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Coventry (CVT) happenings
I hope it is ok to start a CVT thread, as what is going on here is not always directly related to TOM.
On the good side:
TOM just announced 1m pax - although they are keeping this very quiet at the moment locally.
Support for the airport growing amongst a range of individuals, small and large businesses. Support now includes many people living in same areas where majority of complaints have come from, and messages of support from as far away as California, Japan, Spain and the Netherlands.
Flights to BCN launched on 10th Feb.
Not so good:
The half-wits at Warwick District Council have just voted to refuse the airport's offer of a Section 106 agreement - something the airport first offered to produce back in August. http://tinyurl.com/3w49j
Warwick District Council now estimate airport inquiry will cost their taxpayers upto £1m (today's Leamington Courier).
Possibly good:
"The leader of the council says the legal costs are "worrying" and he concedes that there may come a point where the costs become too great to continue fighting the airports plans"
If only they had entered negotiations earlier, instead of being completely intransigent, then they could have saved everyone a great deal of bother, and none of these ridiculous costs would have been necessary.
Rugby Borough Council also have a certain amount of explaining to do, as they too are spending a fortune on legal fees to be present here, yet very few of their residents are actually affected.
I hope this is a wake up call to the constituents of Warwick & Leamington, and of Rugby & Kenilworth, who need to start demanding a better quality of debate from the current gaggle of candidates they have, all of whom are on record as being in support of WDC's actions.
On the good side:
TOM just announced 1m pax - although they are keeping this very quiet at the moment locally.
Support for the airport growing amongst a range of individuals, small and large businesses. Support now includes many people living in same areas where majority of complaints have come from, and messages of support from as far away as California, Japan, Spain and the Netherlands.
Flights to BCN launched on 10th Feb.
Not so good:
The half-wits at Warwick District Council have just voted to refuse the airport's offer of a Section 106 agreement - something the airport first offered to produce back in August. http://tinyurl.com/3w49j
Warwick District Council now estimate airport inquiry will cost their taxpayers upto £1m (today's Leamington Courier).
Possibly good:
"The leader of the council says the legal costs are "worrying" and he concedes that there may come a point where the costs become too great to continue fighting the airports plans"
If only they had entered negotiations earlier, instead of being completely intransigent, then they could have saved everyone a great deal of bother, and none of these ridiculous costs would have been necessary.
Rugby Borough Council also have a certain amount of explaining to do, as they too are spending a fortune on legal fees to be present here, yet very few of their residents are actually affected.
I hope this is a wake up call to the constituents of Warwick & Leamington, and of Rugby & Kenilworth, who need to start demanding a better quality of debate from the current gaggle of candidates they have, all of whom are on record as being in support of WDC's actions.
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Ideally, Coventry airport need to attract a non-TUI airline, would they ever be able to persuade Ryanair to move across from Birmingham?
Coventrys runway is a similar length to Southamptons who handle Air Berlin B737-800s so Coventry should be able to take a RYR B738.
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Coventrys runway is a similar length to Southamptons who handle Air Berlin B737-800s so Coventry should be able to take a RYR B738.
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One small point of order:-
Its 1 million bookings of which 250000 are for DSA and BOH but all good news anyway.
Anyone know who to complain to re cost of enquiry.
Its 1 million bookings of which 250000 are for DSA and BOH but all good news anyway.
Anyone know who to complain to re cost of enquiry.
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> Anyone know who to complain to re cost of enquiry.
How far "sooth" are you? If you live in the area, I would certainly start with your local MP. If you are in Warwick District, I would complain straight to them, cc-ing your local councillors.
Local papers are finally starting to wake up to the lunacy of this campaign, and are discovering the true costs which are entailed. By all means contact them to explain your disquiet! Ask them why WDC haven't taken enforcement action about the illegal and libellous banners in Baginton which I am told DO break planning regs!
This is a total farce, which is rapidly developing into a public scandal.
Let us be clear about this (for any CVT detractors on the forum) - this is NOTHING to do with the environment (BHX is a much bigger source of noise in WDC), it is nothing to do with even trying to stop the passenger flights - their own chief planning officer said last year that they didn't want to do this.
It is ALL about petty agendas, and the false belief that they can control something virtually none of them understand. Had they entered negotiations about mitigation right at the start, they might have been able to have some control, whereas now it is all in the hands of the planning inspectorate, with an utterley pointless inquiry which is costing all tax payers (I think PINS is centrally funded?), and passengers (TUI's own lawyers won't come cheap) thousands of pounds per day.
> Anyone know who to complain to re cost of enquiry.
How far "sooth" are you? If you live in the area, I would certainly start with your local MP. If you are in Warwick District, I would complain straight to them, cc-ing your local councillors.
Local papers are finally starting to wake up to the lunacy of this campaign, and are discovering the true costs which are entailed. By all means contact them to explain your disquiet! Ask them why WDC haven't taken enforcement action about the illegal and libellous banners in Baginton which I am told DO break planning regs!
This is a total farce, which is rapidly developing into a public scandal.
Let us be clear about this (for any CVT detractors on the forum) - this is NOTHING to do with the environment (BHX is a much bigger source of noise in WDC), it is nothing to do with even trying to stop the passenger flights - their own chief planning officer said last year that they didn't want to do this.
It is ALL about petty agendas, and the false belief that they can control something virtually none of them understand. Had they entered negotiations about mitigation right at the start, they might have been able to have some control, whereas now it is all in the hands of the planning inspectorate, with an utterley pointless inquiry which is costing all tax payers (I think PINS is centrally funded?), and passengers (TUI's own lawyers won't come cheap) thousands of pounds per day.
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A non-TUI airline for CVT
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Why on earth would the TUI owned and operated Coventry airport invite Ryanair to operate from Coventry in direct competition to the now established Thomsonfly?
Why on earth would the TUI owned and operated Coventry airport invite Ryanair to operate from Coventry in direct competition to the now established Thomsonfly?
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Why on earth would the TUI owned and operated Coventry airport invite Ryanair to operate from Coventry in direct competition to the now established Thomsonfly?
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To repeat: TUI OWN COVENTRY.
Why would they invite/poach Ryanair into their own backyard? Already, I imagine, the invitation is winging it's way from Hannover to Dublin: "Dear MOL, come to our base and steal our business, love MF".
Why would they invite/poach Ryanair into their own backyard? Already, I imagine, the invitation is winging it's way from Hannover to Dublin: "Dear MOL, come to our base and steal our business, love MF".
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TUI don't own Coventry airport, they only have the lease of Coventry Airport (& I think Air Atlantic lease their bit of the airport)
Thomsonfly serve mainly big sunshine destination airports which Ryanair steer clear of so I honestly think that if RYR began flights from CVT, these would compliment Thomsonflys routes (& would possibly poach passengers from EMA & B'ham rather than Thomsonfly passengers). I was just using Ryanair as one example of an airline Coventry could try & attract, they previously operated from Coventry (in the days if the 1-11).
Also, it has been mentioned elsewhere that if TUI win the planning application, they may well look at selling the lease of Coventry & go back to just operating aircarft from there, would many people be willing to buy if Thomsonfly were the only (regular) passenger operator along with Atlantic & Emerald on the freight side (around 20 movements a day, not a large amount to pay landing fees, for ATC, etc.. & only around half of them bringing passengers in).
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Thomsonfly serve mainly big sunshine destination airports which Ryanair steer clear of so I honestly think that if RYR began flights from CVT, these would compliment Thomsonflys routes (& would possibly poach passengers from EMA & B'ham rather than Thomsonfly passengers). I was just using Ryanair as one example of an airline Coventry could try & attract, they previously operated from Coventry (in the days if the 1-11).
Also, it has been mentioned elsewhere that if TUI win the planning application, they may well look at selling the lease of Coventry & go back to just operating aircarft from there, would many people be willing to buy if Thomsonfly were the only (regular) passenger operator along with Atlantic & Emerald on the freight side (around 20 movements a day, not a large amount to pay landing fees, for ATC, etc.. & only around half of them bringing passengers in).
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I believe two Thomsonfly B737s flew Coventry to Bournemouth this week so CVT is back down to having four based aircraft. Should be a bit easier when it comes to overnight parking!
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Are Thomsonfly short of aircraft at Coventry at the mo' or just having good loads over easter?
I noticed a Boeing 757 (of Britannia) operating for Thomsonfly at Coventry yesterday afternoon & a Transavia B737-800 operating for Britannia (rather than TOM, an extra flight?) at Coventry this morning
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I noticed a Boeing 757 (of Britannia) operating for Thomsonfly at Coventry yesterday afternoon & a Transavia B737-800 operating for Britannia (rather than TOM, an extra flight?) at Coventry this morning
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I flew back from Amsterdam on good friday to CVT. The 737 we were supposed to be on was (According to the pilot) delayed in repairs so we were dumped on a spacious 757.
Landing was fun. The pilot apologised for the landing and made a comment about short runway!
Get that extension on there!
It was a good experience flying from Cov, although arriving back was a bit chaotic outside - we managed to get a cab almost straight away, but I'm not even sure it was a taxi rank!
Found the terminal fine on the way out, if a bit claustrophobic - and the staff need to get people to free up seats. Luggage DOESN'T need its own chair and those folks LYING on five seats need to told to get up.
FLight out was virtually full - a few empty seats. Flight back seemed to have a lot of Dutch on board, and due to the 757 being so large, there was plenty of space, including some bloke who ran down to the front about 10 seconds before takeoff and changed seats - not sure why!
Would fly from there again, as it's easy to get to...
But they need a "proper" terminal.
Landing was fun. The pilot apologised for the landing and made a comment about short runway!
Get that extension on there!
It was a good experience flying from Cov, although arriving back was a bit chaotic outside - we managed to get a cab almost straight away, but I'm not even sure it was a taxi rank!
Found the terminal fine on the way out, if a bit claustrophobic - and the staff need to get people to free up seats. Luggage DOESN'T need its own chair and those folks LYING on five seats need to told to get up.
FLight out was virtually full - a few empty seats. Flight back seemed to have a lot of Dutch on board, and due to the 757 being so large, there was plenty of space, including some bloke who ran down to the front about 10 seconds before takeoff and changed seats - not sure why!
Would fly from there again, as it's easy to get to...
But they need a "proper" terminal.
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Would fly from there again, as it's easy to get to...
But they need a "proper" terminal.
> Give it time my friend! First public inquiry going well - but second one not even due to start until Jan 06, add a year for result to come out, then maybe 18 months to build - so summer 07?
But they need a "proper" terminal.
> Give it time my friend! First public inquiry going well - but second one not even due to start until Jan 06, add a year for result to come out, then maybe 18 months to build - so summer 07?
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That's if TUI hang around for that long! Without a decent terminal surely they'll struggle to increase traffic and expand the business. The timescales for this are ridiculous.
According to one edition of Coventry Telegraph last week, Business leaders warned Coventry City council over delays in planning applications (The new Tory Council recently held back on a decision over a fabulous new development for the city for NO reason whatsoever, even though they'd been recommended to accept it - the NIMBY element in Coventry is absolutely awful - against ANYTHING.) leading to loss of business... So it's not just WDC who delay things.
What about the 3rd application - according to WDC website the airport have lodged an application for outline permission for a new terminal that's about 3 times the size of the one that's going to the public enquiry.
According to one edition of Coventry Telegraph last week, Business leaders warned Coventry City council over delays in planning applications (The new Tory Council recently held back on a decision over a fabulous new development for the city for NO reason whatsoever, even though they'd been recommended to accept it - the NIMBY element in Coventry is absolutely awful - against ANYTHING.) leading to loss of business... So it's not just WDC who delay things.
What about the 3rd application - according to WDC website the airport have lodged an application for outline permission for a new terminal that's about 3 times the size of the one that's going to the public enquiry.
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I see a (Britannia) B757-200 is still based at Coventry operating for Thomsonfly. Noted it there this morning, so much for the Anti's cliam that one couldn't operate 'safely' from Coventry.
I also noted a European Air Charter B737-200 at Coventry flying under an "EAF" callsign (so not a Thomsonfly sub-charter). Was this a charter or the return of the flights that operate for Minardi?
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I also noted a European Air Charter B737-200 at Coventry flying under an "EAF" callsign (so not a Thomsonfly sub-charter). Was this a charter or the return of the flights that operate for Minardi?
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Thomsonfly & the return of passenger flights from CVT celebrated one year yesterday - well done to all concerned.
Looks like the public inquiry is going their way too.
Looks like the public inquiry is going their way too.