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Hi All,
I'm planing to do my PPL in SA and have been in contact with few schools.
I have been searching this forum for some reviews on Lanseria flight Center
but did not find anything, would really appreciate your inputs . . .
Cheer's
I'm planing to do my PPL in SA and have been in contact with few schools.
I have been searching this forum for some reviews on Lanseria flight Center
but did not find anything, would really appreciate your inputs . . .
Cheer's
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Flight schools in South Africa, including mention of LFC, have been exhaustively covered in previous correspondence on the Moleworth show.
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Hey CC...You mean the "dog show",surely?
I don't know who this "Moleworth" Comrade is. Like a politician, I deny any knowledge! Categorically.
I can highly recommend Mr GJP737 goes to Aeronav, also at FALA.
I don't know who this "Moleworth" Comrade is. Like a politician, I deny any knowledge! Categorically.I can highly recommend Mr GJP737 goes to Aeronav, also at FALA.
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At the risk of prompting another sense of humour failure allow me to suggest this training establishment. It is not at Lanseria but situated at a smaller, equally convenient airfield called Grand Central or FAGC.
Pilot and Flight Crew Training School | Grand Central South Africa
They have a mixed fleet of aircraft and use the Twin Commanche for twin training. It's far from being a glass cockpit but you need to know how to fly to operate one safely.
Pilot and Flight Crew Training School | Grand Central South Africa
They have a mixed fleet of aircraft and use the Twin Commanche for twin training. It's far from being a glass cockpit but you need to know how to fly to operate one safely.
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Sky Africa
IMPORTANT NOTICE TO CLIENTS AND PILOTS-COMPANY POLICY
We want our clients to be happy and in no doubt as to certain conditions, that are an integral part of our offer
The below conditions are an extract of our general conditions of contract which are deemed to have been read, understood and fully accepted by the client and or his authorized representative
Hence, we summarize some salient points again for clarity:
Please check our offer carefully and make sure that you fully understand what it entails.
Any questions please rather come back to us before you pay for the trip; we do not want any misunderstanding spoil your trip.
Once you have booked and paid for the trip you are not entitled to refunds other than the ones stated in Paragraph 4.(GCC)
SKY takes no responsibility for delays, inconveniences, cancellations and resulting costs caused by factors beyond our control
SKY takes no responsibility for delays, inconveniences, cancellations and resulting costs caused by mechanical or operational difficulties pertaining to operation of aircraft
Unsuitable flying conditions can disrupt, delay, or even make it impossible to fly all, or a portion, of the tour.
Bad weather risk is entirely the clients. SKY has booked and paid the Aircraft owners as well as for accommodation and activities hence do not expect a re-fund.
Take out a good cancellation insurance that will take care of any financial loss incurred
Flying skills
If you are a pilot flying an aircraft make sure that you arrive in South Africa current ready and fit to fly the trip. Be aware that the standard of flying in South Africa is high when compared with other countries and safety will not be compromised.
Should a SKY instructor or examiner conclude that your flying skills are not proficient enough to conduct the journey safely; SKY shall have the right at any time at its sole discretion to cancel the client’s journey without any re-funds or made to the client.
SKY shall have the right at any time at its sole discretion, to cancel or curtail the Tour or to make alterations of route, accommodation, aircraft and price details. Any extra expense incurred as a result thereof shall be the responsibility of the client.
Take out a good cancellation insurance that will take care of any financial loss incurred
Financial:
Do not expect to fly or drive off unless
All due payments have been confirmed received by SKY
All legal, theoretical, practical requirements regarding flight operations have been fulfilled.
All documents and indemnities are signed and proper insurances are in place
All required security deposits are paid and credit card details are in place
SECURITY DEPOSIT
Be aware that a Security deposit of ZAR 10000 (ten thousand) is due and payable before the Aircraft will be handed over to the client.
This deposit can be made in form of cash or by credit card.
This deposit will be refunded to the client provided the aircraft is returned to home base undamaged and on time.
Damage to the aircraft and other costs occurred, caused by the pilot/hirer due to negligence, ignorance bad airmanship or incorrect operation or other reasons will be charged out at cost plus 15% handling and administration fee
Sky Africa
IMPORTANT NOTICE TO CLIENTS AND PILOTS-COMPANY POLICY
We want our clients to be happy and in no doubt as to certain conditions, that are an integral part of our offer
The below conditions are an extract of our general conditions of contract which are deemed to have been read, understood and fully accepted by the client and or his authorized representative
Hence, we summarize some salient points again for clarity:
Please check our offer carefully and make sure that you fully understand what it entails.
Any questions please rather come back to us before you pay for the trip; we do not want any misunderstanding spoil your trip.
Once you have booked and paid for the trip you are not entitled to refunds other than the ones stated in Paragraph 4.(GCC)
SKY takes no responsibility for delays, inconveniences, cancellations and resulting costs caused by factors beyond our control
SKY takes no responsibility for delays, inconveniences, cancellations and resulting costs caused by mechanical or operational difficulties pertaining to operation of aircraft
Unsuitable flying conditions can disrupt, delay, or even make it impossible to fly all, or a portion, of the tour.
Bad weather risk is entirely the clients. SKY has booked and paid the Aircraft owners as well as for accommodation and activities hence do not expect a re-fund.
Take out a good cancellation insurance that will take care of any financial loss incurred
Flying skills
If you are a pilot flying an aircraft make sure that you arrive in South Africa current ready and fit to fly the trip. Be aware that the standard of flying in South Africa is high when compared with other countries and safety will not be compromised.
Should a SKY instructor or examiner conclude that your flying skills are not proficient enough to conduct the journey safely; SKY shall have the right at any time at its sole discretion to cancel the client’s journey without any re-funds or made to the client.
SKY shall have the right at any time at its sole discretion, to cancel or curtail the Tour or to make alterations of route, accommodation, aircraft and price details. Any extra expense incurred as a result thereof shall be the responsibility of the client.
Take out a good cancellation insurance that will take care of any financial loss incurred
Financial:
Do not expect to fly or drive off unless
All due payments have been confirmed received by SKY
All legal, theoretical, practical requirements regarding flight operations have been fulfilled.
All documents and indemnities are signed and proper insurances are in place
All required security deposits are paid and credit card details are in place
SECURITY DEPOSIT
Be aware that a Security deposit of ZAR 10000 (ten thousand) is due and payable before the Aircraft will be handed over to the client.
This deposit can be made in form of cash or by credit card.
This deposit will be refunded to the client provided the aircraft is returned to home base undamaged and on time.
Damage to the aircraft and other costs occurred, caused by the pilot/hirer due to negligence, ignorance bad airmanship or incorrect operation or other reasons will be charged out at cost plus 15% handling and administration fee
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Hmm.. I see what you mean, so in other words they don't accept liability for hardly anything and can pretty much cancel everything to no refund at any time...
I take it is a no on the recommendation of them then. Any other options for hour building in Joburg then?
I take it is a no on the recommendation of them then. Any other options for hour building in Joburg then?
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I make no comment on your points. I simply submitted some stuff which I Googled so that you would draw your own conclusions. I have to say though that this sort of a disclaimer might be pretty much one you'll find at any training establishment.
I have recommended FTS at Grand Central in the past but it's at least a year since I was out there. Things may well have changed. There may be others who could give you a better heads up.
I thought that hour building was rather different to training? South Africa, at any rate, might not be the best choice for hour building in the world although it probably is on the African continent. Many people go to the States purely for hour building, if only because the US seems to be more practical and accommodating in terms of issuing licence validations. In the States you'd possibly get a PPL validation on your Com but, with respect, if you're a Dubai citizen, you might have trouble getting through their security prior to licence issue.
I have recommended FTS at Grand Central in the past but it's at least a year since I was out there. Things may well have changed. There may be others who could give you a better heads up.
I thought that hour building was rather different to training? South Africa, at any rate, might not be the best choice for hour building in the world although it probably is on the African continent. Many people go to the States purely for hour building, if only because the US seems to be more practical and accommodating in terms of issuing licence validations. In the States you'd possibly get a PPL validation on your Com but, with respect, if you're a Dubai citizen, you might have trouble getting through their security prior to licence issue.
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The vast majority of flight schools in SA are remarkably similar. They operate aircraft that were either built long before I was born or newer ones that are non type certified. They employ instructors that have low time and are still learning to fly themselves. They teach techniques that suit their operation/cost objectived primarily and your experience secondarily. Their maintenance is at best scratchy and their greed is distasteful. They will try too woo you with stories about the CFI who is a co-pilot on a A340 or some other garbage but effectively its a slightly formalised version of a 'car boot' operation.
There are many of them at Lanseria
Lanseria Flight Centre
Aeronav
Foster Aero
Skyhawk
And then many more at the other airfields.
They all suck and should be avioded.
There are one or two exceptions (43rd I have heard might be one) and they are worth looking at. For the rest, keep your money or spend it in sunny Florida where you get what you pay for.
There are many of them at Lanseria
Lanseria Flight Centre
Aeronav
Foster Aero
Skyhawk
And then many more at the other airfields.
They all suck and should be avioded.
There are one or two exceptions (43rd I have heard might be one) and they are worth looking at. For the rest, keep your money or spend it in sunny Florida where you get what you pay for.
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43 is tremendously expensive, but it is a decent flying school. And on a mildly derailing note, I'm still trying to work out how some people expect all the instructors at a school to have thousands of hours of experience and have made a career of instructing, despite the giant logic vortex that this represents, ie they've somehow decided to forgo a job which actually pays them something called money in order to teach you how to fly. In my opinion, a) everybodies still learning, if they're being honest, and b) a newly minted instructor, who is competent at both flying and instructing, is perfectly capable of teaching a PPL (all 43 will allow somebody with that level of experience to do, at least until they get a few students under their belt).
Not to worry though, I have a solution: Make it illegal to give instruction unless you have 1500 hours of instruction.
(Based on historical application of logic, this would be the CAA prefered ruling)
More seriously (but still ridiculous), make the minimum total time for an instructors rating 5000 hours. Since no sane person would give up their full time job to instruct once they reach this experience level (or are about to retire, ie you'll only get instruction from old toppies), you'll make instructors so rare that they can charge a living wage. Or beyond I'm obviously talking about giving full time instruction here. Part time instruction is a different story - that involves the student waiting around until the lesson is due to start. At this point, he or she will receive a phone call from the instructor detailing the reasons they can't make the lesson today. 
No need to thank me.....
Not to worry though, I have a solution: Make it illegal to give instruction unless you have 1500 hours of instruction.
(Based on historical application of logic, this would be the CAA prefered ruling)More seriously (but still ridiculous), make the minimum total time for an instructors rating 5000 hours. Since no sane person would give up their full time job to instruct once they reach this experience level (or are about to retire, ie you'll only get instruction from old toppies), you'll make instructors so rare that they can charge a living wage. Or beyond
I'm obviously talking about giving full time instruction here. Part time instruction is a different story - that involves the student waiting around until the lesson is due to start. At this point, he or she will receive a phone call from the instructor detailing the reasons they can't make the lesson today. No need to thank me.....
