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Whilst I can see the reasoning that KL would have a larger catchment area at DSA, the point is the services into HUY are doing great so why fix what ain't broke?
Regarding the old Air UK F27 loads on HUY-AMS, those figures don't really mean anything today. A couple of years before then the service routed LBA-HUY-AMS, thrice daily with F27's. Now LBA has 5 non-stops each day with 733's and F100's from LS/KL and HUY has 3 F70's each day. The markets have changed beyond recognition as air travel has become more affordable over the past 20 years. Whilst I can't vouch that every single seat on every flight is taken, people I know who have flown on HUY-AMS have always said that their flight was completely full, giving the general impression that it is a consistantly good performer.
On the LCC side of things, it does look as though they may have missed a golden opportunity but I still believe that a carrier such as Flybe has the right sized equipment to offer a competitive and successful operation from HUY. Just because DSA will be open for business doesn't mean that the people of the East Riding of Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire will want to use it in preference to HUY if they had the choice.
A little further down the line, Eastern Airways will be phasing out its J32/J41 in a couple of years time and is supposedly looking to replace them with aircraft in the 50-seat range. Given that they may be tempted to reduce their high fares a little to put more bums on seats and that their new aircraft will be more comfortable over longer legs, they may be tempted to start new services from HUY if another carrier doesn't step in. Perhaps EDI/GLA, CDG or DUS?
Regarding the old Air UK F27 loads on HUY-AMS, those figures don't really mean anything today. A couple of years before then the service routed LBA-HUY-AMS, thrice daily with F27's. Now LBA has 5 non-stops each day with 733's and F100's from LS/KL and HUY has 3 F70's each day. The markets have changed beyond recognition as air travel has become more affordable over the past 20 years. Whilst I can't vouch that every single seat on every flight is taken, people I know who have flown on HUY-AMS have always said that their flight was completely full, giving the general impression that it is a consistantly good performer.
On the LCC side of things, it does look as though they may have missed a golden opportunity but I still believe that a carrier such as Flybe has the right sized equipment to offer a competitive and successful operation from HUY. Just because DSA will be open for business doesn't mean that the people of the East Riding of Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire will want to use it in preference to HUY if they had the choice.
A little further down the line, Eastern Airways will be phasing out its J32/J41 in a couple of years time and is supposedly looking to replace them with aircraft in the 50-seat range. Given that they may be tempted to reduce their high fares a little to put more bums on seats and that their new aircraft will be more comfortable over longer legs, they may be tempted to start new services from HUY if another carrier doesn't step in. Perhaps EDI/GLA, CDG or DUS?
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Eastern previously tried HUY-GLA in their early days and HUY-EDI in 2002 - Maybe EDI wwould work again
CDG, I feel it would have to be in association with Air France to get feed
DUS was tried about 15 years ago I think - great loads in summer but fell off in winter. Dont think this one would work again
Again - Flybe would be perfect
CDG, I feel it would have to be in association with Air France to get feed
DUS was tried about 15 years ago I think - great loads in summer but fell off in winter. Dont think this one would work again
Again - Flybe would be perfect
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Passenger numbers on all routes increased when the F50 got the bullet.
KLM is in a completely different market to the locos.
Flight connections through Amsterdam in any case are often cheaper than a loco Amsterdam return.
Check out the fares on the KLM uk booking site.
LBA Madrid £56 return. Warsaw £69. Barcelona also a few peanuts,I assume HUY is the same.
These fares have been around all through the year.
The flights always seem to be quite full at LBA and I believe HUY is the same. Most of the UK flights are F70/100 including NCL.
Why would they want to use bigger aircraft from an unknown airport like DSA? OH, of course! the big runway!!!!
KLM is in a completely different market to the locos.
Flight connections through Amsterdam in any case are often cheaper than a loco Amsterdam return.
Check out the fares on the KLM uk booking site.
LBA Madrid £56 return. Warsaw £69. Barcelona also a few peanuts,I assume HUY is the same.
These fares have been around all through the year.
The flights always seem to be quite full at LBA and I believe HUY is the same. Most of the UK flights are F70/100 including NCL.
Why would they want to use bigger aircraft from an unknown airport like DSA? OH, of course! the big runway!!!!
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I flew on the HUY-CDG route when operated by Gill Air as an AF franchise. Initially, the a/c routed MME-HUY-CDG and the loads weren't great.(@25 on ATR72) The MME leg was dropped and HUY-CDG had @15pax on ATR42. Connections were possible at CDG but flight time was an issue; 1h45mins as opposed to 45mins on F100 to AMS.
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Hey, can't you lot leave huy alone. I don't think they will lose either the ams or the abz in the next 5 years. There are two main reasons for this.
1. The oil and gaz workers use the abz
2. The amount of shipping hat goes through the Humber means that there is always a turn over of foreigners want to travel back home through ams
The second point is also relevent for the ams flights out of mme. So dsa i don't think will effect either routes. Another point to look at is the fact that the whole of the humberside catchment area is on the up, this can be seen in the regeneration of Lincoln and the increase in popularity of the university there.
1. The oil and gaz workers use the abz
2. The amount of shipping hat goes through the Humber means that there is always a turn over of foreigners want to travel back home through ams
The second point is also relevent for the ams flights out of mme. So dsa i don't think will effect either routes. Another point to look at is the fact that the whole of the humberside catchment area is on the up, this can be seen in the regeneration of Lincoln and the increase in popularity of the university there.
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I don't think that HUY will lose the AMS or ABz services, but equally its very unlikely that they'll get any other schedule services in the future.
Take a look at the real world everyone - HUY simply doesn't have the catchment area to service any new scheduled routes, and on a purely commercial basis, DSA will snaffle up anything that's to be had.
(The "regeneration" of the Lincoln area will only benefit DSA, not HUY).
I hope that they hang on to what they've got in the IT charter market, but the future isn't exactly looking good for them.
Equally, it's unlikely that Eastern will even consider HUY as part of their future plans, (apart from the ABZ route - which they have a monopoly and no possibility of competition on), and as the airline grows, I wouldn't be suprised if they move their base out of HUY to either DSA or NWI.
Unfortunately the HUY management have blown it as far as low cost routes are concerned - they had the opportunity to make it happen, but didn't do a thing, and all that sort of stuff will go to DSA.
It was totally predictable from the outset, but, according to people on the inside at MAN, it seems that MAN PLC, having bought and used HUY at a minimum price, are ready to unload HUY in early 2005 now that they have no further use for it.
Take a look at the real world everyone - HUY simply doesn't have the catchment area to service any new scheduled routes, and on a purely commercial basis, DSA will snaffle up anything that's to be had.
(The "regeneration" of the Lincoln area will only benefit DSA, not HUY).
I hope that they hang on to what they've got in the IT charter market, but the future isn't exactly looking good for them.
Equally, it's unlikely that Eastern will even consider HUY as part of their future plans, (apart from the ABZ route - which they have a monopoly and no possibility of competition on), and as the airline grows, I wouldn't be suprised if they move their base out of HUY to either DSA or NWI.
Unfortunately the HUY management have blown it as far as low cost routes are concerned - they had the opportunity to make it happen, but didn't do a thing, and all that sort of stuff will go to DSA.
It was totally predictable from the outset, but, according to people on the inside at MAN, it seems that MAN PLC, having bought and used HUY at a minimum price, are ready to unload HUY in early 2005 now that they have no further use for it.
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Hi.
OK, I am not going to get involved with the debate regarding KLC moving from HUY to DSA.
However, with regard to one point raise ... the "why fix what aint broke" argument. Well, it wasn't broke in a market where DSA did not exist. Now, this could apply to any airport ... but KLC, or anyone else will want to protect their market share ... so there is the argument for potentially moving any operation ... is DSA (or any other airport) going to damage my market and dilute my yield? If so, if I move the operation there, and still serve the existing market ... should I do that and protect my market and business, or stay put and let someone else come in and destroy what I have spent years building and effectively cut my catchment area to a very small area indeed?
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OK, I am not going to get involved with the debate regarding KLC moving from HUY to DSA.
However, with regard to one point raise ... the "why fix what aint broke" argument. Well, it wasn't broke in a market where DSA did not exist. Now, this could apply to any airport ... but KLC, or anyone else will want to protect their market share ... so there is the argument for potentially moving any operation ... is DSA (or any other airport) going to damage my market and dilute my yield? If so, if I move the operation there, and still serve the existing market ... should I do that and protect my market and business, or stay put and let someone else come in and destroy what I have spent years building and effectively cut my catchment area to a very small area indeed?
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NikNak - Well said
Onion - I dont think anyone on here wants to see the demise of HUY but as NikNak has said the management over the years (especially when owned by the various councils) have had their chances to atttract operators, including low cost airlines. The introduction of flights from Doncaster IS going to be felt by HUY, the existing scheduled flights may stay but I just dont see the type of routes that are being proposed from Donny being ever operated from HUY.
Air Humberside - The DUS flights were operated by Brown Air (Became Capital AL) , LBA - HUY - DUS using a Gulfstream I then operated by an SD.330.
Onion - I dont think anyone on here wants to see the demise of HUY but as NikNak has said the management over the years (especially when owned by the various councils) have had their chances to atttract operators, including low cost airlines. The introduction of flights from Doncaster IS going to be felt by HUY, the existing scheduled flights may stay but I just dont see the type of routes that are being proposed from Donny being ever operated from HUY.
Air Humberside - The DUS flights were operated by Brown Air (Became Capital AL) , LBA - HUY - DUS using a Gulfstream I then operated by an SD.330.
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... there is always room for domestic airline expansion in the UK because the train & bus links are a complete disaster.
I reckon HUY-domestic centres would definately work especially given all the heavy industry located around the area.
Its only a matter of time.
I heard 'Jump Airlines' (yeah i know) are considering HUY.
Jump are proposed to start in 2008 wih 146's - nothin like givin ya competition a head start. ummm
I reckon HUY-domestic centres would definately work especially given all the heavy industry located around the area.
Its only a matter of time.
I heard 'Jump Airlines' (yeah i know) are considering HUY.
Jump are proposed to start in 2008 wih 146's - nothin like givin ya competition a head start. ummm
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A lot of mixed opinions about HUY.
IF Jump got off the ground, I would think that the 146 is too big for domestic markets out of HUY. With the possible exception of Belfast, London Gatwick and Jersey.
The HUY-Dusseldorf flights were operated by Skyrover with an SD330. Dusseldorf would be a desirable addition for the future, Air Berlin would be good for the route with an F100 on say a Monday, Friday and Sunday.
KLM WILL NOT leave Humberside, due to the lack of competition on the route, yield is relatively high.
HUY has proven in the past that it DOES have a large enough catchment area, for example, there were over 30 IT flights this summer/week, more than MME, EXT, BOH and NWI. HUY had for years had a pax throughput higher than most of these, with the exception of MME. DSA will dilute the market further, but there will still be a considerable market there. The majority of HUY's pax come from the Yorkshire Coast, Hull, Cleethorpes/Grimsby, Lincoln and S....horpe, and so for them, HUY will still involve less travelling time than DSA.
In terms of Eastern expanding at HUY, I cannot see this happening, high cost business routes are not what HUY needs, although a HUY-BRU on a Jetstream would work.
Gill Airways' CDG route WAS performing well, for a new route, it was the financial difficulties that Gill got into, that sealed the fate for any non-NCL based a/c.
Again, the theme seams to rest with Flybe. being the most appropriate operator for expansion at HUY, they have the perfect a/c in terms of size for regional and domestic routes to the likes of Dublin, Belfast, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, London LGW, Jersey, Southampton, Paris CDG and Amsterdam. I am not sure if the 146 would have probems reaching the sunspots like Alicante, Malaga and Palma, but with fleet replacement on the cards in the next few years, a 737 or 319 could handle these easily. One based 737/319 doing something like a 4/3 AGP/FAO split in the morning and a 4/3 ALC/PMI split in the afternoon would work. The key is not to overkill. It is no good if someone barges in with A320s or large 737s, the market is not big enough.
Regards
Mike
IF Jump got off the ground, I would think that the 146 is too big for domestic markets out of HUY. With the possible exception of Belfast, London Gatwick and Jersey.
The HUY-Dusseldorf flights were operated by Skyrover with an SD330. Dusseldorf would be a desirable addition for the future, Air Berlin would be good for the route with an F100 on say a Monday, Friday and Sunday.
KLM WILL NOT leave Humberside, due to the lack of competition on the route, yield is relatively high.
HUY has proven in the past that it DOES have a large enough catchment area, for example, there were over 30 IT flights this summer/week, more than MME, EXT, BOH and NWI. HUY had for years had a pax throughput higher than most of these, with the exception of MME. DSA will dilute the market further, but there will still be a considerable market there. The majority of HUY's pax come from the Yorkshire Coast, Hull, Cleethorpes/Grimsby, Lincoln and S....horpe, and so for them, HUY will still involve less travelling time than DSA.
In terms of Eastern expanding at HUY, I cannot see this happening, high cost business routes are not what HUY needs, although a HUY-BRU on a Jetstream would work.
Gill Airways' CDG route WAS performing well, for a new route, it was the financial difficulties that Gill got into, that sealed the fate for any non-NCL based a/c.
Again, the theme seams to rest with Flybe. being the most appropriate operator for expansion at HUY, they have the perfect a/c in terms of size for regional and domestic routes to the likes of Dublin, Belfast, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, London LGW, Jersey, Southampton, Paris CDG and Amsterdam. I am not sure if the 146 would have probems reaching the sunspots like Alicante, Malaga and Palma, but with fleet replacement on the cards in the next few years, a 737 or 319 could handle these easily. One based 737/319 doing something like a 4/3 AGP/FAO split in the morning and a 4/3 ALC/PMI split in the afternoon would work. The key is not to overkill. It is no good if someone barges in with A320s or large 737s, the market is not big enough.
Regards
Mike
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Looking on Jump's website there is no mention of HUY. Interestingly the Isle of Wight and Swansea are mentioned
Anyone know when the maintenance hangar will open and what airlines will be using it
Anyone know when the maintenance hangar will open and what airlines will be using it