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If I was in Flywho's marketing department, I wouldn't give a stuff about how many of BHX's staff knew about them. But I would be very interested to know how many of the travelling public were aware of them. Spoke to 3 customers at BHX this morning - all frequent fliers, and all very clued up about the market, but none had heard of Flywho. Not aware of any advertising for them anywhere on site either.
I will continue to be sceptical about this airline, even though I would like to see them succeed for many reasons. However, duo already tried this "making it a pleasure to fly again" blurb, without any sound marketing activity, and look where they ended up.
I will continue to be sceptical about this airline, even though I would like to see them succeed for many reasons. However, duo already tried this "making it a pleasure to fly again" blurb, without any sound marketing activity, and look where they ended up.
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Who in their right mind are going to make bookings with this company? Remember Now, and that South African debacle! I don't think it is a good time to start something like this up. The bucket and spade destinations are not compatible with fares of this magnitude.
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Forgive me for sounding like a cynic here, but you still don't appear to be able to book online and the people answering the phones are the same couple that were answering them last year about recruitment and stuff. I thought they made another promise to be able to book from 15 December? Whats gone wrong this time? I thought they had everything sorted out now?
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more people who should be in exec jobs I see!!!
I smell a shambles coming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are there adverts for this company etc ?????
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Check out the latest America brochure from Jetset flights which is available in almost every travel agent in the UK!
This includes the multiples and miniples and independents from Kent to Scotland.
As this company doesn't intend to try to replace VS or BA or even give the major charter boys a hard time they dont need millions of customers, just a few thousand wealthy ones. You still dont have it do you???
This is NOT economy travel!!! Try again with your quotes against PREMIUM ECONOMY and WTP.
Also, what is the problem with having the same people answer the phones a year on??? Hells teeth, I would think that speaks volumes about stable employment, not setting a case for worry.
Maybe you enjoy working for a firm that changes people every 5 months, but I like the idea of still being there in a year!!! Each to his own though so enjoy.
Where are there adverts for this company etc ?????
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Check out the latest America brochure from Jetset flights which is available in almost every travel agent in the UK!
This includes the multiples and miniples and independents from Kent to Scotland.
As this company doesn't intend to try to replace VS or BA or even give the major charter boys a hard time they dont need millions of customers, just a few thousand wealthy ones. You still dont have it do you???
This is NOT economy travel!!! Try again with your quotes against PREMIUM ECONOMY and WTP.
Also, what is the problem with having the same people answer the phones a year on??? Hells teeth, I would think that speaks volumes about stable employment, not setting a case for worry.
Maybe you enjoy working for a firm that changes people every 5 months, but I like the idea of still being there in a year!!! Each to his own though so enjoy.
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Niceguy,
We do get it. We understand what Flywho are trying to do. What we don't understand is (a) why they have chosen to offer a premium only service from Birmingham, when the market for such flights must be so much greater from London, (b) how they are going to convince people that they will be able to deliver on their service after so many broken promises, and (c) how they plan to develop any kind of brand recognition without any advertising, and a minimal internet presence.
When the travel market is being increasingly brought downmarket by the likes of Ryanair, any move to buck this trend has to be very welcome, especially from a Midlands airport.
Before anyone suggests a contradiction in this post (I have also stood up for Ryanair on other threads - they are very good at what they do, but I would never want to see them dominate the market), there is a huge difference in my books between wanting something to work, and actually thinking it will work.
We do get it. We understand what Flywho are trying to do. What we don't understand is (a) why they have chosen to offer a premium only service from Birmingham, when the market for such flights must be so much greater from London, (b) how they are going to convince people that they will be able to deliver on their service after so many broken promises, and (c) how they plan to develop any kind of brand recognition without any advertising, and a minimal internet presence.
When the travel market is being increasingly brought downmarket by the likes of Ryanair, any move to buck this trend has to be very welcome, especially from a Midlands airport.
Before anyone suggests a contradiction in this post (I have also stood up for Ryanair on other threads - they are very good at what they do, but I would never want to see them dominate the market), there is a huge difference in my books between wanting something to work, and actually thinking it will work.
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.....a) why they have chosen to offer a premium only service from Birmingham, when the market for such flights must be so much greater from London
People from Birmingham and The Midlands have been travelling to London for years to catch long haul flights, so why can't these southerners travel to BHX ?
Ian
People from Birmingham and The Midlands have been travelling to London for years to catch long haul flights, so why can't these southerners travel to BHX ?
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These "southerners" won't travel to BHX because the flights will still be avialable from Heathrow/Gatwick. As for Manchester or Leeds (or other areas to the north of Birmingham), these airports have frequent flights (with BA or bmi) to Heathrow so again, why travel to B'ham?
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Ian,
London already has 8 departure airports, if you count SEN, LYD and MSE. You would also go past CVT on the way to BHX (if using the M1/A45). So what would Londoners call their 10th airport - "London North by Northwest?"
Fried, given a choice between MAN-LGW-TPA with BA or BHX-PIE direct with Flywho, I can see why several people living to the south of MAN might take the direct option.
However:
1) They need to know the option exists - and even BHX pax (or staff!) don't seem to at present
2) Not everyone wants a premium cabin.
London already has 8 departure airports, if you count SEN, LYD and MSE. You would also go past CVT on the way to BHX (if using the M1/A45). So what would Londoners call their 10th airport - "London North by Northwest?"
Fried, given a choice between MAN-LGW-TPA with BA or BHX-PIE direct with Flywho, I can see why several people living to the south of MAN might take the direct option.
However:
1) They need to know the option exists - and even BHX pax (or staff!) don't seem to at present
2) Not everyone wants a premium cabin.
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Just sit back and stop fussing gents, if they are going to happen, they will do. Criticizing them before they even get off the ground isn’t constructive.
Give them a chance, its not easy setting up an airline remember!
Give them a chance, its not easy setting up an airline remember!
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First Choice will be flying longhaul out of East Mids from May.
Deffo Florida. Not sure about anywhere else.
On their new 767s too. Less seats.. more legroom.. premium economy & premium first.
Deffo Florida. Not sure about anywhere else.
On their new 767s too. Less seats.. more legroom.. premium economy & premium first.
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Ok I think there are a few things we need to get straight here.
Low cost travel is all very well and good, why pay several hundred pounds for a flight to the likes of TFS when you can go with a low cost carrier for half the price. Only difference being your not getting your meal tray, comp drinks wine or headets included. Have to say I can live without the frills for such a flight. At the end of the day on a four hour flight or under the luxuries are really not that important.
This is the where the difference comes in though with what flywho are proposing. We are talking long-haul trips here guys. Flights of certainly eight hours plus with a five hour time difference. Now for those of you that have travelled long haul you will know being stuck in a miniscule seat pitch alone for that length of time is no fun at all. Thats why it is impossible to compare the product of flywho with any economy, lo cost carrier on the market. Their product is in essence a niche offering to the travelling public of BHX.
The state of Florida is still rapidly expanding and more and more of us are choosing to holiday there at least once within a five year period. They have done their research well and delaying the lauch although causing some disapointment amongst the masses was a very wise and bold move to make.
Eyes open wide people, the flywho experience has arrived!
Low cost travel is all very well and good, why pay several hundred pounds for a flight to the likes of TFS when you can go with a low cost carrier for half the price. Only difference being your not getting your meal tray, comp drinks wine or headets included. Have to say I can live without the frills for such a flight. At the end of the day on a four hour flight or under the luxuries are really not that important.
This is the where the difference comes in though with what flywho are proposing. We are talking long-haul trips here guys. Flights of certainly eight hours plus with a five hour time difference. Now for those of you that have travelled long haul you will know being stuck in a miniscule seat pitch alone for that length of time is no fun at all. Thats why it is impossible to compare the product of flywho with any economy, lo cost carrier on the market. Their product is in essence a niche offering to the travelling public of BHX.
The state of Florida is still rapidly expanding and more and more of us are choosing to holiday there at least once within a five year period. They have done their research well and delaying the lauch although causing some disapointment amongst the masses was a very wise and bold move to make.
Eyes open wide people, the flywho experience has arrived!
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Ms Spurtle......the FCA 767 will have 33" seat pitch in premium economy and 35" in 'first'. Air Canada economy is 34"!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flywho cabins will have 38" and 45" pitch, and complimentary bar service in both classes.
A bit different wouldn't you say?
Rabbs
Flywho cabins will have 38" and 45" pitch, and complimentary bar service in both classes.
A bit different wouldn't you say?
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And also remember guys, FCA have planes , not like Flywho, who would like to own some, oh and another important fact, FCA advertise very well and are half the price.....
Bye
Bye
Mike 16
What exactly is your problem with these people? Have you had a run in the with management, or just been cold shouldered for an interview? All your posts on this subject seem to be little more than a tirade of 110% negativity.
I share your and others' scepticism for the operation, but why is there the need to castigate it before it's even had a chance.
Surprisingly there are people "north of Watford" who don't just go for the cheapest, and look for some element of quality service, and comfort. If Flywho get their venture off the ground then they will be offering a genuine alternative to the cr***y seating pitch and inflight service offered by the "bucket and spade" operators, and I wish them every success in carving a niche for themselves
What exactly is your problem with these people? Have you had a run in the with management, or just been cold shouldered for an interview? All your posts on this subject seem to be little more than a tirade of 110% negativity.
I share your and others' scepticism for the operation, but why is there the need to castigate it before it's even had a chance.
Surprisingly there are people "north of Watford" who don't just go for the cheapest, and look for some element of quality service, and comfort. If Flywho get their venture off the ground then they will be offering a genuine alternative to the cr***y seating pitch and inflight service offered by the "bucket and spade" operators, and I wish them every success in carving a niche for themselves
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Hi
I have had run ins with this so called company, if you do a search on here on Flyblu, you will see some very lenghty threads on this outfit.
I applied for cabin crew last year, and was left hanging like a lot of other people.
All i am saying, is do not get your hopes up, They failed to deliver last year and maybe they will do the same this year !
Anyway we will have to wait and see.
Bye
I have had run ins with this so called company, if you do a search on here on Flyblu, you will see some very lenghty threads on this outfit.
I applied for cabin crew last year, and was left hanging like a lot of other people.
All i am saying, is do not get your hopes up, They failed to deliver last year and maybe they will do the same this year !
Anyway we will have to wait and see.
Bye
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You must also remember, Flywho won't have any aircraft until a week or before the first scheduled flight, for them to have an aircraft would make absolutely no sense and be completely pointless!