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Assigning the Faro rotations systemwide would imply that there are profitable routes out of Dublin to use them on. There are routes ex-Dublin (e.g. Toulouse) that are being abandoned for the Winter.
It's more likely that the aircraft would just be laid up until next summer.
It's more likely that the aircraft would just be laid up until next summer.
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Parking up aeroplanes for the winter is no way to do business? Just like parking up the BAe 146s in Arizona last year. That must have been costly enough never mind going down the road of parking up brand new A320s! As for the Cork - Faro rotations well an easy solution would be as you suggest - up AMS by one and AGP by two? There would sure be far more money in that than parking but for what it is worth it must be nuts sending over A320s to a lot of regional UK routes ex DUB notwithstanding the all ready announced winter cancellation of DUB-TLS?
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have heard from a close friend in ei that cork-warsaw has been confirmed for winter 2 days a week (replacing ork-fao).
Looks like flt will operate in the am with their agp flt returning to an afternoon departure, as for their other services they are keeping the evening flt to lhr so looks like a price war on the cork-london route between the 3 airline sservicing the city.
good luck to js at noc (their gain without a doubt)
Looks like flt will operate in the am with their agp flt returning to an afternoon departure, as for their other services they are keeping the evening flt to lhr so looks like a price war on the cork-london route between the 3 airline sservicing the city.
good luck to js at noc (their gain without a doubt)
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ttt, i wonder do you know what you are talking about at all most of the time? JS had nothing to do with the brussels route ex ork whatsoever! It was actually confirmed after he left!
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Fill us in Tom - on the Sunday Tribune. Don;t be shy - this is a PPRUNE after all.
JS was responsible for the SN flights - they were talking to him since Routes '03.
JS was responsible for the SN flights - they were talking to him since Routes '03.
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Go to your nearest public library and ask 'em to dig out the four editions of The Sunday Tribune for last February - you will find what you are looking for in one of 'em. Forgotten which one.
The article was unhelpful and it must have p!55ed off easyJet? Far too much ol' guff.
As for the securing of the SN Brussels Airlines BRU-ORK a gentle reaffirmation is necessary: Hats off to John Smyth for the achievement!
The article was unhelpful and it must have p!55ed off easyJet? Far too much ol' guff.
As for the securing of the SN Brussels Airlines BRU-ORK a gentle reaffirmation is necessary: Hats off to John Smyth for the achievement!
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Cork Airport has been caught out again today. This morning's announcements of new Ryanair services from snn to Bristol and Nantes are a fresh kick in the teeth.
Both Bristol and especially Nantes were there for the taking by Cork Airport. Jetmagic's most succesful route was Nantes so there is no acceptable excuse not to have found a replacement carrier and Bristol - Cork by a 737 is about 30 mins. BRS would have been such a limited risk for easyJet to try?
Two lost opportunities. The RE to BRS hardly counts - they wrecked that themselves. RE must be looking ahead to big headaches now?
The past week has seen Warsaw, Bristol and Nantes announcements from and to Shannon.
Cork Airport 0 : 3 Shannon Airport.
Time again to wheel out Noel O'Flynn TD (MP), the Great Airbridge Man to save the day!
Both Bristol and especially Nantes were there for the taking by Cork Airport. Jetmagic's most succesful route was Nantes so there is no acceptable excuse not to have found a replacement carrier and Bristol - Cork by a 737 is about 30 mins. BRS would have been such a limited risk for easyJet to try?
Two lost opportunities. The RE to BRS hardly counts - they wrecked that themselves. RE must be looking ahead to big headaches now?
The past week has seen Warsaw, Bristol and Nantes announcements from and to Shannon.
Cork Airport 0 : 3 Shannon Airport.
Time again to wheel out Noel O'Flynn TD (MP), the Great Airbridge Man to save the day!
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have you been following the ORK v SNN hairpulling on flyinginireland.com?
At the end of the day, while I use and appreciate both airports, when you subtract transit pax SNN has about 1.8m pax to ORK's 2m+
Making scorecards of routes won/lost only plays in MOL's hands when he tries to give ORK the same screwing he is giving SNN.
have you been following the ORK v SNN hairpulling on flyinginireland.com?
At the end of the day, while I use and appreciate both airports, when you subtract transit pax SNN has about 1.8m pax to ORK's 2m+
Making scorecards of routes won/lost only plays in MOL's hands when he tries to give ORK the same screwing he is giving SNN.
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FR are now consolidating their position at snn and as long as they get 2 euro per pax kickback on top of whatever fare they charge they will be searching high and low throughout Europe for more routes.
Snn is so centrally positioned it can draw easily from the entire western seaboard, parts of the midlands, Munster and is certainly attracting a lot of Cork passengers on certain routes.
However, it remains an unlevel playing field doesn't it? The smell of the State inspired stopover remains in place at snn making it impossible for Cork to go after new scheduled services to America.
The stopover means one hand stays tied behind Cork's back and does Cork kick up about it? No! All happy to be one happy airport family giving away traffic to snn is so many ways.
Snn has had a long history of attracting the German tourist, that is conceded but when a solid route to Nantes from Cork is allowed to slip through her fingers to snn it must be asked what is happening?
Why is Cork Airport in this state of affairs?
Snn is so centrally positioned it can draw easily from the entire western seaboard, parts of the midlands, Munster and is certainly attracting a lot of Cork passengers on certain routes.
However, it remains an unlevel playing field doesn't it? The smell of the State inspired stopover remains in place at snn making it impossible for Cork to go after new scheduled services to America.
The stopover means one hand stays tied behind Cork's back and does Cork kick up about it? No! All happy to be one happy airport family giving away traffic to snn is so many ways.
Snn has had a long history of attracting the German tourist, that is conceded but when a solid route to Nantes from Cork is allowed to slip through her fingers to snn it must be asked what is happening?
Why is Cork Airport in this state of affairs?
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Good that a CEO has at last been appointed at Cork Airport!
Looking forward to hearing more details about Mr Keohane, his business history and any past experience he may have of dealing with semi state bodies and the like. Any past experience or interest in aviation?
The best of luck to him in his new challenging role at Cork Airport!
Working agenda? (i) completion of new terminal, (ii) more ramp, (iii) CATIII ILS, (iv) more concrete on the runway?
To have the operational and business interests of Cork Airport at heart.
Looking forward to hearing more details about Mr Keohane, his business history and any past experience he may have of dealing with semi state bodies and the like. Any past experience or interest in aviation?
The best of luck to him in his new challenging role at Cork Airport!
Working agenda? (i) completion of new terminal, (ii) more ramp, (iii) CATIII ILS, (iv) more concrete on the runway?
To have the operational and business interests of Cork Airport at heart.
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I know him. No aviation exp. Little general management experience in such a unionised and regulated environment.
The salary package was poor for such a big appt and scared off better candidates. Should have hired Seamus Kearney.
Keohane - golf club acquaintance, trainee Cork merchant prince and yes man for the Chairman I would think.
Just been told we cannot park a bizjet 2nt at ORK. Is that really true that the ramp is full? Seems crazy. Never heard of such a thing.
The salary package was poor for such a big appt and scared off better candidates. Should have hired Seamus Kearney.
Keohane - golf club acquaintance, trainee Cork merchant prince and yes man for the Chairman I would think.
Just been told we cannot park a bizjet 2nt at ORK. Is that really true that the ramp is full? Seems crazy. Never heard of such a thing.
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Cork bound bizjets in summertime looking for an overnight stay after disemarking their VIP passengers park remotely - mostly at Shannon!
The ramp at Cork can be pretty jammed with airliners late on a Thursday evening.
The Canadian Prime Minister's Airbus A310 stayed overnight on 22nd June.
Cead mile failte go Corcaigh!
The ramp at Cork can be pretty jammed with airliners late on a Thursday evening.
The Canadian Prime Minister's Airbus A310 stayed overnight on 22nd June.
Cead mile failte go Corcaigh!
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I cant see a CAT3 Fitted,no way,airlines wont pay,insurance reason a stinger and the thought of having pylons suspended from runway 17,i doubt it,tink d rad alt wont be accurate enough due to terrain on app,runway 35? the weather is always good when that is in use.extend 25!! thats my idea!!
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There appears to be a growing sense of foreboding elsewhere on this forum about easyJet's possible intention of quitting their operations from LGW to Cork, Knock and snn.
It seems the Irish operation is being looked at as a whole by easyJet - is this the case? If so, why should easyJet have such a surely flawed policy? Any route should succeed or fail on it's own merits and not have to be looked on as a part of a block of a number of particular routes? What credibility does a theory like this have?
Yes, it looks like easyJet are being beaten by Ryanair at snn but why should it follow that the other parts of an Irish operation should also be brought down when there is popularity, especially in Cork, for the easyJet product?
Ryanair have never had much respect for Cork Airport. No later than last week or so O'Leary was flinging out shocking insults at Cork Airport and her new terminal buildings, running us down in the kind of nasty way Ryanair do best.
Is easyJet going to allow itself to be bullied into submission by Ryanair at an airport which it (Ryanair) despises? I know little about beancounting but I understand shareholders expect a return on their investment and that is fine. Well, why does easyJet not just get on with it at Cork Airport and serve both it's shareholders and it's LGW-ORK customers who have said 'Yes' to easyJet?
Sure, Cork Airport has been quietly deaf and dumb - at times it seems as if there is no eye at all on the ball but for God's sake this time more than any other it is proper to put Cork and Cork Airport first above all and save this route to Gatwick.
This is it, this is the bottom line for Cork Airport. Save Cork Airport's gateway to Gatwick and everything that means or just lie down and die and let yourself be more and more humiliated by Ryanair and Shannon Airport.
This is Cork Airport's end game. No one, no new CEO or anyone else or anything else such as the new terminal or even a runway extension will ever mean one jot if Cork Airport is brought so close to it's knees by such a failure.
It seems the Irish operation is being looked at as a whole by easyJet - is this the case? If so, why should easyJet have such a surely flawed policy? Any route should succeed or fail on it's own merits and not have to be looked on as a part of a block of a number of particular routes? What credibility does a theory like this have?
Yes, it looks like easyJet are being beaten by Ryanair at snn but why should it follow that the other parts of an Irish operation should also be brought down when there is popularity, especially in Cork, for the easyJet product?
Ryanair have never had much respect for Cork Airport. No later than last week or so O'Leary was flinging out shocking insults at Cork Airport and her new terminal buildings, running us down in the kind of nasty way Ryanair do best.
Is easyJet going to allow itself to be bullied into submission by Ryanair at an airport which it (Ryanair) despises? I know little about beancounting but I understand shareholders expect a return on their investment and that is fine. Well, why does easyJet not just get on with it at Cork Airport and serve both it's shareholders and it's LGW-ORK customers who have said 'Yes' to easyJet?
Sure, Cork Airport has been quietly deaf and dumb - at times it seems as if there is no eye at all on the ball but for God's sake this time more than any other it is proper to put Cork and Cork Airport first above all and save this route to Gatwick.
This is it, this is the bottom line for Cork Airport. Save Cork Airport's gateway to Gatwick and everything that means or just lie down and die and let yourself be more and more humiliated by Ryanair and Shannon Airport.
This is Cork Airport's end game. No one, no new CEO or anyone else or anything else such as the new terminal or even a runway extension will ever mean one jot if Cork Airport is brought so close to it's knees by such a failure.