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Apparently following the rules is optional. Studio 88 will sell you a seat on a flight with a scheduled departure time without even having a sniff of a license, but don't worry its a charter operated by NAC/TAB.
How it works is they consider themselves agents, so the sell tickets on a regular and advertised flight and then "charter" their own aircraft from one of the above operators. Convenient 'ey?
And you see to make it all ok, once you have sold a seat on a plane leaving at a published time on a published route all you have to do is say "this is not a scheduled flight!" and bam, its not! Wow!
Anybody at te CAA reading this? Goffel....you there?
How it works is they consider themselves agents, so the sell tickets on a regular and advertised flight and then "charter" their own aircraft from one of the above operators. Convenient 'ey?
And you see to make it all ok, once you have sold a seat on a plane leaving at a published time on a published route all you have to do is say "this is not a scheduled flight!" and bam, its not! Wow!
Anybody at te CAA reading this? Goffel....you there?
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Why didnt I think of this....
Apparently the lady owner can fix anyting aviation with her high heels and short skirts.....(Is She hot at least?)
all but the licensing councel who should have stopped this, but they do not know what rules to enforce themselves, hence a sham like this can get going.
Now, the law states clearly what a scheduled flight is, and the rest is charter, how can you advertise a shedule ON RADIO, but none of the "operators" have a schedule license between them, "operated by NAC-TAB" this is sounding a lot like use of a license, and that was illegal the last time I checked.
naughty naughty.....
Apparently the lady owner can fix anyting aviation with her high heels and short skirts.....(Is She hot at least?)
all but the licensing councel who should have stopped this, but they do not know what rules to enforce themselves, hence a sham like this can get going.Now, the law states clearly what a scheduled flight is, and the rest is charter, how can you advertise a shedule ON RADIO, but none of the "operators" have a schedule license between them, "operated by NAC-TAB" this is sounding a lot like use of a license, and that was illegal the last time I checked.
naughty naughty.....
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Face it, there is a huge gap in the market for "regular" flights to the destinations they fly to and chartering it not an option to many. There is no way current operators will get the licences to operate schedules to these places.
They're not the only guys doing this by the way.
They're not the only guys doing this by the way.
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Stop this animosity!!!!
Why don't you guys get something better to byatch about!!!!!! You sound like a bunch of sour grapes!!!
Live and let live!! Let the sun shine over all of the people!!!
And if you don't have anything nice to say about the lady owner, please keep quiet seeing that you don't even know her!!!
Why don't you pilots rather stand together and be grateful for new opportunities......
Live and let live!! Let the sun shine over all of the people!!!
And if you don't have anything nice to say about the lady owner, please keep quiet seeing that you don't even know her!!!
Why don't you pilots rather stand together and be grateful for new opportunities......
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Well said rattex4u....i've used Studio 88 on a couple of occasions, they have always delivered the goods...and as regards the lady owner...i've seen her loading catering boxes for 100 into the back of an aircraft late at night while the pilots stood and watched...and least she is prepared to muck in. Lets rather support people like this who are trying to make their businesses work and will do whatever it takes instead of putting them down.
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Well thank you to Studio 88 for their input. Its unfortunate that you didn't cover the license issue in your response but I'm pleased to hear about the catering, which as we all know is the basis of safe airline operations.
Anyhow, so for all of you that are hungry for a new opportunity and are willing to overlook the trivialities of the regulatory framework, you know where to go. I hope we won't hear from you later complaining about your employer.
Anyhow, so for all of you that are hungry for a new opportunity and are willing to overlook the trivialities of the regulatory framework, you know where to go. I hope we won't hear from you later complaining about your employer.
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Well fuzzy lager, it just goes to show how you jump to conclusions. I do not work for Studio 88, have never worked for Studio 88. I happen to be a satisfied customer.
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What kind of a customer sits at the airport "late at night" watching the staff loading catering boxes. Seems a bit creepy.
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Interesting veiwpoints, I must agree tough, sounds like sour grapes, or someone is grumpy with someone else here.
We do a good number of flights for Studio 88, so I will give you my take on it.
Firstly;
Now, like all the other beaurocratic bulls*#t in this industry and a regulator that can't find it's own ahole with two hands at the best of times, should this market remain untapped?
"The lady owner" saw the oppotunity and the potential and jumped at it, good for her, would appear she has a bigger set than some of those doing the flaming on here.
On the face of it, it may look like a schedule, and for all intents and purposes it is.
But no laws are being broken here, they use more than one charter company, and a variety of aircraft depending on the load, so in fact each charter company and each aircraft is being chartered in at irregular intervals, there is no set schedule as such, they fly as needed.
As I said, we have done a few flights for them already and in no way could it be considered a schedule, we may get a call this week we may not.
Considering how quiet the charter market has been, anyone who is giving work tothe companys has my support.
Initially when they started up, I was sceptical, and was not happy, as the per seat sellers kill the charter companys off, lucky they seldom last.
But in this case, it would appear they are spreading the work around..........for now at least.
We do a good number of flights for Studio 88, so I will give you my take on it.
Firstly;
Face it, there is a huge gap in the market for "regular" flights to the destinations they fly to and chartering it not an option to many. There is no way current operators will get the licences to operate schedules to these places
"The lady owner" saw the oppotunity and the potential and jumped at it, good for her, would appear she has a bigger set than some of those doing the flaming on here.
On the face of it, it may look like a schedule, and for all intents and purposes it is.
But no laws are being broken here, they use more than one charter company, and a variety of aircraft depending on the load, so in fact each charter company and each aircraft is being chartered in at irregular intervals, there is no set schedule as such, they fly as needed.
As I said, we have done a few flights for them already and in no way could it be considered a schedule, we may get a call this week we may not.
Considering how quiet the charter market has been, anyone who is giving work tothe companys has my support.
Initially when they started up, I was sceptical, and was not happy, as the per seat sellers kill the charter companys off, lucky they seldom last.
But in this case, it would appear they are spreading the work around..........for now at least.
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There is no gray area, its illegal
See www.studio88aviation.co.za
In terms of the Act the definition is as follows:
A scheduled flight is a flight between the same 2 points, in terms of a timetable and open to the general public.
There is no doubt that this is a scheduled operation. Neither Studio 88,TAB nor NAC have a scheduled license. This is not a legal operation.
In terms of the Act the definition is as follows:
A scheduled flight is a flight between the same 2 points, in terms of a timetable and open to the general public.
There is no doubt that this is a scheduled operation. Neither Studio 88,TAB nor NAC have a scheduled license. This is not a legal operation.
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Bending The Rules....
Desperate Wannabee.....and the rest......
They lease a 1900, they apparently bought another 1900.... It is difficult to argue the point that they charter their own aircraft from other companies....
D.W. So you are admitting to "bending the rules", because there is a opportunity to make money, on a schedule, to certain destinations, and this visionary avaitrix has seen the gap, taken it, because she has bigger balls than the rest, and loads her own catering......
have you considered the rest of the operators might want to do it, by the rule of the law.... I read all the gazetted applications, and I have not seen Studio 88 even apply for a operating lisence, did I miss it ?
NONE of the replies on this forum has answered or dealt with the core issue here, this company is advertising a schedule, selling tickets do depart at a specified time, to a specified destination, and open to the public, go read the CARS, those are the three requirements for a schedule, and of course the pesky lisence and AOC, with a schedule licence on top of that, mmmmm
How you all stand there and shout sour grapes, but you wait for the wheels to turn, they turn slow, but they turn good, while you ate at it, please post copies of the tickets Studio 88 sells, there is also a small but overlooked fact called liability, if something does happen, will Studio 88 cover, will NAC cover, Will TAB cover.
This is still use of a lisence, and the two companies that are the AOC holders for this little venture, is putting themselves in harms way.....
Rattex, no one was insulting your associate, girlfriend, boss, owner, handler.... again, insulting me instead of answering my question, is she hot or not ?
If everything is so well above board, why doesnt Studio 88 have a AOC?
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They lease a 1900, they apparently bought another 1900.... It is difficult to argue the point that they charter their own aircraft from other companies....
D.W. So you are admitting to "bending the rules", because there is a opportunity to make money, on a schedule, to certain destinations, and this visionary avaitrix has seen the gap, taken it, because she has bigger balls than the rest, and loads her own catering......
have you considered the rest of the operators might want to do it, by the rule of the law.... I read all the gazetted applications, and I have not seen Studio 88 even apply for a operating lisence, did I miss it ?
NONE of the replies on this forum has answered or dealt with the core issue here, this company is advertising a schedule, selling tickets do depart at a specified time, to a specified destination, and open to the public, go read the CARS, those are the three requirements for a schedule, and of course the pesky lisence and AOC, with a schedule licence on top of that, mmmmm
How you all stand there and shout sour grapes, but you wait for the wheels to turn, they turn slow, but they turn good, while you ate at it, please post copies of the tickets Studio 88 sells, there is also a small but overlooked fact called liability, if something does happen, will Studio 88 cover, will NAC cover, Will TAB cover.
This is still use of a lisence, and the two companies that are the AOC holders for this little venture, is putting themselves in harms way.....
Rattex, no one was insulting your associate, girlfriend, boss, owner, handler.... again, insulting me instead of answering my question, is she hot or not ?
If everything is so well above board, why doesnt Studio 88 have a AOC?
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I agree, its clear that this is an illegal operation supported only by the greedy few that are making money out of breaking the rules. Not much more to be said there.
The remaining and important question is whether this "lady owner" is a honey or not. It seems that there is some evidence that she may be because perv's like flymecpt are happy to take time out of their busy schedules (oh, that word again) to drool at the airport fence.
Guys we need to get to the bottom of this. C'mon, spill the beans here.
The remaining and important question is whether this "lady owner" is a honey or not. It seems that there is some evidence that she may be because perv's like flymecpt are happy to take time out of their busy schedules (oh, that word again) to drool at the airport fence.
Guys we need to get to the bottom of this. C'mon, spill the beans here.
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Let me try and explain. The lady owner you are reffering to is HOT!. We are 6 partners in total, 4 of them silent. We started this with the idea when we could see towns in SA strugling to find a reliable service to and from them. Mafikeng and Margate Link pulled out, and the people were crying for a service. What we do is we charter an aircraft from variuos operators on Lanseria at full charter rate and then act as a seat broker. Once we have chartered the aircraft, we take the risk of the full cost regardless of the number of pax. Some you make money others you dont, it is a gamble. The contract of carriege is between the operator and the passenger and is explained on your confirmation of your seat. For example, we spend R900 000 a month with just one operator! Its good for everyone! Lets stop complaining and start flying more, hows that one for an idea To let you all know, that we are in process with our aplication for our own AOC, and yes, we will then stop just being a seat broker. Any further questions can be directed to me and I will try and answer as best I can.
Let me try and explain. The lady owner you are reffering to is HOT!
. We are 6 partners in total, 4 of them silent. We started this with the idea when we could see towns in SA strugling to find a reliable service to and from them. Mafikeng and Margate Link pulled out, and the people were crying for a service. What we do is we charter an aircraft from variuos operators on Lanseria at full charter rate and then act as a seat broker. Once we have chartered the aircraft, we take the risk of the full cost regardless of the number of pax. Some you make money others you dont, it is a gamble. The contract of carriege is between the operator and the passenger and is explained on your confirmation of your seat. For example, we spend R900 000 a month with just one operator! Its good for everyone! Lets stop complaining and start flying more, hows that one for an idea To let you all know, that we are in process with our aplication for our own AOC, and yes, we will then stop just being a seat broker. Any further questions can be directed to me and I will try and answer as best I can.
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Fuzzy Lager jumping to conclusons again while I drool through the fence at the lady owner like a perv? Yes she is hot....oh, and by the way.....anyone know Fuzzy Lager, is he cute too? If so, send me his number, he's probably more my type!
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VS as fun as it is to go around in circles on this I'm gonna choose this as my exit point. Your perceived market opportunity does not give you latitude to ignor the rules, neither does the fact that others too are profiting from the venture.
It fairly common at Lanseria to see the new kids pulling in to take over the world. You are not the first or I am sure the last to think that you can set up shop and sort everyone out. You will find in time that its not as easy as you think, you have made enemies where you needed to make friends and have alienated people that you will need later. Your arrogance will haunt you and your license issue is but the first trial of many.
I hope you and your 68 partners have deep pockets because you are going to need them. Selling and piloting aeroplanes is very different to operating them profitably long term. To start with, check out the reliability history of your leased aeroplane dating back to its time in Zambia when owned by Air Waves.
Flymecpt- Well, since you asked, I am in fact particulalry good looking. And finding reasonable talent at Lanseria can be a real challenge.
Fuzzy is off to have a lager
It fairly common at Lanseria to see the new kids pulling in to take over the world. You are not the first or I am sure the last to think that you can set up shop and sort everyone out. You will find in time that its not as easy as you think, you have made enemies where you needed to make friends and have alienated people that you will need later. Your arrogance will haunt you and your license issue is but the first trial of many.
I hope you and your 68 partners have deep pockets because you are going to need them. Selling and piloting aeroplanes is very different to operating them profitably long term. To start with, check out the reliability history of your leased aeroplane dating back to its time in Zambia when owned by Air Waves.
Flymecpt- Well, since you asked, I am in fact particulalry good looking. And finding reasonable talent at Lanseria can be a real challenge.
Fuzzy is off to have a lager