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Jabird
I noticed while travelling through BHD last week that they are
having some development working in their arrivals hall. As it turns
out they are having a permanent customs channel installed.
In terms of what Jabird asked as to whether BHD has the facilites for international ops, its appears that they are working towards improving them. (Does anyone know more about these developments ?)
I would say that if Flybe are considering routes to BHD from AMS and CDG that some of the costs could be reduced as the routes may fall under the criteria to receive funding from the "NI Air Route Development Fund"
EZY do already serve these routes from BFS so its a question as to whether the routes have sufficent demand for competition from both airports.
BHD - does it have ability for international ops?
having some development working in their arrivals hall. As it turns
out they are having a permanent customs channel installed.
In terms of what Jabird asked as to whether BHD has the facilites for international ops, its appears that they are working towards improving them. (Does anyone know more about these developments ?)
I would say that if Flybe are considering routes to BHD from AMS and CDG that some of the costs could be reduced as the routes may fall under the criteria to receive funding from the "NI Air Route Development Fund"
EZY do already serve these routes from BFS so its a question as to whether the routes have sufficent demand for competition from both airports.
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BHD does have the ability to operate international routes - Flybe currently operate weekly ski charters to both Salzburg and Chambery with Q400s and 146s respectively. Astraeus will be operating a programme in July & August with charters to Malaga & Alicante using 733s.
This and the current service to ORK would probably explain the requirement for permanent customs facilities.
The initial Air Route Development funding has been exhausted and a further allocation has been requested.
This and the current service to ORK would probably explain the requirement for permanent customs facilities.
The initial Air Route Development funding has been exhausted and a further allocation has been requested.
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Smokie, yeah I think you`re spot on there but I suppose they`ll want to fly some training approaches at the City as I believe they are gonna be fairly regular visitors on the Bhx route, think it`s 24th and 25th.
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Regardin Flybe in France- in one important french airline-forum there is question if Flybe will ever conduct french-domestic business as sub-contractor for Air France ...
Any clue wheather this is feasable ?
Any clue wheather this is feasable ?
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FlyBe to operate Domestic flights in France ?
Not for me to doubt, etc......and assume they have done/will do their homework correctly, etc.....but history is littered with companies of all sizes and from all industries who have found this country to be a graveyard for foreign investors.
In our line of business, think of BA and Swissair who both lost more than their shirts trying with TAT/Air Lib/AOM....and the shortlived effort by Buzz a couple of years ago to operate domestic routes here.....look at the hoops that the many and various authorities have ( officially and unofficially ) put up in the past ( eg, the BA dispute regarding Orly some years ago ) and
currently ( eg, easyJet's difficulty in getting slots when there are still, officially, several thousands still available ) and you'll get the idea.....
Quite simply, AF have a total stranglehold either directly or indirectly on anything even remotely connected with Air Transport in France, and if it doesn't suit them, then the best advice is to forget any plans you may have to enter the market here, no matter how good they look on your Development or Marketing peoples' PC's.....
In fact, my retirement fund currently consists of little more than, hopefully lucrative, plans to write a book entitled " Investing in France - or how to lose your shirt " when I'm eventually able to spend more time on the ground than at the moment.
But back to FlyBe.......
Does anyone care to comment or shed some light on the current bolloc*s which appears to be developing with the imminent closure of the AF BHX - CDG route ? No underhand reason - just some acquaintences and friends who are having their lives buggered about right now as the company seems to be more than a little economical with the truth....
Numerous cancellations/consolidations/equipment changes the past few months - most explained as crew shortages; all staff involved being told one thing about the future one day and another thing the next ; heavy sickness call-ins from ( justifiably ! ) disaffected cabin crew ; and FO's being told that Command Courses or Conversion Courses would start this/next month and then 24 hours later being told they're cancelled.
The numbers shouldn't lie, and FlyBe is reporting good profits for last year - based on the info I have been told and have seen, and the earlier parts of this thread, any bets on this year's numbers ?
Not for me to doubt, etc......and assume they have done/will do their homework correctly, etc.....but history is littered with companies of all sizes and from all industries who have found this country to be a graveyard for foreign investors.
In our line of business, think of BA and Swissair who both lost more than their shirts trying with TAT/Air Lib/AOM....and the shortlived effort by Buzz a couple of years ago to operate domestic routes here.....look at the hoops that the many and various authorities have ( officially and unofficially ) put up in the past ( eg, the BA dispute regarding Orly some years ago ) and
currently ( eg, easyJet's difficulty in getting slots when there are still, officially, several thousands still available ) and you'll get the idea.....
Quite simply, AF have a total stranglehold either directly or indirectly on anything even remotely connected with Air Transport in France, and if it doesn't suit them, then the best advice is to forget any plans you may have to enter the market here, no matter how good they look on your Development or Marketing peoples' PC's.....
In fact, my retirement fund currently consists of little more than, hopefully lucrative, plans to write a book entitled " Investing in France - or how to lose your shirt " when I'm eventually able to spend more time on the ground than at the moment.
But back to FlyBe.......
Does anyone care to comment or shed some light on the current bolloc*s which appears to be developing with the imminent closure of the AF BHX - CDG route ? No underhand reason - just some acquaintences and friends who are having their lives buggered about right now as the company seems to be more than a little economical with the truth....
Numerous cancellations/consolidations/equipment changes the past few months - most explained as crew shortages; all staff involved being told one thing about the future one day and another thing the next ; heavy sickness call-ins from ( justifiably ! ) disaffected cabin crew ; and FO's being told that Command Courses or Conversion Courses would start this/next month and then 24 hours later being told they're cancelled.
The numbers shouldn't lie, and FlyBe is reporting good profits for last year - based on the info I have been told and have seen, and the earlier parts of this thread, any bets on this year's numbers ?
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The good news is the RJ's are back on. They are badly corroded but the news today from Aviation services is that they can be repaired at an acceptable cost. The Aircraft will be arriving late but they will arrive. Don't ask me when.
There should be some news out later today about CDG. Management are holding a meeting at BHX to discuss a way forward.
There should be some news out later today about CDG. Management are holding a meeting at BHX to discuss a way forward.
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Thanks for that True Manxman,
We are booked to go with them this summer.
Feel a bit of a traitor as a bmi employee, but price and schedulewise Flybe offered us the best deal.
We are booked to go with them this summer.
Feel a bit of a traitor as a bmi employee, but price and schedulewise Flybe offered us the best deal.
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Sadly, one of the hallmarks of flybe has always been that, although they have survived and prospered, they have always been very hard on their staff. It would take more than a few hands to count up all those who have left as a result of being stuffed about with enforced base changes, endless HOTAC and the like. The official line from the top, as relayed at base "kickstart" meetings, was "if you don't like it, there's the door".
Many of us used it.
Most LCC's have been quick to adopt the financial model of the grandaddy of them all, Southwest. What they haven't done is take on board Southwest's commitment to their staff. Southwest have made many millions on the back of a happy and satisfied workforce who cheerfully go the extra mile, because they know the company will look after them. Most Euro copies, including flybe, have no practical concept of caring for, and motivating, their workforce.
I hate to think how much money it has cost them in lost productivity, and the cost of retraining new guys to replace all the disenchanted ones who have left.
A great place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there...
having their lives buggered about right now
Many of us used it.
Most LCC's have been quick to adopt the financial model of the grandaddy of them all, Southwest. What they haven't done is take on board Southwest's commitment to their staff. Southwest have made many millions on the back of a happy and satisfied workforce who cheerfully go the extra mile, because they know the company will look after them. Most Euro copies, including flybe, have no practical concept of caring for, and motivating, their workforce.
I hate to think how much money it has cost them in lost productivity, and the cost of retraining new guys to replace all the disenchanted ones who have left.
A great place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there...