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Stewart28, is your Dad ok with you posting the announcment before next weeks official one? It has been common knowledge for a while now ( see my post No: 625) but I thought the commitee would wish to let Aer Arann announce it properly.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that he is going to hear an awful lot about this site very soon. Might be time to pedal backwards real fast and start deleting, otherwise you may become very unpopular with Pa.
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As "that guy" I'd be interested to know what you mean. If the IAA implements CAS on the Irish side of the border which is delegated as required to Eglinton ATC, but there is no CAS on the UK side of the border, that means commecial air transport aircraft will go from outside CAS to inside CAS and back to outside CAS again between the initial, intermediate and final stages of an instrument approach to runway 08. I can't see the CAA approving that. It would also mean the crazy situation where a light aircraft flying at, say, 2500ft from west to east would require a clearance from Eglinton to transit the Irish side of the airspace but then on reaching the border could then just report leaving the frequency and carry on, directly over the airport. Again, I have a wee suspicion that DAP might have the odd view to express about that sort of arrangement.
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that guy who says that it MUST mean a parallel proposal coming for controlled airspace round EGAE is wrong. It doesn't
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So Aer Arann are to introduce a few routes from Derry?
Great news obviously, but let's hope they give it a better go than the last time, and when the inevitable happens, and PSO funding is cut, they don't run off again.
I was hoping a robust airline like Flybe would take on the challenge of regional routes from Derry.
Great news obviously, but let's hope they give it a better go than the last time, and when the inevitable happens, and PSO funding is cut, they don't run off again.
I was hoping a robust airline like Flybe would take on the challenge of regional routes from Derry.
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. . . . let's hope they give it a better go than the last time, and when the inevitable happens, and PSO funding is cut, they don't run off again. . . .
Pearson Announces New Air Links For Londonderry
Seems curious to start a route when funding is available, to then quit it and then reopen it when no funding is available. That was only 5 years ago.
However LDY is a substantially different airport to 5 years ago and who knows what pressures Aer Arann were under back then.
Welcome nevertheless.
Considering Loganair operated LDY-MAN at the same time as RE for a few months, the following highlights how pax numbers were increasing on both BHX and MAN (also remembering both ceased halfway through 2005):
http://www.cityofderryairport.com/pd...nger_Stats.pdf
Obviously the demand was there, but for some reason RE ceased operating the routes.
http://www.cityofderryairport.com/pd...nger_Stats.pdf
Obviously the demand was there, but for some reason RE ceased operating the routes.
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Neither MAN or EDI are bases for RE so how will they a/c for these yet unconfirmed flights be found? Will the a/c come in from DUB then go out to EDI or MAN? If so this would mean for example in the morning the first flight to back to DUB would be too late to start a business day thus harming the route further. So my point is could Aer Arann be about to announce a base at LDY? Heres hoping. Roll on next weeks announcement 
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Au contraire! Manchester ceased 9th January 2006 so the 17,217 passengers in 2005 represents a whole year, though the attached report states that British Airways will cease the route (that Aer Arann commenced in June 2004)! Not sure what was going on. And no mention of when the Birmingham ceased.
Derry City Council - City of Derry Airport Route Update
Was it actually Loganair operating as British Airways and did they take over the Manchester route but not bother about Birmingham when Aer Arann lost the DUB PSO?
Anyway I presume that Aer Arann would want at least 20K pax p.a. on each route. Together with the Ryanair flight to Faro (also 20K) that would be 60K new passengers to make up for the 90K lost in 2009. Ho Hum.
Derry City Council - City of Derry Airport Route Update
Was it actually Loganair operating as British Airways and did they take over the Manchester route but not bother about Birmingham when Aer Arann lost the DUB PSO?
Anyway I presume that Aer Arann would want at least 20K pax p.a. on each route. Together with the Ryanair flight to Faro (also 20K) that would be 60K new passengers to make up for the 90K lost in 2009. Ho Hum.
Amelia, I sit corrected.
The LDY MAN route always confused me. I recall flying with BA Regional (or whatever they used to be called) on a jet, probably an Embraer. Then BA pulled off the route, with Loganair in BA livery taking it over immediately. I know this because I flew MAN to Derry with BA Reg, on a jet, and returned with BA Loganair in a Saab 340 a week later!
Speedbird, I too was wondering where the aircraft were coming from for RE to operate these routes; especially with EI Regional using several of RE's existing fleet.
The LDY MAN route always confused me. I recall flying with BA Regional (or whatever they used to be called) on a jet, probably an Embraer. Then BA pulled off the route, with Loganair in BA livery taking it over immediately. I know this because I flew MAN to Derry with BA Reg, on a jet, and returned with BA Loganair in a Saab 340 a week later!
Speedbird, I too was wondering where the aircraft were coming from for RE to operate these routes; especially with EI Regional using several of RE's existing fleet.
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Aer Arann according to the website have bases in Dublin, Galway, Cork and Waterford.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves! While they don't have bases in either Edinburgh or Manchester, they do however serve both those cities and so could simply do a W from Edinburgh or Manchester!
Interestingly they also serve Bristol (from Cork). Remember the LDY-BRS route served the equivalent of 45K pax p.a. when operated by Ryanair, substantially larger that the 17K p.a. the LDY-MAN carried in 2005. But again, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves! While they don't have bases in either Edinburgh or Manchester, they do however serve both those cities and so could simply do a W from Edinburgh or Manchester!
Interestingly they also serve Bristol (from Cork). Remember the LDY-BRS route served the equivalent of 45K pax p.a. when operated by Ryanair, substantially larger that the 17K p.a. the LDY-MAN carried in 2005. But again, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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While they don't have bases in either Edinburgh or Manchester, they do however serve both those cities and so could simply do a W from Edinburgh or Manchester!
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Do you really think RE will operate LDY/MAN/EDI? The reason I ask is that there is a silly game being played out in the air with relation to Irish aviation, a game that has no real logic to you or me. This game is where FR chase and smoke out all Irish airlines for some strange reason. What the outcome would be, RE would announce these routes, the next day FR would announce LDY to EDI and MAN for 25p return. Once RE vacate then FR would run the service down. Unless LDY airport were to step in and say no to FR, which they cannot do as 80% of its schedules passengers are probably carried by FR. If it were not for this silly game then I would probably say that RE would suit LDY very well. That's just my thoughts on it all IMO.
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Ryanair will 100% not operate LDY - MAN as they have pulled out of MAN with the exception of the DUB service. RYR also operate to PIK from LDY so I can't see them operating to two different routes so close. They aren't even going to continue to operate to two different London airports with LTN being axed in March in favor of a daily STN. I think RE are safe on this one.
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While Ryanair do appear to bare a spite for Aer Lingus and Easyjet I think they don't regard Aer Arann as worth being bothered about. Also Aer Arann only operate on the thinner routes that Ryanair can't, for example Galway-Edinburgh or Waterford-Manchester but not Dublin to either destination, thus avoiding each other. Indeed I would have thought that buying Aer Arann would have made more sense than trying to buy Aer Lingus but that's another story.
Ryanair and Aer Arann have peacefully co-existed at LDY for years and FR have shown no interest in the Aer Arann DUB route.
Ryanair effectively no longer operate to MAN, have pulled LDY-BRS and have shown no interest in LDY-EDI which they possibly could have, but given that they don't even have a daily PIK-LDY now, I doubt they would be interested.
Ryanair and Aer Arann have peacefully co-existed at LDY for years and FR have shown no interest in the Aer Arann DUB route.
Ryanair effectively no longer operate to MAN, have pulled LDY-BRS and have shown no interest in LDY-EDI which they possibly could have, but given that they don't even have a daily PIK-LDY now, I doubt they would be interested.
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Ryanair have been trying to knock Aer Arann off the Cork-Dublin route for years and are now going head to head with them on the Cork-La Rochelle route so I think there is no love lost between these 2 airlines. It's also quite likely that either airline will announce a Derry base in the not too distant future.
CCR, "likely" or did you mean "unlikely"? I have no doubt RYR have no intention in creating a base at Derry. Just look at the schedule history.
This fact convinces me that any airline that wants to operate "regional" services from LDY will have no direct competition from RYR. Certainly any MAN route will have to compete with RYR LPL, but that's about it.
If as Gate22 says (and I'm touched by his concern) RYR want to "smoke out" Irish aviation, so be it. Let's see RYR fill a 737-800 to EDI; or MAN, an airport they kicked in the teeth some time ago.
This fact convinces me that any airline that wants to operate "regional" services from LDY will have no direct competition from RYR. Certainly any MAN route will have to compete with RYR LPL, but that's about it.
If as Gate22 says (and I'm touched by his concern) RYR want to "smoke out" Irish aviation, so be it. Let's see RYR fill a 737-800 to EDI; or MAN, an airport they kicked in the teeth some time ago.
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With the impending announcement(hopefully) of new services, I was was trying to recall what the previous Aer Arann scheduling was for LDY - MAN. I remember it was daily but does anyone remember what the departure/arrival times were?
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Again more RYR questions to be asked! They just announced Knock - Barcelona three times a week from May. Not a sniff of a mention for LDY(although Thomson do operate a weekly service from May from LDY) but still would have been nice. It is very clear a base for RYR from NOC is mow more likely than one at LDY.