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Contrails8, Uncle Wiggily you two particularly seem very ignorant with regards to how things work in Africa and especially in South Africa. Before you guys pass you ridiculous comments {too many to list here} don't you think you should try living and working here long term first. Affirmative Action or Reverse racism, what ever you want to call it, is a reality in SA. Whether it is justified or not in this case remains to be seen but the fact is it is bloody stupid to leave a police force short handed just because of some idiotic policy. Especially a police force that is already so out gunned and out witted. So instead of giving CP a hard time get off your tomato boxes and try come up with sensible comments. Something that actually makes sense.
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Yup - ya gotta remember that the original concept of discrimination under the old regime was based on biblical concepts. The present rascist bigotry used to decry the beloved country by those in power there has no justifiable foundation other than the politics of the slimeous cringing Iago of Shakespeare's creation which stand in stark contrast to the noble Moor who most unfortunatly is no....well, probably was never there to begin with.
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Perhaps those who really have no understanding of Southern Africa's unique situation should keep out of the discussion, as should those whose comments are motivated by the 'schadenfreude' which seems to afflict many people who have left the country.
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Aktually speaking, about last year I was once again doing a spot of the old flying at Midrand and we happened to taxi near to Eskom. They guy I was training tells me that Eskom has a shortage of pilots since quite a while but that they will only take black women candidates. As a consequence of this policy, Eskom, I was being told, had a shortage of pilots.
I do not know if this is true but if it is then it is an indication of the legend of the nose to spite the face and is, very bloody stupid too! Course, the Zulus used to go around sticking spears in to a lot of their own warriors on the fairly regular basis when they thought there was a witch about or a suitable mother such as Nandi needed the spiritual commemoration. This did not do their fighting moral or their numbers much good.
I do not know if this is true but if it is then it is an indication of the legend of the nose to spite the face and is, very bloody stupid too! Course, the Zulus used to go around sticking spears in to a lot of their own warriors on the fairly regular basis when they thought there was a witch about or a suitable mother such as Nandi needed the spiritual commemoration. This did not do their fighting moral or their numbers much good.
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Contrails,Captain Puff and Cave Troll:
I used to live in your "lekker" country. I still hold my view that complaining about who is right, who is entitled to a job, who got the short end of the stick for the last 100 years, who feels that they are getting the short end of the stick now, etc, etc. consumes an unhealthy portion of your day to day conversations. This goes for both black and white.
Anyhow, if you wish to forever dwell on this subject, I'm sure you can locate many like-minded souls at the next Steve Hofmeyer concert, or Peter Mokaba rally (depending on your affiliation).
Cheers.
I used to live in your "lekker" country. I still hold my view that complaining about who is right, who is entitled to a job, who got the short end of the stick for the last 100 years, who feels that they are getting the short end of the stick now, etc, etc. consumes an unhealthy portion of your day to day conversations. This goes for both black and white.
Anyhow, if you wish to forever dwell on this subject, I'm sure you can locate many like-minded souls at the next Steve Hofmeyer concert, or Peter Mokaba rally (depending on your affiliation).
Cheers.
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I still hold my view that complaining about who is right, who is entitled to a job, who got the short end of the stick for the last 100 years, who feels that they are getting the short end of the stick now, etc, etc. consumes an unhealthy portion of your day to day conversations.
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I still hold my view that complaining about who is right, who is entitled to a job, who got the short end of the stick for the last 100 years, who feels that they are getting the short end of the stick now, etc, etc. consumes an unhealthy portion of your day to day conversations.
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When you beat up, raped, killed black people en masse under your so stupid apartheid system, I cant remember any of you complaining. Now the table has turned, it doesn't quite suit you anymore, you then winge and throw your toys out of your prams like babies. The majority of South Africans are black, if you dont like them tough luck, go to the sandpit and try your racism there. I hear emirates are recruiting.
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You don't sound like a very happy person, but let's set that aside and I'lll try to address the comment, rather than the person although it's barely worth responding to your rant because you are clearly so blinded by your prejudices that you won't even see the lack of logic and coherence in what you've written.
Many white people were opposed to apartheid and risked, or lost, their lives to fight it. Rather sad and ironic really, when you consider how much worse off the blacks are now that whites are not 'raping, beating up, and killing them'. They're making a far better job of doing it themselves, and have destroyed much of what the whites put in place for them.
Whatever you may think of 'stupid' apartheid, the majority of blacks were better off under it than they are now, and a lot would welcome a white government back with open arms.
You don't sound like a very happy person, but let's set that aside and I'lll try to address the comment, rather than the person although it's barely worth responding to your rant because you are clearly so blinded by your prejudices that you won't even see the lack of logic and coherence in what you've written.
Many white people were opposed to apartheid and risked, or lost, their lives to fight it. Rather sad and ironic really, when you consider how much worse off the blacks are now that whites are not 'raping, beating up, and killing them'. They're making a far better job of doing it themselves, and have destroyed much of what the whites put in place for them.
Whatever you may think of 'stupid' apartheid, the majority of blacks were better off under it than they are now, and a lot would welcome a white government back with open arms.
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(The majority of South Africans are black,)
That is possibly so but it is possibly also true to say that a large part of the majority of blacks in South Africa are not South Africans. And that fact alone is a big problem for the ruling party and all its leaders. The original statement though, could better be used with justification as an explanation for the deteriorating national infrastructure and the startling deficiencies in wealth distribution across the newly enfranchised black population rather than as an excuse for quid pro quo rascist policies adopted by the present administration and its rebellious servants.
Retrospecting back to March 17th 1992, what would have been an approriate retroaction?
That is possibly so but it is possibly also true to say that a large part of the majority of blacks in South Africa are not South Africans. And that fact alone is a big problem for the ruling party and all its leaders. The original statement though, could better be used with justification as an explanation for the deteriorating national infrastructure and the startling deficiencies in wealth distribution across the newly enfranchised black population rather than as an excuse for quid pro quo rascist policies adopted by the present administration and its rebellious servants.
Retrospecting back to March 17th 1992, what would have been an approriate retroaction?
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Whatever you may think of 'stupid' apartheid, the majority of blacks were better off under it than they are now, and a lot would welcome a white government back with open arms.
Many white people were opposed to apartheid and risked, or lost, their lives to fight it.
You don't sound like a very happy person
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the majority of blacks were better off under it than they are now, and a lot would welcome a white government back with open arms.
I have never, in a lifetime of travel and work in many places that were once well-run colonies heard any inhabitant actually say that they would like to go back to colonialist rule, no matter how dreadful their present Government might be. It's their Government, is the point.
I have never heard or read any black South African say "Bring back a white Government". All I hear is white South Africans telling me that black South Africans are saying that. How come white politicians don't get voted into power, I wonder, if the black population thinks that?
Apart from when they are tortured and abused, prisoners are frequently much better fed and housed than in the community in which they usually live. But you do not hear many saying that they would like to stay there, or return voluntarily.
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So many of your assumptions are wrong, and please don't call me 'mate' it's a horrible expression and I am not, nor ever will be, your 'mate' in any sense of the term.
You see my views as racist, because they differ from yours, so just haul out the race card, it's always convenient as a cop out.
I have worked on and off as a contractor for SAA for many years, they've offered me permanent employment which I've declined, partly because it's not an environment in which I'm happy to work given the corruption, overt racism and nepotism which goes on, not to mention inefficient practices. That said, I've had some great times there with colleagues of all colours, but there is no way I would apply for employment.
You might think so ..... it will be interesting to see when you get there how you feel being a victim of racism and nepotism. If you can only argue by resorting to insults of the 'racist pig' variety then I fear you are beneath contempt.
Have fun.
So many of your assumptions are wrong, and please don't call me 'mate' it's a horrible expression and I am not, nor ever will be, your 'mate' in any sense of the term.
You see my views as racist, because they differ from yours, so just haul out the race card, it's always convenient as a cop out.
I'm sure they saw your application and rightly ignored it.
Better to have another African in there than a racist pig who'll push every black pilot down.
Have fun.
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Kindly be more original; that's what every retired British Colonialist says about Britain's ex colonies after the demise of the British Empire.
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I have never ........ heard any inhabitant actually say that they would like to go back to colonialist rule, no matter how dreadful their present Government might be. It's their Government, is the point.
I have never heard or read any black South African say "Bring back a white Government". All I hear is white South Africans telling me that black South Africans are saying that. How come white politicians don't get voted into power, I wonder, if the black population thinks that?
I have never heard or read any black South African say "Bring back a white Government". All I hear is white South Africans telling me that black South Africans are saying that. How come white politicians don't get voted into power, I wonder, if the black population thinks that?
White politicians won't get voted into power in a one party state, unless they are standing for the ruling party - and some have done so.
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Yes, the good old British colonial days are certainly over. The days of the Seychelles Club in Victoria and a few other Flashmanesque places. It does not matter whether the locals would like a rerun of colonial rule. Most of the local population have died anyway since independence, whever it was but mostly before the late 60s. Britain left its children with the Elizabethan invented, Victorian developed, concept of Commonwealth. This mostly benefited Britain -but that's a well kept secret. Its existence certainly helped to win a couple of minor wars with an intellectually superior nation.
It is a truism to say that if you want to see how a colony should have been run, you only need to look to German East Africa and German West Africa to see the legacy of mutual love and coperation between master and servant races.
By their turn, the Portugese were far too cruel and the French too totally incompetent as overseas developers. Brave were the Frogs, as can be seen from any Beau Geste story of daring do in the Sahara desert or Luck of the Legion. The Spanish who were indescribably unpleasant and barbarous in their sadistic little pleasures and of course one must not forget the Italians, vain gloriously useless and not even brave which is why Mussolini had to remind them that they'd all had their balls cut off after the battle of Adowa.
Africa is still, well, Africa - the most beautiful continent in the planet. If you want like a trip down memory lane, Cape Coast Castle is still there in Ghana. From the battlements and gun emplacements and the sad little door to the beach- you can reflect on the legacies of all of those who left from here, willingly or not, inflicted upon the countries that they came to. That was colonialism also although it lacked the central nervous system that characterised the enterprises of major nations. So perhaps you should not be asking the African inhabitant whether he wants to be ruled by the white man again but instead ask the black colonial ex patriate now in Europe or the USA whether he would like to go back to Africa to live. It is perhaps possible that this is why there is a shortage of suitable pilots for the SA police forces?
It is a truism to say that if you want to see how a colony should have been run, you only need to look to German East Africa and German West Africa to see the legacy of mutual love and coperation between master and servant races.
By their turn, the Portugese were far too cruel and the French too totally incompetent as overseas developers. Brave were the Frogs, as can be seen from any Beau Geste story of daring do in the Sahara desert or Luck of the Legion. The Spanish who were indescribably unpleasant and barbarous in their sadistic little pleasures and of course one must not forget the Italians, vain gloriously useless and not even brave which is why Mussolini had to remind them that they'd all had their balls cut off after the battle of Adowa.
Africa is still, well, Africa - the most beautiful continent in the planet. If you want like a trip down memory lane, Cape Coast Castle is still there in Ghana. From the battlements and gun emplacements and the sad little door to the beach- you can reflect on the legacies of all of those who left from here, willingly or not, inflicted upon the countries that they came to. That was colonialism also although it lacked the central nervous system that characterised the enterprises of major nations. So perhaps you should not be asking the African inhabitant whether he wants to be ruled by the white man again but instead ask the black colonial ex patriate now in Europe or the USA whether he would like to go back to Africa to live. It is perhaps possible that this is why there is a shortage of suitable pilots for the SA police forces?
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its not nice isnt it....we were the underdogs never looked at..now its our turn
I HOPE Hectar gets a job with SAP, and I HOPE Hectar is trained in one of those Robbies by one of his brothers. Its your turn................ to become a lawn dart.
If your Qualified, I HOPE you make it, if your not qualified, you will make it anyway.....Its your turn.