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Maun, Botswana. The essential guide.

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Maun, Botswana. The essential guide.

Old 16th Jul 2015, 12:32
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Will the babbling hordes be arriving this season? Many will hope not.
Most western economies are now lifting out of the recession, growth is back and people will be spending money again.
Enjoy the good times until it all goes titzup again in a few years time.
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Old 1st Aug 2015, 16:12
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For the guys who's heading to Maun

Seems like Moremi Air and Mack air will start looking for pilots soon. Quite a few guy's contracts coming to an end by end of this year.

That's word on the street in anycase.

Good luck
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Old 2nd Aug 2015, 21:25
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"A year I could probably handle, Im guessing the best case scenario would be they lose a few van pilots and then Im one of a few with time over 1000tt."

No company will give you 1 year contract, minimum is 2yrs and only after at least 1yr on Airvan or 206 you will have the chance to move on 208, and as soon as a company loose caravan pilots there are pilots inside the company ready to move up the ladder. If you want to came here with the idea that because you have 1000hrs on the Caravan you deserve to fly one, then follow my suggestion...save the airplane ticket money and don't came!
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Old 15th Aug 2015, 14:11
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Hi guys,
Thank you to everyone who contributed to this topic.

I'm also moving there by the end of this year. PM'ed you K.O about the group of adventurers.

I'm trying to sum up everything I read about papers to translate and to bring : birth and flight training certificates, police clearance just in case. If something else is missing, thanks for adding it here.

Cheers!

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Old 18th Aug 2015, 13:35
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A bit of a taboo topic, I know, and I suppose it has been mentioned long ago, but where do salaries start these days for new guys on the C206?
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Old 18th Aug 2015, 13:44
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where do salaries start these days for new guys on the C206?
"if you have to ask, you can't afford it"

but seriously folks,
salaries are not going to go up more than 1 to 5% per year, just like the rest of the world, the numbers mentioned at the start of this thread are pretty close to what you're going to be paid. 3% per year for 3 years would be about a 10% increase, at most. So, take the numbers at the start of this thread and add 10% and you'll get something between the two numbers.
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Old 18th Aug 2015, 18:38
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I'll be upfront and honest. Depending on who you work for, first year salary can be from P8,000- P11,500 before tax.

But none of us do it for the money.
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Old 19th Aug 2015, 02:43
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Which means that they haven't changed a hell of a lot since 2009!
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Old 20th Aug 2015, 04:57
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But none of us do it for the money.

....and this is why we can't have nice things
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Old 20th Aug 2015, 11:04
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Well, I guess what counts is getting the hours one needs to move up and actually start earning a salary that a pilot deserves... Thanks for the replies.
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Old 21st Aug 2015, 07:59
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It's actually a decent salary for living in Botswana.
Just when you convert it back to home standards its shite.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 07:12
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Ok Maun is not London, Paris or New York, but let's try to play a game here...
Let's say you fly for one of the low cost carriers in Europe, or even Asia, my question is...how much is the salary for the first year? Now, can you let me know how much you will pay for an accomodation in one of the cities you will be based?
Here is Maun, you already read it, the salary on the first year can be from 9500 to 11000 pula.
Many pilots shares accomodation and the cost can be as low as 1500 pula to an high of 3000 pula.
The point is...you are living in Botswana, and you cannot compare the salary you get here with the cost of life in Europe, very simple!
Sometimes I smile when I hear new pilots saying something like " Wow this dinner costed me only 10€" or "The car fuel is xx €"
Guys if you want to came to fly in Botswana to save money and buy an house in Paris...change your ticket, but if you want to came here and fly the money you will get will be enough to live here in a decent way!
Saying that I'm the first one who would appreciate a slight increase of the salary, money are never enough!
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 08:08
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When Air Botswana moved its operational base from Johannesburg to Gaberone, the cockpit crews were offered ex pat contracts. These included free accommodation, schooling for children and a salary that was reasonable by South African standards. These are designed to attract skilled people to work where they would otherwise not wish to be based in order to benefit the local economy in return for a higher than usual emolument [package.
In contrast to that, flying work in Maun would seem to be almost on ad hoc basis rates with any two year contract existing more for the benefit of the company's roster planning stability than anything else. Maun doesn't generally seem terribly attractive to skilled/experienced pilots and in the balance must surely be weighed the cost of all those Cessna hours had you to pay for them yourself.

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Old 10th Sep 2015, 09:36
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Susi air is screaming out for pilots at the moment as over 50 have just handed in their notices.
This is to do with getting a 12% pay cut when the government made it that all pay must be in Indonesian Rupiah.
Susi then fixed the pay at a conversion rate of 12,000 to $1. The rupiah has since taken a nose dive...

As for the accidents.
The country is as safe as you make it. Just like any other bush operation.
The rule book flying in those mountains was written in blood. Ignore it at your own peril.

Still. Its a once in a life time opportunity and heading there after a stint in Botwsana is not a stupid idea.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 04:31
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And about wife and kids

Hi guys, first of all, congrats for the explanation!
Now, let me introduce myself:
I'm from Brazil, 33 years old and I've been work as a flight instructor and operational safety manager at Campinas Flying Club since January 2013. I have 1300TT, 1000PIC, Single Engine Land, Multi-engine land, IFR and Flight Instructor Ratings. I have been flying C150, C152, C172, C210, P28R, PA30, PA34 and the taildraggers PAUL and AB11. I'm married and have a daughter 1 and 1/2 year old.
I've been trying get a job in Africa in the last 2 years. In this week I received an email from one company in Maun and I'm very excited about it.
The question is: if I go to Maun in this year, after face all that situation related here before and get this job, it's possible bring my family (wife and daughter) after 5-6 months to Maun to live with me?
I will be able to rent a house, buy a old car (if is really necessary), put my little daughter on school, living a normal (and simple) life, with food, whater, energy, internet, with a salary of 9-10000 pulas?
Or the best way is keep my family in my hometown during the time I will stay in Maun?!

Have a good flight for all, always!

Regards!
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 16:13
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You want to send a 1-year old to school?
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 18:23
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TAKING THE FAMILY

No, of course not. But if I remain in Maun for 2 years or more, depending on the opportunities, it's important for her to study English.
But is not the point. My idea is to go first, ready to stay alone there for the first 90 days, may extend to 180 days with a tourist visa to get the job. After that time, if I get the job, I assume that there will still be a considerable time training. But if all goes well, achieving employment, I will be able to financially maintain myself, my wife and my daughter with a salary of 9000 to 10,000 pula, considering the local cost of living ?
Can i will rent a simple house, pay water bills , electricity, internet, food expenditures, transportation, medical expenses and leisure?

Tks!
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Old 10th Oct 2015, 12:33
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You will be able to pay for all that on your salary, but things will be tight if you have 2 other mouths to feed!
Ideally, it would be nice for your wife to find work as well.

Transport is cheap and you can get a few taxi drivers numbers that will get you home at night. If you want to get a car, then that is up to you!

Medical insurance for you should be paid for by your company.
I'm not sure if this extends to your family as well.

Internet is relatively cheap on your phone. A fixed line can be a bit harder to get onto and a little pricey. There are a few places around the town that has free wifi however, along with the company that you work for as well

I think rent would probably cost you around 4000 pula for a reasonable place. I can't remember how much I was paying at my last place but it was around that figure but that also included power and water in the cost.

Hope this helps!
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Old 10th Oct 2015, 18:10
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My wife and I made it on 10000 a month. I think you could do it as a family if you lived frugally. Our rent was around 5000 a month with water. Power was another 500 or so. We still managed to eat out a few times a month. Just make a budget and stick to it. It's Africa, enjoy the slower paced living
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Old 10th Oct 2015, 18:15
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Medical expenses are a lot cheaper than the US. We paid around 300 pula for a doctor visit. Meds are around 50 pula. Some of the hospital bills are subsidized by the govt. If you pay cash, you won't have to wait as long. The medical care is decent, but if you have specialized medical needs, aka MRI or CT scans, you'll probably need to go to Gabs or South Africa for more advanced medical care. We've had friends who have had surgery and delivered babies in Gabs with no trouble. Oh, and make sure you get your shots before you guys head over.
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