What's happening with BMIbaby?
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The fact is that the British Midland group highest profit was in 1998 at £17 million and that was only due to a three-day cabin crew strike at BA. Even when there was little competition around has rarely made a profit above £10 a year and this is poor when considering all those 80 or slots given to them by the Major government in 80'S and Lufthansa's continued contribution.
I spoke to a Midite once and he told that the whole operation was either a front for something else and the aircraft just a train set for an eccentric millionaire. Personally it just might be a giant chocolate factory and WW stands for Willie Wonka. Maybe he just holding out to find an honest person to take over but if those golden tickets are between those sick bags and in-flight magazines with ever- changing route maps and liveries, it won't be me!
I spoke to a Midite once and he told that the whole operation was either a front for something else and the aircraft just a train set for an eccentric millionaire. Personally it just might be a giant chocolate factory and WW stands for Willie Wonka. Maybe he just holding out to find an honest person to take over but if those golden tickets are between those sick bags and in-flight magazines with ever- changing route maps and liveries, it won't be me!
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hanger35, [alledgedly] the reason the stated profit is so low is because it's a private company. Analysts reckon the profit they make on a turnover of £900m is so low it ain't worth doing.
So why do they do it? Just because they say they only made £10m profit doesn't mean that's the only profit made.
There are other ways of siphoning out money......
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So why do they do it? Just because they say they only made £10m profit doesn't mean that's the only profit made.
There are other ways of siphoning out money......
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Seems to me that in aviation terms an airline thats lasted for over 40yrs through gentle planned expansion must be getting something right
and like him or loathe him SMB is no fool
and like him or loathe him SMB is no fool
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Have baby another aircraft availability problem on their hands this bank holiday weekend?
WW service MAN-AGP-MAN being operated by bmi mainline A320 today.
WW service MAN-AGP-MAN being operated by bmi mainline A320 today.
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Im not sure how they are doing aircraft wise at Man at present but i do know G-BYZJ went tech yesterday in BCN as an Ema aircraft had to rescue the pax last night and position back BCN-MAN-EMA.
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Have baby another aircraft availability problem on their hands this bank holiday weekend?
Just a numbered other
whatunion???. Some regard for English might give any point you are trying to make some substance.
Bmibaby is doing just fine, and to compete in the low cost sector can't carry any fat. So, when aircraft deliveries are delayed, leasing-in is the answer. What makes that so different from Easy using Chanex?
BCN is going because there is more profit in taking up another GLA rotation. The poor slot for BCN means that the public won't support it.
Mind you, hangar 35 has a point. The only profit, and therefore profit share, coincided with trying to impress the Star Alliance that bmi was a worthy partner.
SMDB is no fool, and if he chooses to pocket the profit by any legal means available...............so be it.
EastMids. The huge queues and herd mentality can hardly be laid at the airlines' door. The latest 'improvements' in the terminal have created a choke point where the stairs to the restaurant used to be. No problem if they spent a few bob on improving the security check area and less on improving the retail outlets. Oh! Silly me. There's no profit in that is there?
And then there's staff parking..........but that's another story
Bmibaby is doing just fine, and to compete in the low cost sector can't carry any fat. So, when aircraft deliveries are delayed, leasing-in is the answer. What makes that so different from Easy using Chanex?
BCN is going because there is more profit in taking up another GLA rotation. The poor slot for BCN means that the public won't support it.
Mind you, hangar 35 has a point. The only profit, and therefore profit share, coincided with trying to impress the Star Alliance that bmi was a worthy partner.
SMDB is no fool, and if he chooses to pocket the profit by any legal means available...............so be it.
EastMids. The huge queues and herd mentality can hardly be laid at the airlines' door. The latest 'improvements' in the terminal have created a choke point where the stairs to the restaurant used to be. No problem if they spent a few bob on improving the security check area and less on improving the retail outlets. Oh! Silly me. There's no profit in that is there?
And then there's staff parking..........but that's another story
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What's happening with BMIbaby at EMA ?
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Over the last few days, BMIbaby have cancelled loads of flights esp Malaga, i know as we carried there passengers on our flights back, pax were not very happy with BMIbaby.
Yesterday all there flights were severly delayed. What is happening there?
Over the last few days, BMIbaby have cancelled loads of flights esp Malaga, i know as we carried there passengers on our flights back, pax were not very happy with BMIbaby.
Yesterday all there flights were severly delayed. What is happening there?
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How about the worst rostering you can ever imagine!
Not enough crew at MME and MAN so they send crew from EMA just to get the flights off the ground! New crew at MAN are sometimes lasting no more than a week, so the EMA lot get sent up to stay in hotels. Not much fun for £18 a night really!
Me thinks some sorting out needs to be done....
Not enough crew at MME and MAN so they send crew from EMA just to get the flights off the ground! New crew at MAN are sometimes lasting no more than a week, so the EMA lot get sent up to stay in hotels. Not much fun for £18 a night really!
Me thinks some sorting out needs to be done....
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It was also as two aircraft went tech over the weekend (with SK going tech all day on Saturday, managing to be fixed then subsequently went tech again in Murcia) and the Fokker 100 that was meant to replace SK also went tech! Two cancellations on Sunday and aircraft running 3 hours late. On Monday (7th) Channel Express had to come into operate the Paris and even then flights were running with 3 hour delays and the late nite Barcelona did not arrive bac until 4am on a 1am scheduled arrival! Here at EMA baby is really struggling.
Two cancellations on Sunday and aircraft running 3 hours late. On Monday (7th) Channel Express had to come into operate the Paris and even then flights were running with 3 hour delays and the late nite Barcelona did not arrive bac until 4am on a 1am scheduled arrival! Here at EMA baby is really struggling.
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But yesterday...everything went swimmingly...
Every days a challenge of sorts...
Why can/t the doom mongerers accept that
sh1t happens....deal with it..
We have to.
Every days a challenge of sorts...
Why can/t the doom mongerers accept that
sh1t happens....deal with it..
We have to.
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I think we all do appreciate that sometimes sh!t does it the fan for every airline at some point, but it seems with baby at EMA it appears to occur more regularly than elsewhere. Its true we do get days when it all runs well but ever since we started LGW operations the reliability of our flights has nosedived. I do think it is partly to do with having a small fleet spread very thinly throughout the country. Baby has no spare aircraft so they have to rely on to cancel flights (not a popular move), subcontract Titan or Channex in, get what they can from bmi or just operate with horrendous delays. Would you be happy with a 3 hour delay upto Edinburgh???
Don't get me wrong i think baby has a good concept and a strong product but with EZY and FR as its nearest competition, who seem to be operating with far fewer delays and (probably) lower prices, how can they not be a certain amount of migration of passengers from baby to them?
Don't get me wrong i think baby has a good concept and a strong product but with EZY and FR as its nearest competition, who seem to be operating with far fewer delays and (probably) lower prices, how can they not be a certain amount of migration of passengers from baby to them?
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I have to agree with BDWW about the fleet being spread a bit thinly throughout the Uk especially with G-BVKA and G-BVKC already gone to Thomson but i am told more replacements are due soon.
But it just seems to happen when an aircraft becomes Ema based it decides to go tech on us and its like a bug in humans if one goes wrong you can guarantee at least another couple will decide to go tech as well.
As Little Blue Says these things happen will continue to happen for the future just have to get on with it.
But it just seems to happen when an aircraft becomes Ema based it decides to go tech on us and its like a bug in humans if one goes wrong you can guarantee at least another couple will decide to go tech as well.
As Little Blue Says these things happen will continue to happen for the future just have to get on with it.
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The EMA - Dublin service must be on borrowed time with FR now up to three daily and sitting right on top of WW's 1930 departure. I assume Ryan's Murcia is biting too?
Net gain to EMA from 'attracting' FR will be zero if they end up knocking WW off a few routes - which seems inevitable.
Net gain to EMA from 'attracting' FR will be zero if they end up knocking WW off a few routes - which seems inevitable.
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But the net gain won't be zero if, by getting their foot in the door, FR start to offer new different destinations.
You could ask what was the gain to FR flying to GRO when WW and EZY already fly to BCN - all of a sudden we see the reshuffle that yesterday became a reality, EZY off BCN and on CIA and CGN, and WW off BCN and increasing GLA.
Net gain to the EMA destination list = 2 new cities. (okay I am pushing it calling GRO a Barcelona service)
Maybe I am cynical, and probably I know nothing, but as far as bmibaby are concerned I think I feel a "Buzz" coming on. bmimummy could then move back on the CDG, AMS etc. Net gain to EMA? Yes.
Would you agree - the worst thing about working in aviation is you never can be sure what is going to happen - and the best thing about working in aviation? - is you can never be sure what is going to happen!
You could ask what was the gain to FR flying to GRO when WW and EZY already fly to BCN - all of a sudden we see the reshuffle that yesterday became a reality, EZY off BCN and on CIA and CGN, and WW off BCN and increasing GLA.
Net gain to the EMA destination list = 2 new cities. (okay I am pushing it calling GRO a Barcelona service)
Maybe I am cynical, and probably I know nothing, but as far as bmibaby are concerned I think I feel a "Buzz" coming on. bmimummy could then move back on the CDG, AMS etc. Net gain to EMA? Yes.
Would you agree - the worst thing about working in aviation is you never can be sure what is going to happen - and the best thing about working in aviation? - is you can never be sure what is going to happen!
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When bmi regional began to restructure their costs on their services out of NEMA (and subsequently other routes) when Go began their no-frills flights from the airport in 2002, I never really figured out why bmi didn't maintain their operations at the airport.
Whilst it's clear that the no-frills airlines would take a chunk of the market, there are still those passengers that appreciate the "frills" and pay extra for this, a flexible ticket & their frequent flyer miles. regional was successful on lots of their short, business (and weekend break) routes to AMS, BRU, CDG which I think they would still be (albeit an ERJ or maybe A318/9 now the Fokkers are almost gone) very successful.
bmibaby are strongest on thier leisure routes like AGP/MJV/ALC/PMI. Whether the return of regional on the business BRU route will see other business routes going back to mainline I don't know ...
Whilst it's clear that the no-frills airlines would take a chunk of the market, there are still those passengers that appreciate the "frills" and pay extra for this, a flexible ticket & their frequent flyer miles. regional was successful on lots of their short, business (and weekend break) routes to AMS, BRU, CDG which I think they would still be (albeit an ERJ or maybe A318/9 now the Fokkers are almost gone) very successful.
bmibaby are strongest on thier leisure routes like AGP/MJV/ALC/PMI. Whether the return of regional on the business BRU route will see other business routes going back to mainline I don't know ...
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BMIbaby most punctual !!!!! i don't think so
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Im my local paper yesterday ( 14th June 2004 ) The Derby Evening telegraph, it reported that BMIbaby have scooped an award for being the only airline, with the most punctual of domestic routes, never late, infact always early !
Well i had to chuckle to this, as they are never early, yes you do have the exception sometimes, but the majority of aircraft doing domestics at EMA are always 5 or 10 mins late, yesterday The BMIbaby flight from EDI was over 90 mins late?
How have they won this ? PR stunt perhaps ? i can say this as my mum and dad travelled BMIbaby a few weeks ago to EDI and they were over 3 hours late....
Im my local paper yesterday ( 14th June 2004 ) The Derby Evening telegraph, it reported that BMIbaby have scooped an award for being the only airline, with the most punctual of domestic routes, never late, infact always early !
Well i had to chuckle to this, as they are never early, yes you do have the exception sometimes, but the majority of aircraft doing domestics at EMA are always 5 or 10 mins late, yesterday The BMIbaby flight from EDI was over 90 mins late?
How have they won this ? PR stunt perhaps ? i can say this as my mum and dad travelled BMIbaby a few weeks ago to EDI and they were over 3 hours late....