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Update....
The route may be back on again following Sea France Ferry's anouncement not to operate the route. Board meeting today!
MD80 in Malaga today operating under a Flybe code to SOU. Was it going round the Islands when it got back???
Punctuality is good though. Last week 66% of flights departed on time.
RJ's will be in SOU for the summer. Two Aircraft initially. Both the Aircraft are in the hangar in EXT.
BHD- LPL route exceeding all predictions. Consideration is being given to increasing the frequency.
The route may be back on again following Sea France Ferry's anouncement not to operate the route. Board meeting today!
MD80 in Malaga today operating under a Flybe code to SOU. Was it going round the Islands when it got back???
Punctuality is good though. Last week 66% of flights departed on time.
RJ's will be in SOU for the summer. Two Aircraft initially. Both the Aircraft are in the hangar in EXT.
BHD- LPL route exceeding all predictions. Consideration is being given to increasing the frequency.
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Good to see the BHD - LPL is doing well - no doubt, Easy & BFS won't see it that way though.
No prizes for guessing this is one of many reasons why BFS have mounted a legal challenge to prevent the passenger cap at BHD being lifted.
No prizes for guessing this is one of many reasons why BFS have mounted a legal challenge to prevent the passenger cap at BHD being lifted.
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Just for the record, the ferry company concerned is Brittany Ferries which was supposed to be taking over P&O's Portsmouth-Le Havre route! SeaFrance is on Dover-Calais - haven't seen any prospect of FlyBe having a go at Lydd-Le Touquet which I guess would be the nearest alternative air route.....
Sad, I know, but got to keep the facts straight.
Sad, I know, but got to keep the facts straight.
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From: Barton Upon Humber
While Brittany will not be replacing P&O on Portsmouth-Le Harve they will do/have done on Portsmouth-Cherbourg so I doubt them not starting the Le Harve route will make BE want to go back to Cherbourg, particularly if security has stopped them starting the route. Not something you compromise on just to sieze on a commercial oppurtunity
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Hudson Bay,
That MD80 you saw doing the SOU run. Was that because two flights were combined or due to lack of crew/aircraft.
If its due to lack of crew, me thinks the company may wanna rethink the selling back of leave.
Someone please tell me which hurts more. A PROPER day off payment or the wet lease of a big shiny jet.
The last operational letter that we got suggested even more wet leases are in the pipeline, and thats not the Astraues 737s that its talking about.
That MD80 you saw doing the SOU run. Was that because two flights were combined or due to lack of crew/aircraft.
If its due to lack of crew, me thinks the company may wanna rethink the selling back of leave.
Someone please tell me which hurts more. A PROPER day off payment or the wet lease of a big shiny jet.
The last operational letter that we got suggested even more wet leases are in the pipeline, and thats not the Astraues 737s that its talking about.
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MD80 was covering because many of the 146 skippers and FO's from Southampton are on a RJ differences course in Birmingham. Not sure when they're going out for the sim session but i imagine its quite soon.
Saw about four captains and FO's at Hammond House....so that should account for an aircraft.
Saw about four captains and FO's at Hammond House....so that should account for an aircraft.
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It maybe that the RJ's won't materialise. The aircraft have extensive corrosion and Bae Systems are reluctant to finance the repairs. I think it might be back to the drawing board.
The MD80 wet lease looks like continuing for some time to cover the Spanish routes. It's not a cheap aircraft and I guess that is why the Ops Director is off sick.
One other point of note is a possible 6 month contract out in Italy. I can't really say anymore than that but watch this space!
Looks like there will be more BHD - LPL rotations. It has been given the ok, down to commercial now.
The MD80 wet lease looks like continuing for some time to cover the Spanish routes. It's not a cheap aircraft and I guess that is why the Ops Director is off sick.
One other point of note is a possible 6 month contract out in Italy. I can't really say anymore than that but watch this space!
Looks like there will be more BHD - LPL rotations. It has been given the ok, down to commercial now.
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Forgive my ignorance but it is not somewhat unusual for an airframe only around twelve years old to suffer serious corrosion? Or is the 146/RJ particularly susceptible to this?
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These ex-Turk A/C were "retired" from service due to the mentioned corrosion problems a few years back, the airline not being happy with BAE that the A/C had corrosion after a short while. Knowing this, one would have thought Flybe would have ensured that BAE would pay for repairs before wasting a months worth of manhours, similar happened with an ex- Cityflyer A/C a while back.
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Over the years Flybe Engineering at Exeter have repaired many corroded wings on 146 family aircraft - both in their own fleet and those of third parties. I'd imagine that they could well be world leaders in this role!
I should also think that Flybe would have no worries about the level of corrosion in these RJ aircraft. Repair is cheaper than buying a new aircraft! I understand that engineers have visted Turkey and have conducted some corrosion repair on-site.
I should also think that Flybe would have no worries about the level of corrosion in these RJ aircraft. Repair is cheaper than buying a new aircraft! I understand that engineers have visted Turkey and have conducted some corrosion repair on-site.
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Beauport Potato man.
Be realistic, these Aircraft are badly corroded. If they can be repaired it will be many months before they come on line.
All the conversion courses have been cancelled for the time being. The corrosion is much worse than first thought. Yet another blow for the Airline.
More resignations today now Easy has started to recruit.
Good news is that the Airline continues to make money and figures show an increase of 13% in pax numbers.
Be realistic, these Aircraft are badly corroded. If they can be repaired it will be many months before they come on line.
All the conversion courses have been cancelled for the time being. The corrosion is much worse than first thought. Yet another blow for the Airline.
More resignations today now Easy has started to recruit.
Good news is that the Airline continues to make money and figures show an increase of 13% in pax numbers.
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If the RJ's do not go online in March Flybe could be looking at very large compensation payments.
As I understand it under the new rules £170 is payable for over booking a flight. As the RJ seats 112 pax and the 146-200 only seats 97 pax (they don't have enough 300 series aircraft to cover the late RJ's). I make that 15 Passengers off loaded per flight working on a 6 sector day for the aeroplane that is compensation of £15,300 per day per Aircraft. Together with the current wet leases I can't see the company making a profit with those costs.
As I understand it under the new rules £170 is payable for over booking a flight. As the RJ seats 112 pax and the 146-200 only seats 97 pax (they don't have enough 300 series aircraft to cover the late RJ's). I make that 15 Passengers off loaded per flight working on a 6 sector day for the aeroplane that is compensation of £15,300 per day per Aircraft. Together with the current wet leases I can't see the company making a profit with those costs.