B1900 Rating
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43 Advanced training
Thanks ALLSTATIONS, will check out the thread. I got a quote from 43 advanced training for the rating, you get 16 hours on the sim and 1.5 on the aircraft. Looks good price wise for the time you get. Better than a 3 circuit convex anyhow.
I'm starting the conversion on the 25th June so should be knocking on the operators door during the week! I spoke to some guys from ET that went through the course recently and they said it was top notch, apparently KAS use them as well??
I'm starting the conversion on the 25th June so should be knocking on the operators door during the week! I spoke to some guys from ET that went through the course recently and they said it was top notch, apparently KAS use them as well??
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1900 Rating
Hey Turbine Driver
If you want probably the best 1900 course at an affordable rate then PM me and I'll give you all the details.
I am a 1900 and 200 pilot and am earning good dollars plus getting loads of experience and enjoying it.
So PM me.
Cheers
If you want probably the best 1900 course at an affordable rate then PM me and I'll give you all the details.
I am a 1900 and 200 pilot and am earning good dollars plus getting loads of experience and enjoying it.
So PM me.
Cheers
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Hehe 
So you think the 16 hour sim + 1.5 in A/C is going to make a dif?
And for that you pay a sh..... load of moola
Please don't make me regurgitate my 3 circuit convex. Its just
a sales foofy. You will learn more in your first week on contract
and fly more than they can ever sell you on their nice expensive
sims, but please don't let me stop you. Pay them the BIG bucks
and work to pay it back for a couple of years. At least you can
brag about how you did the "real" deal. THINK MAN
hehehehehehehehehe
So you think the 16 hour sim + 1.5 in A/C is going to make a dif?
And for that you pay a sh..... load of moola
Please don't make me regurgitate my 3 circuit convex. Its just
a sales foofy. You will learn more in your first week on contract
and fly more than they can ever sell you on their nice expensive
sims, but please don't let me stop you. Pay them the BIG bucks
and work to pay it back for a couple of years. At least you can
brag about how you did the "real" deal. THINK MAN
hehehehehehehehehe
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I have to agree, if you do the legal min for a convex and save some cash, then why not? It is then up to you to go home and put in the effort and study the a/c and go the the plane and learn the company SOP sitting in the a/c, problem is that now days the guys seem to think that the conversion is enough and that you should get spoon fed all the info you need rather that, god forbid, you have to go home after the flight and put in some more time. as long as that lazy pilot mentality remains, places like 43 will be there making a fortune!
Dog
(this only applies to single crew a/c, it is YOUR responsibilityt to know your machine)
Dog
(this only applies to single crew a/c, it is YOUR responsibilityt to know your machine)
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I am all in favour of the scanner and laser printer. In my day it had to be done with a photocopier and liberal use of correction fluid. I guess in Stalag Luft IV it was pigeon **** and spit.
I have flown in spirals into Baghdad with incompetent 200 hour com pilots with half an hour on type and a DE sign off. If that is deemed acceptable, give me a competent pilot with no rating any day. I can teach him.
So here's the dope. With things as they are, to hell with the rating. Jippo the licence to suit the operator (believe me, if they want a 1900 rated pilot they won't be looking at the dpi). Jippo the logbook by half an hour or less. 15 mins should do. (God, do we really accept that in SA??? Yes!). Study the 1900 manual and make sure you know your stuff. I don't want to fly with someone who doesn't know his emergency drills. As for not having 15 mins on type, entered as one hour, I couldn't give a fig. Is someone with 15 mins and a landing really better than someone with nothing?? If you really want a genuine 1900 thing in the logbook, then be creative with the relevant forms....believe me, they won't be putting the thumbscrews on when you go in to the CAA. Got a signature from a com renewal? Copying that will probably do the trick.
Once you have plenty of time on type then go clean. Do a P1 rating with flying colours and go get the real thing. Though, by then, you will probably be on to much better things. SAA won't ask to see your 1900 rating at interview!!
Hey, South Coast, good to see you and hope all is going well!!! Should I really be telling them how to do it??
I have flown in spirals into Baghdad with incompetent 200 hour com pilots with half an hour on type and a DE sign off. If that is deemed acceptable, give me a competent pilot with no rating any day. I can teach him.
So here's the dope. With things as they are, to hell with the rating. Jippo the licence to suit the operator (believe me, if they want a 1900 rated pilot they won't be looking at the dpi). Jippo the logbook by half an hour or less. 15 mins should do. (God, do we really accept that in SA??? Yes!). Study the 1900 manual and make sure you know your stuff. I don't want to fly with someone who doesn't know his emergency drills. As for not having 15 mins on type, entered as one hour, I couldn't give a fig. Is someone with 15 mins and a landing really better than someone with nothing?? If you really want a genuine 1900 thing in the logbook, then be creative with the relevant forms....believe me, they won't be putting the thumbscrews on when you go in to the CAA. Got a signature from a com renewal? Copying that will probably do the trick.
Once you have plenty of time on type then go clean. Do a P1 rating with flying colours and go get the real thing. Though, by then, you will probably be on to much better things. SAA won't ask to see your 1900 rating at interview!!
Hey, South Coast, good to see you and hope all is going well!!! Should I really be telling them how to do it??
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It is the same over here in Europe too, especially with this JAA thing, no country knows what the other is up to.
Put something in your licence or logbook, take it to another country, give them some jargon and Bob's your uncle, Fanny's your aunt, you have a B 737 rating.
Are you still doing medicals or did you stop doing those aswell?
It is the same over here in Europe too, especially with this JAA thing, no country knows what the other is up to.
Put something in your licence or logbook, take it to another country, give them some jargon and Bob's your uncle, Fanny's your aunt, you have a B 737 rating.
Are you still doing medicals or did you stop doing those aswell?
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Ive spoken to a lot of people about the best way to go on this 1900 rating story. You talk to the good people of 43 and they assure you that for 50K you will be able to walk on water, talk to another DE and they rubbish the idea and say its a scam -stump up 30k do a touch and go and you're good to go!
Given the comments above it seems obvious which way to go.
Given the comments above it seems obvious which way to go.
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In all seriousness.
I believe some of the operators got away with doing sub-standard ratings in days gone by.
For example, I recall 5 or 6 of us going up in a 1900 with a particular DE, a particular company used to use, no names mentioned my boy, but we would all gain a rating from an hours flight.
Now that is not adequate training in my opinion.
On the other hand, I dont know what 43 Advanced charge people for a 1900 rating.
But, it is no doubt going to be better than doing a couple of steep turns and 3 touch and goes. Just consider the various scenarios one would get to see, experience and go through during 5-10 hours of sim training.
Here is something to consider, go on to Flight Safety Farnborough (UK) home page and have a look at what they offer for their 1900 rating and then compare it to a 1 hour mickey mouse rating.
It always comes back to money, and we get what we pay for.
If an operator wants its pilots to be well trained, then they should not mind you doing an extensive initial type rating with 43 Advanced, paid for by them I might add.
What is the UKCAA's motto, Safety is no accident.
I believe some of the operators got away with doing sub-standard ratings in days gone by.
For example, I recall 5 or 6 of us going up in a 1900 with a particular DE, a particular company used to use, no names mentioned my boy, but we would all gain a rating from an hours flight.
Now that is not adequate training in my opinion.
On the other hand, I dont know what 43 Advanced charge people for a 1900 rating.
But, it is no doubt going to be better than doing a couple of steep turns and 3 touch and goes. Just consider the various scenarios one would get to see, experience and go through during 5-10 hours of sim training.
Here is something to consider, go on to Flight Safety Farnborough (UK) home page and have a look at what they offer for their 1900 rating and then compare it to a 1 hour mickey mouse rating.
It always comes back to money, and we get what we pay for.
If an operator wants its pilots to be well trained, then they should not mind you doing an extensive initial type rating with 43 Advanced, paid for by them I might add.
What is the UKCAA's motto, Safety is no accident.
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I have seen both sides of the coin. with over 2000 "contract pilot" hours, I joined an opr that required that I had completed a full flight safety course... I learn't more in the course in two weeks than I learnt in 2000 hrs flying contract. I was later offered a teaching position at Flight Safety. You can see the difference a course makes to any pilot who comes through gun ho with African contract exp. The urban legend stuff along with all the associated theories you get tought about the aircraft on contract for the most part is plain simple B.S. Years later I had the opportunity to get paired up with a group of Beech factory pilots and bounced all the contract theories off them, 
theories with no fact is excatly what they were/ are.
Standing by for flaming
theories with no fact is excatly what they were/ are.Standing by for flaming
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Aagh Shame
Like mentioned before. It's up to you to study the manuals or not.
And if you did 2000 hours on the 1900 on contracts and learnt nothing
maybe you should consider that teaching position because the flying
part is obviously not for you
hehehehehehehehehehehe
Like mentioned before. It's up to you to study the manuals or not.
And if you did 2000 hours on the 1900 on contracts and learnt nothing
maybe you should consider that teaching position because the flying
part is obviously not for you
hehehehehehehehehehehe
