmi longhaul and codeshares ex MAN, would be more useful I think!
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A quick correction to my posting above on Malev. There is no Monday night arrival in the winter schedule so it is Wed, Thurs and Sunday night arrivals and it is Thurs, Fri and Monday departures. Far more sensible for the weekenders etc.
There will be a brief period in mid Jan to end Feb 2006 when there will be no Manchester service at all when bmi baby go down to just five weekly services, cant remember just now but think the days are Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Is certainly worrying, sure enough.
Did you all see last weekend's newspapers? Big ads from the Cork Airport Authority looking for a new Marketing Manager and a Commercial Director.
Guess that answers the question whether there is anyone working at Cork who is up to taking on John Smyth's old job?
There will be a brief period in mid Jan to end Feb 2006 when there will be no Manchester service at all when bmi baby go down to just five weekly services, cant remember just now but think the days are Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Is certainly worrying, sure enough.
Did you all see last weekend's newspapers? Big ads from the Cork Airport Authority looking for a new Marketing Manager and a Commercial Director.
Guess that answers the question whether there is anyone working at Cork who is up to taking on John Smyth's old job?
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I did a day return yesterday on MAN-ORK-MAN with Bmibaby and am a little surprised that they are dropping the frequency down to at best, just one flight each day. Even though we had around 70-80 pax on each of the flights, which is maybe a little low for a LCC type of operation operating 733/735 type on the route, I would suspect that the day return option is now something really neccessary for the two cities and that load factors could increase if BA are to pull off the route.
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If there are 70-80 pax on each plane perhaps MarkD's suggestion of BMI taking over the route is a good one. I would expect that after Dublin and London (and maybe Belfast or Birmingham) that this route has one of the highest percentages of business travellers on all routes out of Cork. There is probably a large enough group of passengers who are willing to pay good money for a day-return.
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Does anyone know what BD's loads ORK-LBA are? I would think LBA would be a better baby route since LBA has no connections worth talking about. However, LBA seems to be a Regional outpost from what I can see.
MAN on the other hand gives connections to German and Scandinavian routes via LH/SK and Toronto with AC, as well as BD's own Caribbean routes + LAS and ORD. If BD hadn't sabotaged IAD to open Riyadh that would be there too.
(incidentally, bmi's timetable offers "Manchester to Manchester" via IAD, but they mean Manchester NH at one end but don't say so
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MAN on the other hand gives connections to German and Scandinavian routes via LH/SK and Toronto with AC, as well as BD's own Caribbean routes + LAS and ORD. If BD hadn't sabotaged IAD to open Riyadh that would be there too.
(incidentally, bmi's timetable offers "Manchester to Manchester" via IAD, but they mean Manchester NH at one end but don't say so
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I finally managed to locate where the guys on the other airports' threads get their statistics from.
Unfortunately, as it's CAA information, I could only find the numbers on UK routes. For whatever reason, the numbers don't include Plymouth.
Anyway, these are the figures for passengers to/from Cork in July
Belfast 3,048
Birmingham 10,311
Bristol 1,162
Cardiff 3,058
Edinburgh 3,397
Gatwick 16,653
Glasgow 1,481
Heathrow 42,844
Jersey 481
Leeds/Bradford 882
Liverpool 8,251
Manchester 11,183
Nottingham EMA 5,195
Southampton 1,536
Stansted 41,893
They support my point about the frequency of Manchester flights compared to Belfast and Birmingham.
Unfortunately, as it's CAA information, I could only find the numbers on UK routes. For whatever reason, the numbers don't include Plymouth.
Anyway, these are the figures for passengers to/from Cork in July
Belfast 3,048
Birmingham 10,311
Bristol 1,162
Cardiff 3,058
Edinburgh 3,397
Gatwick 16,653
Glasgow 1,481
Heathrow 42,844
Jersey 481
Leeds/Bradford 882
Liverpool 8,251
Manchester 11,183
Nottingham EMA 5,195
Southampton 1,536
Stansted 41,893
They support my point about the frequency of Manchester flights compared to Belfast and Birmingham.