When do TUI'S 735's Arrive At Coventry?
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The full planning permission for the actual terminal is a seperate PP so this should not effect it at all, but I think you know the way the Councillors will vote on that!
As for astmah, Britain is known for having the highest rate` of this in Europe, with parts of Warwickshire suffering high levels, but that does not include Bagington. It is said that Rugby has a higher concentration possibly (though not proven) because of the Cement works (the same thing is said about Southam & Long Itchington.) But we are a country that suffers and cannot be blamed on a few new flights.
As for astmah, Britain is known for having the highest rate` of this in Europe, with parts of Warwickshire suffering high levels, but that does not include Bagington. It is said that Rugby has a higher concentration possibly (though not proven) because of the Cement works (the same thing is said about Southam & Long Itchington.) But we are a country that suffers and cannot be blamed on a few new flights.
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My children have both developed hacking coughs since 1st April, and the doctor has diagnosed asthma
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Thanks to those of you who have expressed sympathy about my kids, interesting to see the condescing and agressive replies trying to justify your positions, you all have an agenda but are too scared to admit it. But at least it's not your kids eh? so that's ok. Nice to see human nature at it's best.
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Sorry Richard, but the date just makes you case sound even less credible. Did it start happening after midday by any chance?
OK, I'm getting flippant here, but as AS747 rightly says, we are just fed up with one lie after another. We therefore have to dismiss all with ridicule, unless proven to the contrary.
I think my top ten of anti-airport lies (not all attrituble to CAECA though) have to be:
1) Warwick Castle foundations will crumble
2) Coventry will become a magnet for asylum seekers
3) Planes fly low to drop drugs
4) Infant mortality will go up 50%*
5) These planes will cover Warwickshire with jet fuel*
6) The supporters' website is run by the airport*
7) The runway isn't long enough*
8) The plane which crashed in Coventry was a 737, so it is adding insult to injury to use 737's again.
9) "We stopped Rugby", so we can stop Coventry*
10) Bird strikes are a risk to passenger flights only
Ones with a * ARE from the CAECA website or CAECA representatives
Sorry, (2) and (3) are from Coventry Airport "The Facts", a website supported by CAECA
Richard (your last post came through as I was typing)
Can I remind you that you are posting on a pro-aviation website. The airport supporters\' forum (http://www.supportcoventryairport.co.uk/discuss/) does have sections to debate pro v. against.
That may also be a pro-aviation site, but at least it has been open and welcomes contributions from both sides. Something CAECA have never done. Can\'t you see why we have got so angry. We have just heard lie after lie after lie, and now we are fighting back.
Yes, we do have agendas - to defend our industry from ludicrous attacks. That does not make us blindly pro-everything to do with flying, and as many of us have said, we don\'t deny that planes cause pollution. Some of us also believe more needs to be done to cover the full environmental costs of flying.
You have been ridiculed because you posted a suggestion that there was a link between one day of Thomsonfly operations and your kids getting asthma. Other posters have admitted that they themselves suffer from asthma or related conditions. Just because we have no time for your flawed arguments does not mean we are lacking in sympathy for your sons.
OK, I'm getting flippant here, but as AS747 rightly says, we are just fed up with one lie after another. We therefore have to dismiss all with ridicule, unless proven to the contrary.
I think my top ten of anti-airport lies (not all attrituble to CAECA though) have to be:
1) Warwick Castle foundations will crumble
2) Coventry will become a magnet for asylum seekers
3) Planes fly low to drop drugs
4) Infant mortality will go up 50%*
5) These planes will cover Warwickshire with jet fuel*
6) The supporters' website is run by the airport*
7) The runway isn't long enough*
8) The plane which crashed in Coventry was a 737, so it is adding insult to injury to use 737's again.
9) "We stopped Rugby", so we can stop Coventry*
10) Bird strikes are a risk to passenger flights only
Ones with a * ARE from the CAECA website or CAECA representatives
Sorry, (2) and (3) are from Coventry Airport "The Facts", a website supported by CAECA
Richard (your last post came through as I was typing)
Can I remind you that you are posting on a pro-aviation website. The airport supporters\' forum (http://www.supportcoventryairport.co.uk/discuss/) does have sections to debate pro v. against.
That may also be a pro-aviation site, but at least it has been open and welcomes contributions from both sides. Something CAECA have never done. Can\'t you see why we have got so angry. We have just heard lie after lie after lie, and now we are fighting back.
Yes, we do have agendas - to defend our industry from ludicrous attacks. That does not make us blindly pro-everything to do with flying, and as many of us have said, we don\'t deny that planes cause pollution. Some of us also believe more needs to be done to cover the full environmental costs of flying.
You have been ridiculed because you posted a suggestion that there was a link between one day of Thomsonfly operations and your kids getting asthma. Other posters have admitted that they themselves suffer from asthma or related conditions. Just because we have no time for your flawed arguments does not mean we are lacking in sympathy for your sons.
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Asthma?
Erm - maybe that they have grown into the allergy stage of their lives and, coincidentally, the pollen season is upon us. Richard as I have said before you do your cause no favours by introducing wild generalisation - such a your claims about low pay - I still await your apology! No Doctor in the world would suggest a link with the Thomsonfly launch and your kids asthma - not after a month!
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Skypartners,
April 1st was the DAY after the launch. If anyone has any PEER REVIEWED studies of pollution around UK airports, then I'd be interested to read them. I have heard it said that the biggest PROVEN health risk around airports such as LHR and AMS, where some studies have been done is malaria (http://www.aviation-health.org/Newspage.asp?ArtID=140) - and even for this, you are talking about one case in 20 years.
The key issue when quoting evidence regarding pollution is that such studies must have been published in a reputable scientific journal. It is very easy to chuck stuff on a website and make it look authentic, as CAECA have done on just about every issue regarding the airport.
I have searched the bmj (British Medical Journal) website, and it has no record of any studies on airports since 1994.
I would never deny that some pollution risk must exist from aircraft emmissions, although bearing in mind that pollution from aircraft engines is dispersed in three dimensions rather than two, and roads are much closer to the ground than planes, I would also expect their impact to be that much greater.
Then again, Coventry is not Heathrow and the A45 is not the M25, so I really can't imagine the problem is anywhere near the levels the nimbys would like you to believe.
April 1st was the DAY after the launch. If anyone has any PEER REVIEWED studies of pollution around UK airports, then I'd be interested to read them. I have heard it said that the biggest PROVEN health risk around airports such as LHR and AMS, where some studies have been done is malaria (http://www.aviation-health.org/Newspage.asp?ArtID=140) - and even for this, you are talking about one case in 20 years.
The key issue when quoting evidence regarding pollution is that such studies must have been published in a reputable scientific journal. It is very easy to chuck stuff on a website and make it look authentic, as CAECA have done on just about every issue regarding the airport.
I have searched the bmj (British Medical Journal) website, and it has no record of any studies on airports since 1994.
I would never deny that some pollution risk must exist from aircraft emmissions, although bearing in mind that pollution from aircraft engines is dispersed in three dimensions rather than two, and roads are much closer to the ground than planes, I would also expect their impact to be that much greater.
Then again, Coventry is not Heathrow and the A45 is not the M25, so I really can't imagine the problem is anywhere near the levels the nimbys would like you to believe.
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oh terribly, terribly sorry Skypartners, it was £4.75 per hour that you were advertising some of your catering vacancies at the jobcentre, not £4.50 as I mistakenly stated, 25p above the nmw is a much better rate isnt it?
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Hmmmm
And the going rate for catering staff is??
I am surprised you are not rushing to Skypartners for a job Richardms31
And as you seem to think that all the jobs at the airport are low paid, how much does a captain of a 737 earn? waht about a first officer? Cabin Vrew? what about the fire crews who, if your house caught fire would be there quicker than the nearest warwickshire fire tender???
And the going rate for catering staff is??
I am surprised you are not rushing to Skypartners for a job Richardms31
And as you seem to think that all the jobs at the airport are low paid, how much does a captain of a 737 earn? waht about a first officer? Cabin Vrew? what about the fire crews who, if your house caught fire would be there quicker than the nearest warwickshire fire tender???
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£4.75 is better than people claiming the dole.
Well done Skypartners, I have used the passenger facility and your staff were friendly, professional and seemed to be very happy. The same goes for the all the airport staff I met.
I am sure the airport won't let these pathetic NIMBY's ruin what is turning into a great success story at an airport which offers great services for the people of Coventry, Warwickshire and beyond.
PS Are there plans for a bar in the lounge?
Well done Skypartners, I have used the passenger facility and your staff were friendly, professional and seemed to be very happy. The same goes for the all the airport staff I met.
I am sure the airport won't let these pathetic NIMBY's ruin what is turning into a great success story at an airport which offers great services for the people of Coventry, Warwickshire and beyond.
PS Are there plans for a bar in the lounge?
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A new prize?
Richard,
Who's the one doing the antagonising now?
The difference between people on this forum and CAECA is that we are prepared to back up our points with fact.
There was a very interesting meeting at the Chamber of Commerce today where some of the representatives were telling me about the abusive phone calls they'd been getting from anti-airport nuts.
All I can say to you Richard is that I am glad I'm not having to employ you, because with an attitude like yours, giving you minimum wage would make you overpaid.
If you have the guts to set up your own business of any kind, then come back and tell others how to run theirs.
In the meantime, could someone take a look at the map at http://www.warwickshire-wildlife-tru...A-Airport5.jpg
and say just exactly how many of these "at risk" areas are actually under the flight path from Coventry? I can't imagine that any of them would be. Does the Warwickshire Wildlife Trust have any prominent patrons who can be challenged over the nonsense they have just published on their website?
Who's the one doing the antagonising now?
The difference between people on this forum and CAECA is that we are prepared to back up our points with fact.
There was a very interesting meeting at the Chamber of Commerce today where some of the representatives were telling me about the abusive phone calls they'd been getting from anti-airport nuts.
All I can say to you Richard is that I am glad I'm not having to employ you, because with an attitude like yours, giving you minimum wage would make you overpaid.
If you have the guts to set up your own business of any kind, then come back and tell others how to run theirs.
In the meantime, could someone take a look at the map at http://www.warwickshire-wildlife-tru...A-Airport5.jpg
and say just exactly how many of these "at risk" areas are actually under the flight path from Coventry? I can't imagine that any of them would be. Does the Warwickshire Wildlife Trust have any prominent patrons who can be challenged over the nonsense they have just published on their website?
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Mistaken?
That's the polite word for you. The lowest wage advertised by us was £6 for catering assistants and £7 for caterers. I gave you the chance to correct your error and you did not take it - so, being generous, you still seem to be mistaken - because if this misinformation is deliberate that would make you a liar.
Right - now that\'s all out of the way - yep a bar is on the cards but I felt there were bigger issues to get sorted first before we start courting objections to a liquor license. I mean can you imagine the headlines - 'merry airport passengers a threat to local wildlife - say local protestors' etc etc
Right - now that\'s all out of the way - yep a bar is on the cards but I felt there were bigger issues to get sorted first before we start courting objections to a liquor license. I mean can you imagine the headlines - 'merry airport passengers a threat to local wildlife - say local protestors' etc etc
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skypartners, I think you are the mistaken one, I have in my hot little hand a vacancy for your catering staff advertised at £5 per hour, not £6 or £7, although you do have those too. Would you like me to post it to you? If you're not Emma, I suggest you speak to her to get your facts straight. I can't find the £4.75 ones now but I have seen them when you first placed the vacancies. Stop lying, people don't want to work in Baginton anyway as they can't get there. There are hundreds of vacancies in Baginton and they can't be filled, the last thing we need is more.
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Is this because the workers houses in the village which were built to service the airport and the surrounding farms have now been bought up by Coventry commuters and have turned it inro a middle class dormitory village??
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No YOU are wrong
I have worked this out - you are holding (in your hot little hand) a flyer (distributed in Baginton only) for a part-time job advertised in our staff restaurant last August (i.e months B4 the announcement of the launch of the new services) and in no way connected with the recruitment that took place for the new passenger operation. Different job, different place and different time.
The recruitment that commenced after the airline announced its launch was all conducted through the job centres and the airport website where there has never ever been a rate below £6 an hour. The extra revenue created by the airline coming to Coventry created the opportunity to offer such good, well paid positions. Skypartners was not contracted to provide hospitality services until January so nothing that appeared before was related to the expansion. So your posts portray your evidence as being representative of the current position but it is not.
Whilst I would not ordinarily go into such minute detail about our pay policy I will state, once again but hopefully for the last time, that we pay a minimum of £6 an hour - even to our student part timers, which is a significantly above the minimum wage. Richard -your assertion that the airport expansion created only low-paid jobs that nobody wants is just not true. We continue to receive several enquiries every day from wouldbe employees. We also have employees who live in Baginton.
That's all cleared up - Richard, I was polite in suggesting that you were mistaken when making your point - you chose to call me a liar - I'll let the readers decide if that assertion is misdirected.
The recruitment that commenced after the airline announced its launch was all conducted through the job centres and the airport website where there has never ever been a rate below £6 an hour. The extra revenue created by the airline coming to Coventry created the opportunity to offer such good, well paid positions. Skypartners was not contracted to provide hospitality services until January so nothing that appeared before was related to the expansion. So your posts portray your evidence as being representative of the current position but it is not.
Whilst I would not ordinarily go into such minute detail about our pay policy I will state, once again but hopefully for the last time, that we pay a minimum of £6 an hour - even to our student part timers, which is a significantly above the minimum wage. Richard -your assertion that the airport expansion created only low-paid jobs that nobody wants is just not true. We continue to receive several enquiries every day from wouldbe employees. We also have employees who live in Baginton.
That's all cleared up - Richard, I was polite in suggesting that you were mistaken when making your point - you chose to call me a liar - I'll let the readers decide if that assertion is misdirected.
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The issue of Thomsonfly and Coventry seems to have generated more replies and site visits than any other airline or airport topic since PPrune was launched. Fascinating at a time when the whole industry has been through a period of extreme chaos, airlines have been failing at their usual prodigious rate, and airport congestion remains largely unrelieved. Why are Thomson and Coventry so interesting?
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Not sure.
Having lived in Coventry for six years, it's clear that the City itself is definitely keen to see the Airport expand - no matter what the distance is to Brum Airport, Baginton is closer and more convenient. (Maybe the airport itself seems to also have attracted a lot of enthusiasts due to its flying school & shows)
There is also a distinct local identity crisis -- Coventry gets lumped in with Birmingham, which a lot of people here don't like, to the point of even being called Brummies [Which is odd, as the Coventry accent is more like a country bumpkin accent!] and the airport is seen as a major boost to the City, which has seen a lot of its traditional industry die, but has also had a massive boom in the IT sector and high tech, automotice industries, as well as financial & food.
Having lived in Coventry for six years, it's clear that the City itself is definitely keen to see the Airport expand - no matter what the distance is to Brum Airport, Baginton is closer and more convenient. (Maybe the airport itself seems to also have attracted a lot of enthusiasts due to its flying school & shows)
There is also a distinct local identity crisis -- Coventry gets lumped in with Birmingham, which a lot of people here don't like, to the point of even being called Brummies [Which is odd, as the Coventry accent is more like a country bumpkin accent!] and the airport is seen as a major boost to the City, which has seen a lot of its traditional industry die, but has also had a massive boom in the IT sector and high tech, automotice industries, as well as financial & food.
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The mother of all Council U-turns
from http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/01...l&siteid=50003
This morning Joseph Harper QC, on behalf of Warwick District Council, revealed that even if the injunction was eventually granted the authority would not force the terminal to close as long as conditions were agreed to.
He said: "I don't anticipate we are going to close them, if I was to look in my crystal ball and we get permission for an injunction, then it is in everyone's interest to come together to reach an agreement that minimises the environmental impact."
"Mediation may be appropriate now but it was not earlier because we were in the weaker position.
"Now we have a much clearer idea about the conditions that we want.
"If we got an injunction we would suspend it on certain conditions that we have yet to finalise and if they break them then we would return to court."
Mr Harper said the injunction would be suspended until wider planning issues at the airport were resolved.
What a u-turn, if they wanted mediation why didn't they say that weeks ago before spending thousands of pounds of taxpayers money. A sign that they recognise just how weak their case is me thinks.
This morning Joseph Harper QC, on behalf of Warwick District Council, revealed that even if the injunction was eventually granted the authority would not force the terminal to close as long as conditions were agreed to.
He said: "I don't anticipate we are going to close them, if I was to look in my crystal ball and we get permission for an injunction, then it is in everyone's interest to come together to reach an agreement that minimises the environmental impact."
"Mediation may be appropriate now but it was not earlier because we were in the weaker position.
"Now we have a much clearer idea about the conditions that we want.
"If we got an injunction we would suspend it on certain conditions that we have yet to finalise and if they break them then we would return to court."
Mr Harper said the injunction would be suspended until wider planning issues at the airport were resolved.
What a u-turn, if they wanted mediation why didn't they say that weeks ago before spending thousands of pounds of taxpayers money. A sign that they recognise just how weak their case is me thinks.
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What a waste of everyone's time then.
I'd like to know:
How much has this case cost?
Who's paying?
How much will WDC council tax have to rise?
What would happen if airport supporters paid their tax in full, minus this amount?
If someone will be prepared to take the stick for this?
If there is such a thing as a "Basil Fawlty" award for trying keep tourists away? WDC certainly seem to deserve one. Maybe we can lock these idiot councillors in the castle and make an attraction out of them. Raving Ron is certainly a classic comedy act "TUI are Germans and I keep mentioning the war" etc.....
I love his latest challenge - muster 200 people for a pro-airport demonstration and show us your money. How about the 1000 people who demonstrate every day and put their money where their mouth is by using Coventry Airport?
I'd like to know:
How much has this case cost?
Who's paying?
How much will WDC council tax have to rise?
What would happen if airport supporters paid their tax in full, minus this amount?
If someone will be prepared to take the stick for this?
If there is such a thing as a "Basil Fawlty" award for trying keep tourists away? WDC certainly seem to deserve one. Maybe we can lock these idiot councillors in the castle and make an attraction out of them. Raving Ron is certainly a classic comedy act "TUI are Germans and I keep mentioning the war" etc.....
I love his latest challenge - muster 200 people for a pro-airport demonstration and show us your money. How about the 1000 people who demonstrate every day and put their money where their mouth is by using Coventry Airport?
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I see our honorary muppet (J Plaskit MP) has been sticking his oar in again. The leamington courier (14 may, page 8)
has him saying that airspace " conflict can only be managed at times by stacking aeroplanes over Warwick." Why? there is already a host of holds avaliable in the local area. Oh thats right lets scaremonger about jets over warwick castle.
He does at least admit that there is no safety problem with the CVT / BHX interaction.
has him saying that airspace " conflict can only be managed at times by stacking aeroplanes over Warwick." Why? there is already a host of holds avaliable in the local area. Oh thats right lets scaremonger about jets over warwick castle.
He does at least admit that there is no safety problem with the CVT / BHX interaction.