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flybe want to open an Eastern UK base besides Norwich. Now that they have ordered the ERJ195, HUY is in with a chance. The 146 could not make it from HUY to the likes of FAO and AGP in the summer, whereas the E95 can. flybe has said it is considering HUY, DSA and to a much lesser extent, MME. With French routes on the cards from LPL and LBA, would they really start them from DSA too? Surely a UK domestic/Ireland/Europe network from HUY would be better suited to the market.
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With French routes on the cards from LPL and LBA, would they really start them from DSA too? Surely a UK domestic/Ireland/Europe network from HUY would be better suited to the market.
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As in HUY would not get French regional flights, but flights domestically, N + S Ireland and Sun routes, maybe AMS, CDG, PRG etc. These routes are already flown from LBA and DSA, so it is unlikely that BE would fly anywhere other than French regional and UK domestic routes from DSA. It's a case of France and UK from DSA or UK and Sun from HUY.
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Is there really a market from HUY to destinations noted on this forum, if there was so much potential traffic why arnt regionals and low cost alike beating the path to fly from HUY.
What operator is sat there mulling over the idea from HUY when DSA offers so much more, sentiment for the HUY is does not account for anything, its routes that the paying public want at prices that can attract users to HUY.
As someone whom says lives in Scunthorpe that is approximately 1/2 between HUY & DSA what airport would you be using currently, HUY with high cost routes to AMS & ABZ and then theres DSA with european routes with affordable prices.
Doesnt take a genius to work out that DSA is the airport that once was the domain of HUY (Having said that, I do believe there is a market for HUY but not the market the sentimental HUY supporters have in mind) and that airport has had a long time to attract and grow its market share but just hasnt capitalised for whatever reasons.
What operator is sat there mulling over the idea from HUY when DSA offers so much more, sentiment for the HUY is does not account for anything, its routes that the paying public want at prices that can attract users to HUY.
As someone whom says lives in Scunthorpe that is approximately 1/2 between HUY & DSA what airport would you be using currently, HUY with high cost routes to AMS & ABZ and then theres DSA with european routes with affordable prices.
Doesnt take a genius to work out that DSA is the airport that once was the domain of HUY (Having said that, I do believe there is a market for HUY but not the market the sentimental HUY supporters have in mind) and that airport has had a long time to attract and grow its market share but just hasnt capitalised for whatever reasons.
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at least there is a new Tunisia for Winter
flybe want to open an Eastern UK base besides Norwich. Now that they have ordered the ERJ195, HUY is in with a chance. The 146 could not make it from HUY to the likes of FAO and AGP in the summer, whereas the E95 can. flybe has said it is considering HUY, DSA and to a much lesser extent, MME. With French routes on the cards from LPL and LBA, would they really start them from DSA too? Surely a UK domestic/Ireland/Europe network from HUY would be better suited to the market.
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I am keeping an open mind about FLYbe, i have heard rumours from many non-aviation enthustasts that it intends to start a few routes from HUY.
It was in the Aircraft Illustrated article about DSA. It is from the CAA apparantly! Doncaster is at least 40 miles away by car and i would have thaught that NEMA would have been the prefered choice for South Yorks air pax!
The problem is that HUY has not got the type of operation that people would travel for but it does an OK job at serving the local area. If a major brand name came in, like at Cardiff with BMIbaby (BMIBaby having chosen Cardiff due to the lack of lo-co operations so no direct competition, they believed that pax from Bristol who could use easyjet, would go to cardiff also) HUY could use the existing customer base with others coming in from other 'invisable' catchment areas for airports such as DSA and LBA!
The actual Humber region, as it is sometimes refered to, has a population of around 870,000 and growing, that doesnt include alot of the northern and western parts of East Yorkshire! The airport has, within an hours drive, around 1 million people.
That may well be the case unfortunately. I am hopeful they do come to HUY, I cant see them wanting to compete against thompsonfly at DSA! And i believe that in the next couple of years Ryanair will have a base at DSA! FLYBe like to operate from smaller 'local' airports and maybe HUY has that appeal!
Who knows, i hope they go for it though!!!
I read somewhere that you suggested only 1% of passengers at Humberside Airport were attributed to South Yorkshire. Being a bit of a statistician I find that incredibly hard to understand, paricularly as Humberside, I believe, is bordered by Doncaster to the west. I don't suppose you can cite your source Andy?
The problem is that HUY has not got the type of operation that people would travel for but it does an OK job at serving the local area. If a major brand name came in, like at Cardiff with BMIbaby (BMIBaby having chosen Cardiff due to the lack of lo-co operations so no direct competition, they believed that pax from Bristol who could use easyjet, would go to cardiff also) HUY could use the existing customer base with others coming in from other 'invisable' catchment areas for airports such as DSA and LBA!
The immediate population surrounding HUY (Hull, Grimsby/Cleethorpes, East Riding of Yorkshire, North Lincs etc) amounts to little over 500,000, which is less than Sheffield alone.
Unfortuantley I think Flybe is the last realistic chance for HUY to get a low cost airline. I just hope we get them. With regards to MME surely they could sustain limited Flybe service to BHD/JER/SOU whatever happens at NCL, LBA, DSA or HUY?
Who knows, i hope they go for it though!!!
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There has been a thread running through here, about "hidden agenda's", there is likely some truth in that, most -if not all- UK airports with any clout have a lo-co, HUY does not. I think we can all agree that Airports do not, at the moment, make a profit from lo-co, maybe in about 5/10 years (I think the deal with Liverpool is set to offer a return in 2012 or somesuch), maybe HUY (Manchester's) event horizon does not spread that far? They are and have been a very risk averse airport, understandably so, given it's vulnerability of location -minimum 12 miles from the nearest centre of population very different to the Gatwicks, Heathrows, Liverpools of this world.
WHY DOES NOT HUY TICK!
It looks like a gold-mine. regular rig service -find me another airport that close to that rig area of the North Sea?, a decent runway capable of supporting up to 767, direct link to themotorway network (via 3 miles of a de-trunked A18) close to the Humber sea ports -Immingham & Hull.
OK not many tourists want to see Lincs and Yorks, what we got to offer, Opera North (ha-ha!) and a few second rate concert/pop arenas, but heck we've got nice views!!!!
No, we do not have a dynamic economy, the local councils and regional funders are stuck in some sort of time-warp hoping 'Brassed Off' and 'The Full Monty' are reality and not fantasy. I gather N Lincs are pinning their hopes on developing the South Humber Bank as a giant Chemical works (Fu.. that!), Regionally the labour-force is lean and keen but who wants to gut fish for the rest of their life. The deprivation in areas of Grimsby, Scunny, Hull and Doncaster breaks your heart.
Not suggesting that Airports are a panacea for all the ills -by God the pollution that jets' create is far worse than a traffic jam on the M25! but commerce and industry are such that this is a price we have to pay, and airport salaries are not brill either, in fact one is possibly better off as a security guard up North as the differential is only a few thousand to working the same job down South (where a 2 bed terrace costs £150k!!!!! min).
But swinging back to the main theme, it is a burning question, why since 2001 has HUY not encouraged/obtained scheduled flights and just gone for bucket and spade do they not realise that air travel is more than holiday destinations or is that the agenda..."we have reached our catchment level for holiday flights and therefore will grow based upon population inflation only"
...cking sad!
WHY DOES NOT HUY TICK!
It looks like a gold-mine. regular rig service -find me another airport that close to that rig area of the North Sea?, a decent runway capable of supporting up to 767, direct link to themotorway network (via 3 miles of a de-trunked A18) close to the Humber sea ports -Immingham & Hull.
OK not many tourists want to see Lincs and Yorks, what we got to offer, Opera North (ha-ha!) and a few second rate concert/pop arenas, but heck we've got nice views!!!!
No, we do not have a dynamic economy, the local councils and regional funders are stuck in some sort of time-warp hoping 'Brassed Off' and 'The Full Monty' are reality and not fantasy. I gather N Lincs are pinning their hopes on developing the South Humber Bank as a giant Chemical works (Fu.. that!), Regionally the labour-force is lean and keen but who wants to gut fish for the rest of their life. The deprivation in areas of Grimsby, Scunny, Hull and Doncaster breaks your heart.
Not suggesting that Airports are a panacea for all the ills -by God the pollution that jets' create is far worse than a traffic jam on the M25! but commerce and industry are such that this is a price we have to pay, and airport salaries are not brill either, in fact one is possibly better off as a security guard up North as the differential is only a few thousand to working the same job down South (where a 2 bed terrace costs £150k!!!!! min).
But swinging back to the main theme, it is a burning question, why since 2001 has HUY not encouraged/obtained scheduled flights and just gone for bucket and spade do they not realise that air travel is more than holiday destinations or is that the agenda..."we have reached our catchment level for holiday flights and therefore will grow based upon population inflation only"
...cking sad!
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I gather N Lincs are pinning their hopes on developing the South Humber Bank as a giant Chemical works (Fu.. that!),
Sorry for going off topic. Now back to HUY .........
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A-H,
The plan I saw in the ScunT showed everything from Barrow/New Holland to Immingham as a huge great industrial estate
so much for fresh air. I have driven through the Grimsby estate on the A180 and it smells like boiling paint, what on earth will it smell like with chem fac's all over!!! We will be the 'dirty man of Europe', maybe our employment is cheaper than Wroclow etc!!!! So much for being an advanced first world country, but be happy the big bosses will earn a fortune!!! Be grateful and revel in that fact!
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Barton Upon Humber is better than Scunny any day!!! (sorry Scunny)
The plan I saw in the ScunT showed everything from Barrow/New Holland to Immingham as a huge great industrial estate
so much for fresh air. I have driven through the Grimsby estate on the A180 and it smells like boiling paint, what on earth will it smell like with chem fac's all over!!! We will be the 'dirty man of Europe', maybe our employment is cheaper than Wroclow etc!!!! So much for being an advanced first world country, but be happy the big bosses will earn a fortune!!! Be grateful and revel in that fact! AS IFA-H,
Barton Upon Humber is better than Scunny any day!!! (sorry Scunny)
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Why do they feel the need to build all that on a very pleasent part of the world? What are the plans? Are they on thisisscunthorpe? I think the towns in the area have great potential, Hull and Grimsby have very enviable waterside areas that would be great for luxury offices and appartments. They just need to pull their finger out and get the investers in!
On Radio Humberside they were doing a report on people coming up from the fasionable south east to live in our region (n lincs and e yorks) due to cheaper properties and friendly people! I expect the local population to grow hopefuly bringing in an even more culturally diverse population!
Sorry back to HUY!
On Radio Humberside they were doing a report on people coming up from the fasionable south east to live in our region (n lincs and e yorks) due to cheaper properties and friendly people! I expect the local population to grow hopefuly bringing in an even more culturally diverse population!
Sorry back to HUY!
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It is not on the ScunT web-site as the news article is over 9 months ago, but I am sure N Lincs Council can enlighten. Methinks encouraging a South-North migration is a good idea, providing we do not end up like the South West, an area full of weekend retreats for stockbrokers, although that could encourage a City/Gatwick/Heathrow flight!!!
It is not on the ScunT web-site as the news article is over 9 months ago, but I am sure N Lincs Council can enlighten. Methinks encouraging a South-North migration is a good idea, providing we do not end up like the South West, an area full of weekend retreats for stockbrokers, although that could encourage a City/Gatwick/Heathrow flight!!!
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Well of subject but...............
Deprivation in Scunny, Hull & Grimsby, aint that in every large town throughout the country but have 1st hand info that in one of these area that to encourage unemployed single parent fathers to attend group meetings that the council offer free bacon butties (all food stuffs free but fathers have to cook the bacon, they even complained about that!) and as much tea / coffee, then to encourage them even more after so many attendances (they get a stamp for every attendance) they get a £10 gift voucher for boots.
When asked what they spent there voucher on it seems the local narcotic dealer was doing alot of purchases in boots, wonder where they came from.........
Back to the subject......... no one has yet answered "Is there really a market from HUY to destinations noted on this forum, if there was so much potential traffic why arnt regionals and low cost alike beating the path to fly from HUY."
Deprivation in Scunny, Hull & Grimsby, aint that in every large town throughout the country but have 1st hand info that in one of these area that to encourage unemployed single parent fathers to attend group meetings that the council offer free bacon butties (all food stuffs free but fathers have to cook the bacon, they even complained about that!) and as much tea / coffee, then to encourage them even more after so many attendances (they get a stamp for every attendance) they get a £10 gift voucher for boots.
When asked what they spent there voucher on it seems the local narcotic dealer was doing alot of purchases in boots, wonder where they came from.........
Back to the subject......... no one has yet answered "Is there really a market from HUY to destinations noted on this forum, if there was so much potential traffic why arnt regionals and low cost alike beating the path to fly from HUY."
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no one has yet answered "Is there really a market from HUY to destinations noted on this forum, if there was so much potential traffic why arnt regionals and low cost alike beating the path to fly from HUY."
There are very few airlines that i can think of that would be prepared to use HUY. Saying 'if there is such demand then they would have started by now' isnt realy true. The FLYBE base at NWI for example, they have only just started flying from now and they hardly have an extensive program from there, i suspect they are gradualy going to provide more routes. The airline will need to build on their current bases before announcing more bases hence a predicted announcement for 2006.
Which airlines could you think of that would come to HUY to operate services? Airlines in the past have been unstable franchise carriers, operators starting too many routes too soon and just small airlines with impatient financial backers! None have realy been able to grow the market and they just fail very quickly. Im sure HUY management will be careful not to let that happen again, losing routes and leaving PAX in the lurch does the airport no good at all!
If new routes are ever to be started then i would have thaught a major brand name would be the only real way to pull the pax in! We dont need any EUjets!
I await fingers crossed.
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"We dont need any EUjets!"
I think you should be very garteful if any airline wants to operate out of HUY especially a low cost operation and they even operate F.100's, maybe a size suitable for a regional airport like Humberside.
"Which airlines could you think of that would come to HUY to operate services? "
Then in answering your own question you select who can and cant operate from the airport, obviously your own view but a strange one may I add.
Saying 'if there is such demand then they would have started by now' isnt realy true"
And so you speak for the masses of eager locals queing up to fly to AMS or ABZ? Andy, if there was such a demand that you hype then an operator will of alredy tapped into this "huge" market but alas there is no such operator is there Andy, why not, because there isnt a demand cos the airport doesnt have routes that appeal to the masses.......now take DSA and by the 1st months pax figures I think they have the market that encompasses poor old HUY tapped.
I think you should be very garteful if any airline wants to operate out of HUY especially a low cost operation and they even operate F.100's, maybe a size suitable for a regional airport like Humberside.
"Which airlines could you think of that would come to HUY to operate services? "
Then in answering your own question you select who can and cant operate from the airport, obviously your own view but a strange one may I add.
Saying 'if there is such demand then they would have started by now' isnt realy true"
And so you speak for the masses of eager locals queing up to fly to AMS or ABZ? Andy, if there was such a demand that you hype then an operator will of alredy tapped into this "huge" market but alas there is no such operator is there Andy, why not, because there isnt a demand cos the airport doesnt have routes that appeal to the masses.......now take DSA and by the 1st months pax figures I think they have the market that encompasses poor old HUY tapped.
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Low cost is exactly what it says on the tin!
The lo-co's do not pay anything verbatim, not aware of any other industry where this rule applies. Imagine somewhere like Meadowhall taking on a shop tenant who says
"..I will take one of your units at no cost and sell my goods, they are a brand leader and sell very well, I will keep all my sales profit and I will not pay electricity,rates or any security charges, you can make your profit from the car park to pay my rent coz your car parking charges a £2.00 an hour (or whatever)..."
Imagine it on the railways ...similar rules as above applying, except BR (or whatever they call themselves this week) can get additional income from the sarnies sold in the Lemon Tree!!!
taking on lo-co is either suicide or a brave step, the jury is out.
Flights from HUY?
Certainly not one's that would impact upon their charter market (turkey votes for Christmas!), lo-co internal is a possibility VLM to City or LGW might have legs. Lo-co to South of France could be a go-er, lo-co to Central/Eastern Europe a possibility, maybe even a c/e Europe carrier who knows?
Charter, HUY have flights to Turkey so could offer Cairo/Alexandria, Morocco, Kenya (with a fuel stop) [Air 2000 used to do that LGW-Mombasa, but you did not know until you were on the flight!] Gambia, Norway/Sweden for ski-ing, Latvia etc. nearly anywhere with a fuel stop. Who knows.
The lo-co's do not pay anything verbatim, not aware of any other industry where this rule applies. Imagine somewhere like Meadowhall taking on a shop tenant who says
"..I will take one of your units at no cost and sell my goods, they are a brand leader and sell very well, I will keep all my sales profit and I will not pay electricity,rates or any security charges, you can make your profit from the car park to pay my rent coz your car parking charges a £2.00 an hour (or whatever)..."
Imagine it on the railways ...similar rules as above applying, except BR (or whatever they call themselves this week) can get additional income from the sarnies sold in the Lemon Tree!!!
taking on lo-co is either suicide or a brave step, the jury is out.
Flights from HUY?
Certainly not one's that would impact upon their charter market (turkey votes for Christmas!), lo-co internal is a possibility VLM to City or LGW might have legs. Lo-co to South of France could be a go-er, lo-co to Central/Eastern Europe a possibility, maybe even a c/e Europe carrier who knows?
Charter, HUY have flights to Turkey so could offer Cairo/Alexandria, Morocco, Kenya (with a fuel stop) [Air 2000 used to do that LGW-Mombasa, but you did not know until you were on the flight!] Gambia, Norway/Sweden for ski-ing, Latvia etc. nearly anywhere with a fuel stop. Who knows.
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In your dreams!
7006 Fan - We can all choose a destination, trouble is enticing an opertor and then filling the dam things, just cant see any of those routes being on offer until either we have a new owner of the aiport and has a radical re-think to his business plan or suddenly HUY moves in the night to where it can have those prospective passengers.
Pure pie in the sky 7006 Fan and is just a wish list but maybe the charters could continue to be a sucess
Pure pie in the sky 7006 Fan and is just a wish list but maybe the charters could continue to be a sucess
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I think you should be very garteful if any airline wants to operate out of HUY especially a low cost operation and they even operate F.100's, maybe a size suitable for a regional airport like Humberside.
We dont need any EUjets!"
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For someone with whom has a passion bordering on an obsession regarding HUY I'd of thought the chance for any operator to fly to or from your beloved airport would of been like all your birthdays had come at once.
Is planestation / EU Jet not doing very well, surprising then that they seem to of flown their scheduled routes today without a hitch, surely an airline in trouble would be slashing routes but myabe I'm wrong and your right, yet again.
A contridiction, yes maybe, I have in the past stated that I dont believe that low cost oerators a/c could make a profit from operating to / from HUY but as someone whom has a passion for aviation in the area of HUY (and DSA) I'd like to see any operator (even an operator that lasts 5mins may at least prove if HUY has a market for low cost routes) come and try routes from HUY, prove the doubters like me wrong, but I just cant see it happening.
I believe i'm a realist, you, I belive are something quite different
For someone with whom has a passion bordering on an obsession regarding HUY I'd of thought the chance for any operator to fly to or from your beloved airport would of been like all your birthdays had come at once.
Is planestation / EU Jet not doing very well, surprising then that they seem to of flown their scheduled routes today without a hitch, surely an airline in trouble would be slashing routes but myabe I'm wrong and your right, yet again.
A contridiction, yes maybe, I have in the past stated that I dont believe that low cost oerators a/c could make a profit from operating to / from HUY but as someone whom has a passion for aviation in the area of HUY (and DSA) I'd like to see any operator (even an operator that lasts 5mins may at least prove if HUY has a market for low cost routes) come and try routes from HUY, prove the doubters like me wrong, but I just cant see it happening.
I believe i'm a realist, you, I belive are something quite different
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Enthusiast not obsessed! If EUjet could come in and make a good go of it and stick to it then thats fine i would be happy! If the airline just flopped it would be worse than not operating at all!