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Such a shame.
Eirjet have taken over the majority of Falcon/JWT flights this summer from Cork and Shannon. Last year, First Choice Airways were operating these flights using a based A320, with Cork-based crew and Canadian Skyservice flight deck crew. The flights were a resounding success with the customers, gaining the highest satisfaction scores from FCA passengers across all of the company's bases, and also the highest onboard sales. The customers loved the crew and the onboard experience. Yes, there were some delays due to weather and the odd technical hitch, but no more than usual over a summer period.
Unfortunately, the company decided not to return to Cork this summer. Whether or not that was to do with Cork airport management (rumour has it there was no assistance from Aer Rianta in setting up the base, and that the airline was charged to the hilt from catering, rent etc. - bars had to be shipped from Shannon) or if it was a Falcon decision not to use FCA again, we don't know.
Certainly wouldn't have been the debacle of Eirjet though. I hope that Falcon don't lose any passengers over this.
Eirjet have taken over the majority of Falcon/JWT flights this summer from Cork and Shannon. Last year, First Choice Airways were operating these flights using a based A320, with Cork-based crew and Canadian Skyservice flight deck crew. The flights were a resounding success with the customers, gaining the highest satisfaction scores from FCA passengers across all of the company's bases, and also the highest onboard sales. The customers loved the crew and the onboard experience. Yes, there were some delays due to weather and the odd technical hitch, but no more than usual over a summer period.
Unfortunately, the company decided not to return to Cork this summer. Whether or not that was to do with Cork airport management (rumour has it there was no assistance from Aer Rianta in setting up the base, and that the airline was charged to the hilt from catering, rent etc. - bars had to be shipped from Shannon) or if it was a Falcon decision not to use FCA again, we don't know.
Certainly wouldn't have been the debacle of Eirjet though. I hope that Falcon don't lose any passengers over this.
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Things are going far better for Eirjet at Cork this weekend. Once again an Omni 757 has been hired in and got off more on less on time for Verona.
Later, this evening should see the arrival of an Aeroflight A321 for the flight to Crete. Eirjet were scurrying around like mad last night trying to grab up hotel accomodation for crews.
It is now confirmed that Eirjet's next aircraft, A320, EI-DKG will be delivered on next Monday. The aircraft is ex 6Y-JMG of Air Jamaica and the aeroplane should be in the colours of her former operator so all the photographers should be well pleased.
Shows you what a week or two of agitation can achieve?? No more Onejet!
It has been an interesting week at Cork. The Canadian Prime Minister arrived in Cork on Wednesday evening aboard CanForce 1, an A310-300 of the Canadian Armed Forces for services at the 20th anniversary of the Air India disaster.
The Prime Minister stayed about 21 hours (!) in the Cork area before flying out again directly to Ottawa aboard the Canadian Forces A310-300, a great circle distance of 3,001 miles!
No problems there with the Cork runway! Would have had to take on about 35 tonnes of fuel or so at Cork for the flight to Ottawa?
Last Tuesday saw five bizjets in Cork around the same time. None overnighted. Cannot help thinking if Cork's policy of not welcoming corporate aircraft to overnight has anything to do with this state of affairs?
There must be a lot of revenue being lost to Cork Airport here when no bizjets are welcome to overnight? The kind of revenue that would help pay for an ILS CATIII and more ramp and parking space?
It is time to manage Cork Airport as a business and not the holiday camp it was for so many decades.
Jetsetter, last year some of the FCA/Skyservice flights ex snn had some Cork bars so it would have worked out even enough in the end.
Just got some bad news! It would have to happen. A Futura flight has gone tech in Las Palmas due out to Cork and the outbound pax ex Cork are what - being bussed to Shannon.
Just had to happen to Cork pax, didn't it!
Later, this evening should see the arrival of an Aeroflight A321 for the flight to Crete. Eirjet were scurrying around like mad last night trying to grab up hotel accomodation for crews.
It is now confirmed that Eirjet's next aircraft, A320, EI-DKG will be delivered on next Monday. The aircraft is ex 6Y-JMG of Air Jamaica and the aeroplane should be in the colours of her former operator so all the photographers should be well pleased.
Shows you what a week or two of agitation can achieve?? No more Onejet!
It has been an interesting week at Cork. The Canadian Prime Minister arrived in Cork on Wednesday evening aboard CanForce 1, an A310-300 of the Canadian Armed Forces for services at the 20th anniversary of the Air India disaster.
The Prime Minister stayed about 21 hours (!) in the Cork area before flying out again directly to Ottawa aboard the Canadian Forces A310-300, a great circle distance of 3,001 miles!
No problems there with the Cork runway! Would have had to take on about 35 tonnes of fuel or so at Cork for the flight to Ottawa?
Last Tuesday saw five bizjets in Cork around the same time. None overnighted. Cannot help thinking if Cork's policy of not welcoming corporate aircraft to overnight has anything to do with this state of affairs?
There must be a lot of revenue being lost to Cork Airport here when no bizjets are welcome to overnight? The kind of revenue that would help pay for an ILS CATIII and more ramp and parking space?
It is time to manage Cork Airport as a business and not the holiday camp it was for so many decades.
Jetsetter, last year some of the FCA/Skyservice flights ex snn had some Cork bars so it would have worked out even enough in the end.
Just got some bad news! It would have to happen. A Futura flight has gone tech in Las Palmas due out to Cork and the outbound pax ex Cork are what - being bussed to Shannon.
Just had to happen to Cork pax, didn't it!
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The latest is that Futura were to position in an aircraft from AGP at 1730 local to Cork to operate the FUA1216 out to Las Palmas to arrive back in Cork again at 0330.
Hope it works out. Weather becoming quite murky now again at Cork.
Hope it works out. Weather becoming quite murky now again at Cork.
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Tom,
I hate to disagree, but ALL of the FCA bars from Cork last year were shipped from Shannon by road to Cork. There was no bonded warehouse facility available in Cork Airport for First Choice to use, so the only facility from Cork was Alpha Catering. At the start of the summer, bars were shipped down from Dublin, using FCA's bond there. An agreement was then reached with Aer Rianta Shannon to use the bonded store there.
Cheers.
I hate to disagree, but ALL of the FCA bars from Cork last year were shipped from Shannon by road to Cork. There was no bonded warehouse facility available in Cork Airport for First Choice to use, so the only facility from Cork was Alpha Catering. At the start of the summer, bars were shipped down from Dublin, using FCA's bond there. An agreement was then reached with Aer Rianta Shannon to use the bonded store there.
Cheers.
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Thank you for your update, Jetsetter. The remarks in your original post about the bars were well talked about last week! It had been thought that snn were doing sweet deals with FCA but that some of the snn bars had come from Cork. Thanks for the correction.
The long days must have been pretty grim last year on days the crews were coached up for the duty ex snn?
At least we still have a FCA presence of sorts at Cork this summer on a Tuesday with the Canadian 757 crews on an inbound W from Palma and back out again.
The Aeroflight A321 was in the end not required at Cork as EIR brought in their own aeroplane, EI-DIJ.
Cork was unbelievably busy yesterday - it was great, of course, to bear witness to the drama of it all but might have been a kind of hell for the pax. The screening queue stretched back as far as the bar. Wonder might it have been Cork's busiest day yet?
Airport Policemen on point duty on some of the roundabouts doing a flow control! He, he!
The long days must have been pretty grim last year on days the crews were coached up for the duty ex snn?
At least we still have a FCA presence of sorts at Cork this summer on a Tuesday with the Canadian 757 crews on an inbound W from Palma and back out again.
The Aeroflight A321 was in the end not required at Cork as EIR brought in their own aeroplane, EI-DIJ.
Cork was unbelievably busy yesterday - it was great, of course, to bear witness to the drama of it all but might have been a kind of hell for the pax. The screening queue stretched back as far as the bar. Wonder might it have been Cork's busiest day yet?
Airport Policemen on point duty on some of the roundabouts doing a flow control! He, he!
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Well as I type here at 8.15pm it aint quiet up there either this Monday evening
Just out the back here soaking the sun and on the net.
For 3 minutes I thought I must have been in windsor on the flight path into LHR instead of the path into ORK.
In the afore mentioned time space 4 aircraft one after the other passed over on finals into ORK!!!
1 WW, strange looking 757 I think, strange looking 737-500 (i'd say 500 anyway) and a EI bus.
All I could think of the poor PAX waiting for their bags in the hall!!
Just out the back here soaking the sun and on the net.
For 3 minutes I thought I must have been in windsor on the flight path into LHR instead of the path into ORK.
In the afore mentioned time space 4 aircraft one after the other passed over on finals into ORK!!!
1 WW, strange looking 757 I think, strange looking 737-500 (i'd say 500 anyway) and a EI bus.
All I could think of the poor PAX waiting for their bags in the hall!!
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I heard a funny one at Cork yesterday. Watched a girl ask a spotter what was he doing as he got out his scanner and binoculars.
Well, young lady, says the spotter, we are spies for the CIA (Omni 757 on ramp at time!). Yez are not says she!
No, you're right, says the spotter, we are tuning in to Duffys Circus and it's all free entertainment!
Well, young lady, says the spotter, we are spies for the CIA (Omni 757 on ramp at time!). Yez are not says she!
No, you're right, says the spotter, we are tuning in to Duffys Circus and it's all free entertainment!
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lol TTT!!!!!
Quick one for anyone here???
Was out for a walk after I posted my last post. Thought my eye sight was paying tricks on me but she spotted it as well. At night/dull evening I can see the runway approach lights and make out the bare top of the control tower from where we walk.
Whay ever way we looked we could see an aircraft manovering above at the airport!!!! Have never seen an aircraft up there from where we were, cuse obviously they are not big enough. But this was clear as day!!!
trying to figure out what it might have been?? 747??
It must have been something big to say that we could see it. Looking at the arrival/departures on the site. The only movement to me that may look out of place is this one?
BURGAS FB7491 27/06/2005 20:00 ARRIVED 2000
Any idea what sort of aircraft this was??
Quick one for anyone here???
Was out for a walk after I posted my last post. Thought my eye sight was paying tricks on me but she spotted it as well. At night/dull evening I can see the runway approach lights and make out the bare top of the control tower from where we walk.
Whay ever way we looked we could see an aircraft manovering above at the airport!!!! Have never seen an aircraft up there from where we were, cuse obviously they are not big enough. But this was clear as day!!!
trying to figure out what it might have been?? 747??
It must have been something big to say that we could see it. Looking at the arrival/departures on the site. The only movement to me that may look out of place is this one?
BURGAS FB7491 27/06/2005 20:00 ARRIVED 2000
Any idea what sort of aircraft this was??
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Significantly bad news on the way down the line for Cork Airport.
If evidence was needed that Cork is screwed without the presence of John Smyth it is now all there.
Are things are likely to get worse? Very likely!
Whom is in charge at Cork Airport? It seems as if there is little command or control?
Cork Airport has lost out a new route. Central Wings of Poland are to begin a new Warsaw to Shannon service later in the year.
This is a huge failure by Cork Airport and it's servants. Makes you wonder what other business is being lost?
Cork Airport now has next to nil credibility.
Cork Airport is a disgrace both physically and spiritually.
If evidence was needed that Cork is screwed without the presence of John Smyth it is now all there.
Are things are likely to get worse? Very likely!
Whom is in charge at Cork Airport? It seems as if there is little command or control?
Cork Airport has lost out a new route. Central Wings of Poland are to begin a new Warsaw to Shannon service later in the year.
This is a huge failure by Cork Airport and it's servants. Makes you wonder what other business is being lost?
Cork Airport now has next to nil credibility.
Cork Airport is a disgrace both physically and spiritually.
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Tom,
It was only a matter of time before SNN got a service to Poland. There are currently more than 3,000 Poles in Limerick city and recently Ireland's first ever Polish pub opened there. Polish publications are also in circulation in the region and I'm sure there will be strong demand for the SNN-WAW services.
It was only a matter of time before SNN got a service to Poland. There are currently more than 3,000 Poles in Limerick city and recently Ireland's first ever Polish pub opened there. Polish publications are also in circulation in the region and I'm sure there will be strong demand for the SNN-WAW services.
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One unexpected but nevertheless welcome bit of good news is the signifcant increase in Ryanair services from Stansted to Cork starting with the introduction of the upcoming winter schedule.
Ryanair Stansted Cork will increase from 4 to 6 daily services! At first I thought this a little bizarre but thinking about it somehow makes sense. My family and friends in the London area come over regularly and a few times in recent weeks I have been checking availability and on a good number of times I have found just two or so flights available on certain days indicating the other flights are full?
However, I wonder if Ryanair have missed an opportunity not to try a new route from Luton to Cork? I am sure a potential new route like this would attract some kinds of incentives at both Cork and Luton Airports?
Well, if Ryanair are not interested in LTN-ORK maybe easyjet may be temped to give it a go? I mean, why not?
The biggest surprise of this season to date is the relative success of Ryanair Liverpool-Cork. A cousin has family in the Liverpool area and he has flown the flight now about 4 times since the start and all the loads on his flights have been strong.
This is mind boggling when you think of some of the light loads poor Jetmagic used to have on the route and they had some pretty good fares on offer too at the time!
Long may FR LPL-ORK survive. A nice little extra it has been!
Eirjet are in a pickle of sorts again tonight. A hired in Omni International 757 has gone tech in Verona that was bound for Cork and the passengers have been put up in hotels for the night.
Coincidentally, (almost like Continental that!?) Omni sent in a second 757 this evening to Cork on a another EIR hire in from Palma so nice to see a bit of variety there. Cork has been doing well for itself with 757s with so many EIR and Lourdes flights being operated by 757s, she being the new Queen of the Skies n' all but it would be just the icing on the cake if only the Omni DC-10 at Dublin decided to give us all a visit here at Cork. Afterall, the Air Afrique DC-10 had no problem some years ago! Guess, this wish is more in hope than anticipation!
Ryanair Stansted Cork will increase from 4 to 6 daily services! At first I thought this a little bizarre but thinking about it somehow makes sense. My family and friends in the London area come over regularly and a few times in recent weeks I have been checking availability and on a good number of times I have found just two or so flights available on certain days indicating the other flights are full?
However, I wonder if Ryanair have missed an opportunity not to try a new route from Luton to Cork? I am sure a potential new route like this would attract some kinds of incentives at both Cork and Luton Airports?
Well, if Ryanair are not interested in LTN-ORK maybe easyjet may be temped to give it a go? I mean, why not?
The biggest surprise of this season to date is the relative success of Ryanair Liverpool-Cork. A cousin has family in the Liverpool area and he has flown the flight now about 4 times since the start and all the loads on his flights have been strong.
This is mind boggling when you think of some of the light loads poor Jetmagic used to have on the route and they had some pretty good fares on offer too at the time!
Long may FR LPL-ORK survive. A nice little extra it has been!
Eirjet are in a pickle of sorts again tonight. A hired in Omni International 757 has gone tech in Verona that was bound for Cork and the passengers have been put up in hotels for the night.
Coincidentally, (almost like Continental that!?) Omni sent in a second 757 this evening to Cork on a another EIR hire in from Palma so nice to see a bit of variety there. Cork has been doing well for itself with 757s with so many EIR and Lourdes flights being operated by 757s, she being the new Queen of the Skies n' all but it would be just the icing on the cake if only the Omni DC-10 at Dublin decided to give us all a visit here at Cork. Afterall, the Air Afrique DC-10 had no problem some years ago! Guess, this wish is more in hope than anticipation!
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Well, some of the Eirjet hired in aircraft had problems over the weekend. The Omni 757 that went to Verona from Cork on Saturday did not get back until about 10 pm Sunday night! Not sure if it was a technical problem or if the crew went out of hours? The aeroplane has since headed off again to Zaykyntos many hours late!
The second hired in Omni 757 that arrived in Cork for the first time on Saturday evening from Palma also ran into problems at some point over the weekend and I understand she is currently receiving attention to her windshield at Frankfurt.
At least the weekend saw the arrival at Cork of the newly delivered second Eirjet A320. Still very much painted up in the colourful scheme of her former operator, Air Jamaica, but with Eirjet titles, she brightened up the cold and wintery ramp ramp on Sunday morning before heading off to sunnier climes at AGP.
Ryanair had a big delay too on Sunday evening. The FR907 was three hours late and did not make it to Cork until 00.05 hours Monday am. Anyone know the cause? We had friends on the outbound FR908 so it has been quite a grueler of an evening for them with one of the party being in her 85th year.
An easy option for EI would be to go double daily to AMS on at least 4 or 5 evenings a week and to go fully daily on AGP.
Let's get the simple things right first? Any more news on how the EI study of the Cork PCNs is going? Dare we dream that we may one day see an EI A330 boarding at Cork for New York?
The second hired in Omni 757 that arrived in Cork for the first time on Saturday evening from Palma also ran into problems at some point over the weekend and I understand she is currently receiving attention to her windshield at Frankfurt.
At least the weekend saw the arrival at Cork of the newly delivered second Eirjet A320. Still very much painted up in the colourful scheme of her former operator, Air Jamaica, but with Eirjet titles, she brightened up the cold and wintery ramp ramp on Sunday morning before heading off to sunnier climes at AGP.
Ryanair had a big delay too on Sunday evening. The FR907 was three hours late and did not make it to Cork until 00.05 hours Monday am. Anyone know the cause? We had friends on the outbound FR908 so it has been quite a grueler of an evening for them with one of the party being in her 85th year.
An easy option for EI would be to go double daily to AMS on at least 4 or 5 evenings a week and to go fully daily on AGP.
Let's get the simple things right first? Any more news on how the EI study of the Cork PCNs is going? Dare we dream that we may one day see an EI A330 boarding at Cork for New York?
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ryanair ork liverpool
Yeah i agree with ttt, ive been on the fr ork liverpool flight a few times going to liverpool and onwards to milan( bizare connecting hub ehhh...) and the flight was jammers. it was a surprize really as i thought the timing was nt suited to the football brigade but well done to them, will be on it again next week so ill watch out., i saw first hand how bad the jetmagic loads were, so its good to see that with the right company having an identity at both ends of the route will work. on another issue i saw that omni 757 in verona the other day, was wondering what it was doing there it was closed up most of the day, did nt look like there was any tech work going on so i guess it may have been a crew thing.?? little did i know it was heading to cork!! would have jumped on as iam sick of the pasta!!
iam also interested in any news on new routes from cork for winter am glad to hear that fr are increasing the stn frequency,, that will be handy,.... any info on replacement for js???
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ej
iam also interested in any news on new routes from cork for winter am glad to hear that fr are increasing the stn frequency,, that will be handy,.... any info on replacement for js???
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Looking at what Aer Lingus are actually selling out of Cork for the Winter at the moment [not the most reliable, I know], it looks like Munich is down from 3x weekly to 2x weekly. Rome is up from 2x weekly to 3x weekly. Faro is gone. All other routes have the same frequency, but some have different days.
That would seem to free up 3 aircraft rotations for other routes.
As for the routes suggested by others.
Madrid: It would struggle to attract enough volumes in its own right. However, give it an Iberia code share and timings that would suit connections to Iberia's intercontinental network (and Spanish regional), it has potential.
Warsaw: There's certainly enough Poles living in Munster to support flights to Warsaw. However, I'm not sure that services to both Cork and Shannon could work.
Amsterdam: I've flown on the Friday evening flight from Amsterdam a number of times recently. It always seems to be 85-90% full. Judging by the prices Aer Lingus are charging , the Cork-Amsterdam leg is even fuller. However, when Amsterdam was a 2x daily route previously, the evening flights struggled to perform in Winter. The addition of a Sunday evening service would probably suffice.
Malaga: Could almost certainly fill the extra capacity if it went daily.
The route I'd really like to see brought back from Cork is Frankfurt, but I can't imagine that Aer Lingus will be the airline to do it.
As regards the extra Ryanair flights. I know they're gunning for Easyjet, but the biggest impact this will have is on Ryanair's loads and yields. The choice of airport for people flying to/from London is often based as much on geography as price. I would never fly anywhere other than Heathrow when visiting my sister in Hounslow. Similarly, there are a lot of people in South London/Sussex who will use Gatwick regardless of how cheap Ryanair are. It would have been a lot more interesting if the extra flights had been to/from Luton.
Off topic completely: How are VLM's Cork-Jersay flights doing? They're an airline I'd love to see a lot more of in Cork. They're also the best chance of getting a London City service back.
That would seem to free up 3 aircraft rotations for other routes.
As for the routes suggested by others.
Madrid: It would struggle to attract enough volumes in its own right. However, give it an Iberia code share and timings that would suit connections to Iberia's intercontinental network (and Spanish regional), it has potential.
Warsaw: There's certainly enough Poles living in Munster to support flights to Warsaw. However, I'm not sure that services to both Cork and Shannon could work.
Amsterdam: I've flown on the Friday evening flight from Amsterdam a number of times recently. It always seems to be 85-90% full. Judging by the prices Aer Lingus are charging , the Cork-Amsterdam leg is even fuller. However, when Amsterdam was a 2x daily route previously, the evening flights struggled to perform in Winter. The addition of a Sunday evening service would probably suffice.
Malaga: Could almost certainly fill the extra capacity if it went daily.
The route I'd really like to see brought back from Cork is Frankfurt, but I can't imagine that Aer Lingus will be the airline to do it.
As regards the extra Ryanair flights. I know they're gunning for Easyjet, but the biggest impact this will have is on Ryanair's loads and yields. The choice of airport for people flying to/from London is often based as much on geography as price. I would never fly anywhere other than Heathrow when visiting my sister in Hounslow. Similarly, there are a lot of people in South London/Sussex who will use Gatwick regardless of how cheap Ryanair are. It would have been a lot more interesting if the extra flights had been to/from Luton.
Off topic completely: How are VLM's Cork-Jersay flights doing? They're an airline I'd love to see a lot more of in Cork. They're also the best chance of getting a London City service back.
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Aer Lingus is presently like Cork in many ways, no one has been in charge there now for some time? Cork is just as likely to have a new transatlantic A330 service soon just as much as you might see an EI pull out from AMS, CDG, FCO etc, etc. No one knows what is going in EI at the moment!
EI have failed to make any money this year so whatever the ills there may or may not be in Cork there is far more going wrong elsewhere in the airline too. For example, unlike last year when all EI flights ex snn to America were jammed the loads this year have not been near as good. AA from Boston and a surprise flourishing of US snn bound charters may be contributing to this state of affairs? Snn-lhr has not been too hot either this year and there have been some very low fares on offer! The crazy situation with regard to the successful Dublin Orlando route and the proposed dropping of the service next January is another indication of how all at sea EI is just now. Mind you, the stopover issue is a factor too with Orlando? That stopover again!
So, saying EI senior staff are not the least bit happy with Cork currently is just one part of the many other ills the airline has in 2005?
EI have failed to make any money this year so whatever the ills there may or may not be in Cork there is far more going wrong elsewhere in the airline too. For example, unlike last year when all EI flights ex snn to America were jammed the loads this year have not been near as good. AA from Boston and a surprise flourishing of US snn bound charters may be contributing to this state of affairs? Snn-lhr has not been too hot either this year and there have been some very low fares on offer! The crazy situation with regard to the successful Dublin Orlando route and the proposed dropping of the service next January is another indication of how all at sea EI is just now. Mind you, the stopover issue is a factor too with Orlando? That stopover again!
So, saying EI senior staff are not the least bit happy with Cork currently is just one part of the many other ills the airline has in 2005?
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Should have reported yesterday that the first SN Brussels Airlines flight SN2007 from Brussels to Cork arrived just after 4 pm. The flight was operated by an RJ85 aircraft and the frequency will be two flights weekly for a few months during the summer months. Very nice she looked in the warm afternoon sun. Hats off again to John Smyth for this achievement.