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The move of Eastern to Aviance had nothing to do with bmi or the LCY route. Eastern are moving as a result of less than adequate performance by their current supplier and Aviance offered a good deal.
The LCY route may happen but not on behalf of bmi who announced yesterday they are scrapping the route from 29th April.
Eastern Engineers will perform the powerbacks from the end of May due to, as you rightly comment, a lack of ground support. Rumour has it they are leasing Aviance equipment pending a start up of Aviance on the ramp. About time too !
Totally agree with your other comments, it's like proper airports were 20 years ago ! Wake up LBIA and catch up......
The move of Eastern to Aviance had nothing to do with bmi or the LCY route. Eastern are moving as a result of less than adequate performance by their current supplier and Aviance offered a good deal.
The LCY route may happen but not on behalf of bmi who announced yesterday they are scrapping the route from 29th April.
Eastern Engineers will perform the powerbacks from the end of May due to, as you rightly comment, a lack of ground support. Rumour has it they are leasing Aviance equipment pending a start up of Aviance on the ramp. About time too !
Totally agree with your other comments, it's like proper airports were 20 years ago ! Wake up LBIA and catch up......
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All booking systems and on-line timetables currently show the LCY service reducing to just one flight in each direction per day; the BD503 southbound and the BD510 northbound w.e.f. 30th April.
If this is true, is this a 'holding position' to allow a new carrier to get themselves set up and on the route. It doesn't sound like something bmi would want to be doing for any longer than necessary (unless this is one of their bright sparks' idea of a new route strategy). What will the ATR be doing on the 10 hour turnaround in LCY? Perhaps coming back to LBA and covering for all the Embraers that keep going tech?
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If this is true, is this a 'holding position' to allow a new carrier to get themselves set up and on the route. It doesn't sound like something bmi would want to be doing for any longer than necessary (unless this is one of their bright sparks' idea of a new route strategy). What will the ATR be doing on the 10 hour turnaround in LCY? Perhaps coming back to LBA and covering for all the Embraers that keep going tech?
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I am copying this reply I made on the ATC issues forum
nginear,
If you have a problem with this guy and you see him regularly, why don't you approach him directly and settle your differences.
YOU took the decision to "out" him on this forum, by leaving no doubt as to who it was. You have therefore publicly humiliated him and casted doubts on his professionalism. Those of us who know the individual, have a right to defend his good name and the many years of excellent service he has provided to his customers.
This whole thread stinks of someone having a public vendetta against someone who does not deserve the abuse!
Go and find another pond to throw your stones in!
nginear,
If you have a problem with this guy and you see him regularly, why don't you approach him directly and settle your differences.
YOU took the decision to "out" him on this forum, by leaving no doubt as to who it was. You have therefore publicly humiliated him and casted doubts on his professionalism. Those of us who know the individual, have a right to defend his good name and the many years of excellent service he has provided to his customers.
This whole thread stinks of someone having a public vendetta against someone who does not deserve the abuse!
Go and find another pond to throw your stones in!
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The bmi LBA-LCY service will be scrapped completely from next week. Don't know if or when Eastern will take over this route. From next Wednesday the Airbus will be operating the Heathrow sectors...well that's the plan at the moment! Obviously no mention of the LCY flights are on the bmi or LBIA website...why should it.
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Ho hum. Take with one hand and give with the other.
Will those already booked on the LCY be offered re-booking on the extra seats now available on the A319?
At least WOW now in their second week are continuing as well as their first. A company that knows what advertising is and why it is important! Well done to all at Air Southwest especially the marketing department. I would love to know how many people there are in that section of the company. In line with their Southwest region origins is seems many passengers are originating from the PLH/NQY/BRS end. I hope its getting good support from the end LBA too.
PTH
Will those already booked on the LCY be offered re-booking on the extra seats now available on the A319?
At least WOW now in their second week are continuing as well as their first. A company that knows what advertising is and why it is important! Well done to all at Air Southwest especially the marketing department. I would love to know how many people there are in that section of the company. In line with their Southwest region origins is seems many passengers are originating from the PLH/NQY/BRS end. I hope its getting good support from the end LBA too.
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Everyone please can we get back on topic......Leeds Bradford Expansion??
INKJET one of your last postings was very nagative. This is not like you, was it having had a bad day?
Remember boys and girls, not all services will succeed. The way BMI have addvertised the route hasn't exactly been desirable and it hasn't done them any favors. If the service is to be withdrawn it will not be the first service ever to have the plug pulled.
Putting everything into perspective, LBA is still doing well, it has a good split of traffic between Business traffic and Leisure. No one can argue that there is still a long way to go for LBA to get to where is should be, but these things take time.
Over the next few weeks we are very likely to see a raft of publicity about DSA, remember folks this airport is 45 minutes plus down the road. I have always thought the new airport will do well, but it will never replace LBA as the main airport for Leeds or Bradford. The future for LBA remains bright, but I can't argue that we need to move a little closer to the light at the end of the tunnel!
I think after all the excitement about DSAs opening over the next few weeks has blown over, we will see additional services announced from LBA and if LBA are smart enough they will do some counter marketing!
Leeds Bradford Expansion!
Where is the Masterplan?????
INKJET one of your last postings was very nagative. This is not like you, was it having had a bad day?
Remember boys and girls, not all services will succeed. The way BMI have addvertised the route hasn't exactly been desirable and it hasn't done them any favors. If the service is to be withdrawn it will not be the first service ever to have the plug pulled.
Putting everything into perspective, LBA is still doing well, it has a good split of traffic between Business traffic and Leisure. No one can argue that there is still a long way to go for LBA to get to where is should be, but these things take time.
Over the next few weeks we are very likely to see a raft of publicity about DSA, remember folks this airport is 45 minutes plus down the road. I have always thought the new airport will do well, but it will never replace LBA as the main airport for Leeds or Bradford. The future for LBA remains bright, but I can't argue that we need to move a little closer to the light at the end of the tunnel!
I think after all the excitement about DSAs opening over the next few weeks has blown over, we will see additional services announced from LBA and if LBA are smart enough they will do some counter marketing!
Leeds Bradford Expansion!
Where is the Masterplan?????
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I do not have a problem with this guy, never met him and thus do not know him. If he wants to go around professional aviators and look like a tw*t then so be it. It is not my fault that I have posted the truth. It is up to the people in higher positions to ensure that they are not open to remarks that could damage their careers.
I can't say I'm surprised that BMI are s**tcanning the London City service. After all, they haven't exactly gone to the ends of the Earth to advertise the service. The best I saw was an advertising hoarding mounted on a van about a hundred yards from the terminal. In late February. Nowt since then. First British European and now BMI. I hope this farce doesn't discourage other potential operators from giving it a go. VLM anyone ?
To other matters, today brought a classic foggy Yeadon morning with RW14 as the designate runway in use and only a CAT1 ILS.
Thankfully, by the time the WOW and FlyBe appeared the wind was more or less across the runway and both aircraft were able to make a CAT2 approach to RW32, albeit waiting around for the RVR touchdown to reach 300m. Lucky these aircraft (DHC8) have good performance on marginal runways. The question is, can the ILS on RW14 be upgraded to at least CAT2 and if so will it ever happen ? Abject apologies for recycling an old topic but it is still topical and I'm reminded of it every time it's foggy round here.
To other matters, today brought a classic foggy Yeadon morning with RW14 as the designate runway in use and only a CAT1 ILS.
Thankfully, by the time the WOW and FlyBe appeared the wind was more or less across the runway and both aircraft were able to make a CAT2 approach to RW32, albeit waiting around for the RVR touchdown to reach 300m. Lucky these aircraft (DHC8) have good performance on marginal runways. The question is, can the ILS on RW14 be upgraded to at least CAT2 and if so will it ever happen ? Abject apologies for recycling an old topic but it is still topical and I'm reminded of it every time it's foggy round here.
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Mooncrest, I thought the WOW and BE aircraft could only do CAT1 landings anyway?
What makes me annoyed is the fact that even while the airport is in the public hands, the airport authorities are not giving anyone any information on whether or not it is to upgrade any of the facilities and runways.
The airports own website has had nothing new posted in the developments section for months. There is nothing new in the corporate section either. Where is the airports development strategy, or is it the usual, 'we don't have one' ?
What are you planning to do with OUR airport??????
What makes me annoyed is the fact that even while the airport is in the public hands, the airport authorities are not giving anyone any information on whether or not it is to upgrade any of the facilities and runways.
The airports own website has had nothing new posted in the developments section for months. There is nothing new in the corporate section either. Where is the airports development strategy, or is it the usual, 'we don't have one' ?
What are you planning to do with OUR airport??????
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Nope, not negative (or nagative
Just realistic, you go anywhere else in Europe, well the North at least and they just do it so much better, you get fed up of saying to the pax " sorry were 10 minutes early, and we've caught the ground staff napping" just be a short delay whilst they get here!!
We should pride our selfs on doing it right from the sign posts on the way in all the way through to thanking them for flying from Gods own airport, in Gods own County, there, no more to add, time to take the dog to the pub
Cheers
Burt
Just realistic, you go anywhere else in Europe, well the North at least and they just do it so much better, you get fed up of saying to the pax " sorry were 10 minutes early, and we've caught the ground staff napping" just be a short delay whilst they get here!!
We should pride our selfs on doing it right from the sign posts on the way in all the way through to thanking them for flying from Gods own airport, in Gods own County, there, no more to add, time to take the dog to the pub
Cheers
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The only way 14 will get Cat 2 is to remove the big hill. The airport authority will not make statements incase of looking foolish. Who own the airport? Local councils. These people have no idea how to run an airport, they rely on the management they appointed. The LBA management have no idea of running an airport, the people who do are the airline companies. Please look at the history of why LBA is doing well at the moment. It is not the council owners nor the management team but the airlines. Many years ago the airport director said that ski flights would not work, the present MD said that LBA did not want a LOCO at the airport. Look at what the airport is doing now, Ski Flights and a major LOCO. Look how the airport is doing. The increase in business is phenominal, not due to LBA but due to the demands of the public and the airlines giving the service.
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ILS - your posts on this topic and others point at some sort of agenda on your part. You seem to have real beef with "management" of all forms and especially those at Leeds - no doubt the reasons behind that appalling post of yours a few days back. Why don't you just come out with exactly what your gripe is instead of all this waffle.
Getting back on topic - word on the street is 2 or 3 new destinations from TUi have been secured for Summer06. Announcement due on Thursday.
loco
Getting back on topic - word on the street is 2 or 3 new destinations from TUi have been secured for Summer06. Announcement due on Thursday.
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ILS, I did say runways and FACILITIES, the management doesn't go to any lengths to say what it intends to do with the airport. Even the management have openly said the airport WILL be at capacity within the next year, with passenger numbers topping 3 million, still there is no sign of what the airport intends to do to facilitate increased passenger numbers. 
Before this slips back into a debate about the airport been sold off, whether it is going to happen or not, they are still required to plan for the future.
Before this slips back into a debate about the airport been sold off, whether it is going to happen or not, they are still required to plan for the future.
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Just because they haven't released their plans for expansion to the public, doesn't mean those plans haven't been formulated. I've been told to expect the release of the 'masterplan' "this summer" which means it is there or thereabouts. I can understand why the airport are keeping it close to their chest because the last thing you want is bits and pieces being leaked out to the press and then lots of half-cocked stories start appearing - especially bearing in mind the ghosts of LACAN are still lingering. Better surely to keep it under wraps and then release it in a controlled manner.
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''Getting back on topic - word on the street is 2 or 3 new destinations from TUi have been secured for Summer06. Announcement due on Thursday. ''
Hope your right! Would seem strange to announce a load of routes last week, and then announce some a week later. If we look at the routes some of the other regionals have got, could we be expecting the likes of Paphos and Rhodes?
(Ok, maybe im been a bit far fetched here )
Hope your right! Would seem strange to announce a load of routes last week, and then announce some a week later. If we look at the routes some of the other regionals have got, could we be expecting the likes of Paphos and Rhodes?
(Ok, maybe im been a bit far fetched here
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How do you lower the slope from 3.5 to 3 without taking out the chevin? There are more obstructons to affect MDA's DH's etc than the chevin. Where do you put the extra lights required without reducing the LDA?
Secondly. I am not against LBA nor its management. I have friends at LBA with whom I have professional discussions. I only air their opinions, which is intended as criticism in order to improve airport matters. All scenarios and opinions I state are what have been echoed to me. Please do not "tar me with the brush" of being against LBA. I am not. It is up to the airport management to examine their own internal policies to increase morale.
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Secondly. I am not against LBA nor its management. I have friends at LBA with whom I have professional discussions. I only air their opinions, which is intended as criticism in order to improve airport matters. All scenarios and opinions I state are what have been echoed to me. Please do not "tar me with the brush" of being against LBA. I am not. It is up to the airport management to examine their own internal policies to increase morale.
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Only a small point, but I can't understand why the airport do not show the Air Southwest Leeds - Plymouth flights on the departures/arrivals boards. I accept that it is the same aircraft as the Bristol and Newquay flight, but the PLH flight has a unique flight number, so could also be shown in addition.
As I said only a small point, but at least it would highlight the fact that a Plymouth service is also available from LBA. Every bit of marketing/publicity helps !
Something along the lines of ;
18.50 WOW 487 Newquay via Bristol
18.50 WOW 2487 Plymouth
As I said only a small point, but at least it would highlight the fact that a Plymouth service is also available from LBA. Every bit of marketing/publicity helps !
Something along the lines of ;
18.50 WOW 487 Newquay via Bristol
18.50 WOW 2487 Plymouth