Airlink Accident in George 7 December '09
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Small technical point:
Should it not be Mr Scully Levine, or Capt. Scully Levine (Retired)?
Or is he still flying elsewhere as a captain?
Also as someone above pointed out, is this not a conflict of interests? Him having worked with JVJ in the past?
Just wondering..
Should it not be Mr Scully Levine, or Capt. Scully Levine (Retired)?
Or is he still flying elsewhere as a captain?
Also as someone above pointed out, is this not a conflict of interests? Him having worked with JVJ in the past?
Just wondering..
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Now that is a sore point with some retired left-seaters. The chief of the SACAA still likes to be know as Captain. And I know two former captains, now in their 70s, still in the industry, but not flying, who continue to refer to themselves as such, despite the ribbing (sometimes not so good natured) they get. You just have to read the SAAF news letter to see how many references there are to long-retired Captain So-and-So. Me? I don't care. If they are still in aviation, it is probably good for business.
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Thread drift I know....
From my point of view, I never worked with or for the Head of SACAA while he was a captain, or f/o for that matter, and considering that he is a civil servant, I would certainly never call him captain.
With all due respect.
Sir O
From my point of view, I never worked with or for the Head of SACAA while he was a captain, or f/o for that matter, and considering that he is a civil servant, I would certainly never call him captain.
With all due respect.
Sir O
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IOSA!!!!!!
I agree totally with Selfloader. And someone that has not connections with SAA!!!!
Airlink went through an ISOA audit and received there certification. And I can tell you it’s not easy to pass that one. A SACAA audit is a walk in the park compared to IOSA.
Airlink has gone through a bit of bad luck and I am sure they will come out ok.
Airlink went through an ISOA audit and received there certification. And I can tell you it’s not easy to pass that one. A SACAA audit is a walk in the park compared to IOSA.
Airlink has gone through a bit of bad luck and I am sure they will come out ok.
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Lots of amusing stuff about Airlink here....
Star
A brief excerpt to whet one....
'I say to the visitors, forget the minibus taxis. If you want real adventure, fly SA Airlink. You still sometimes end up on the road, but there's lots of other excitement in between.
The beauty of street landings is that you are not so far from the nearest hotel or hospital, whatever is most appropriate.'
Glad to see they did not mention the morgue.
And this comment, apparently made by Rodger Foster.
'"He (I delete the name as printed in the Star) dealt with the aquaplaning scenario perfectly in the simulator ... why he didn't cope today (yesterday), I don't know.'
Poor show when your boss drops you in it to the press even while he, the boss, is conducting his own enquiry?
Star
A brief excerpt to whet one....
'I say to the visitors, forget the minibus taxis. If you want real adventure, fly SA Airlink. You still sometimes end up on the road, but there's lots of other excitement in between.
The beauty of street landings is that you are not so far from the nearest hotel or hospital, whatever is most appropriate.'
Glad to see they did not mention the morgue.
And this comment, apparently made by Rodger Foster.
'"He (I delete the name as printed in the Star) dealt with the aquaplaning scenario perfectly in the simulator ... why he didn't cope today (yesterday), I don't know.'
Poor show when your boss drops you in it to the press even while he, the boss, is conducting his own enquiry?
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another passenger who appears to know more about flying than pilots..........wasn't the press saying similar stuff about 1time not so long ago when they had all those engine failures????
link is just the current flavour of the month
link is just the current flavour of the month
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More fun... this from the EP Herald
Airlink allegedly tries to rig online safety poll
2009/12/11
AIRLINK staffers allegedly tried to rig an online poll about its safety, The Star newspaper reported today (December 11).
Airlink chief executive Roger Foster admitted to the newspaper some of his staff used chain emails and posters to urge colleagues to vote that they would fly Airlink in a poll on IOL: News for South Africa and the World
Some 55% of readers voted they would not fly Airlink, while 45% said they would still use the airline.
Foster said the alleged poll-rigging campaign “was not sanctioned or approved by me, and I was unaware of it until we received your [The Star’s] email query”.
Transport Minister Sbu Ndebele this week requested an investigation to determine if the airline should be grounded.
Airlink had its third accident in three months on Monday, when one of its planes shot off the runway in wet weather, injuring three people. – Sapa
2009/12/11
AIRLINK staffers allegedly tried to rig an online poll about its safety, The Star newspaper reported today (December 11).
Airlink chief executive Roger Foster admitted to the newspaper some of his staff used chain emails and posters to urge colleagues to vote that they would fly Airlink in a poll on IOL: News for South Africa and the World
Some 55% of readers voted they would not fly Airlink, while 45% said they would still use the airline.
Foster said the alleged poll-rigging campaign “was not sanctioned or approved by me, and I was unaware of it until we received your [The Star’s] email query”.
Transport Minister Sbu Ndebele this week requested an investigation to determine if the airline should be grounded.
Airlink had its third accident in three months on Monday, when one of its planes shot off the runway in wet weather, injuring three people. – Sapa
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Spot on Sammajoor.
That's why so many Majors get made up to Lt.Col on retirement or end of term. They keep the rank and the increase in pension.
Anyone parading around a seaside boarding house calling himself 'Major' is about as pretentious as an out of flying pilot calling himself 'Captain'.
But-a cunnning plan-I do have a credit card with 'Captain Absolute written on it. It helps with the discount on hotels and the flight upgrades. You could probably get on with 'General' written on it if you filled in the form that way round. But then the Bader Meinhof group might blow you up.
Addendum:
Perhaps the press has been very fair. It perists in calling a crash an accident, which is an understatement. An airline being accident prone for three months is not nearly as bad as an airline being crash prone. How much of an aircraft write off do we have to achieve before moving from the realm of incident to accident to crash? Is it quantifiable? Must passengers die before it's a crash? What's in a word then? Who cares!
That's why so many Majors get made up to Lt.Col on retirement or end of term. They keep the rank and the increase in pension.
Anyone parading around a seaside boarding house calling himself 'Major' is about as pretentious as an out of flying pilot calling himself 'Captain'.
But-a cunnning plan-I do have a credit card with 'Captain Absolute written on it. It helps with the discount on hotels and the flight upgrades. You could probably get on with 'General' written on it if you filled in the form that way round. But then the Bader Meinhof group might blow you up.
Addendum:
Perhaps the press has been very fair. It perists in calling a crash an accident, which is an understatement. An airline being accident prone for three months is not nearly as bad as an airline being crash prone. How much of an aircraft write off do we have to achieve before moving from the realm of incident to accident to crash? Is it quantifiable? Must passengers die before it's a crash? What's in a word then? Who cares!
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On the press front
Cape Argus headline last week," Plane misses George runway" ,allegedley taken from a pax statement.
Get it right, did not miss it, just found it not long enough on the day.
I enjoyed deputy director general of transports alleged question in the Star regarding a cause, "Did the pilots descend from too great a height and then not have enough runway to land?"
Luverly!
Safe flying to you all, with all the rain in Josie we may need floats!
Cape Argus headline last week," Plane misses George runway" ,allegedley taken from a pax statement.
Get it right, did not miss it, just found it not long enough on the day.
I enjoyed deputy director general of transports alleged question in the Star regarding a cause, "Did the pilots descend from too great a height and then not have enough runway to land?"
Luverly!
Safe flying to you all, with all the rain in Josie we may need floats!
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All respect to Scully and is achievements in aviation, but did this company not give his son his aviation "break" by employing him with minimum hours. I have no doubt in his son's ability, but I don't think that Scully can be 100% neutral in this audit.
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I do not think SC is part of any audit.
Is he not an Airlink 'employee' hired to produce a 'survey' of the airline in regard to the accidents recently? But he does not have to be neutral. Any bias he may or might not have is not really relevant because he does not represent any independent authority? It does not much matter either if he is a 'safety expert' or not - as in being an airline safety officer-a job not usually reserved for a senior training captain. I always thought that his expertise was in training and so he is in an admirable position to assess crew morale and the antics of individuals-which seem to be the main points of complaint in these pages-should he choose to do so. If you read his recent article on the Hudson A320 you will see that he writes with some authority on 'primacy' and 'recency', two aspects which possibly be relevant here.The article is published in March edition 'SA Flyer' which finally made it up north. It is a most excellent read.
Is he not an Airlink 'employee' hired to produce a 'survey' of the airline in regard to the accidents recently? But he does not have to be neutral. Any bias he may or might not have is not really relevant because he does not represent any independent authority? It does not much matter either if he is a 'safety expert' or not - as in being an airline safety officer-a job not usually reserved for a senior training captain. I always thought that his expertise was in training and so he is in an admirable position to assess crew morale and the antics of individuals-which seem to be the main points of complaint in these pages-should he choose to do so. If you read his recent article on the Hudson A320 you will see that he writes with some authority on 'primacy' and 'recency', two aspects which possibly be relevant here.The article is published in March edition 'SA Flyer' which finally made it up north. It is a most excellent read.
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For whatever reason and in spite of whatever has been approved in SA, it looks as though the Europeans would not be happy about a certain livery BA146 arriving in their skies?
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Swaziland Airlink
(In 1999 the Government of Swaziland and SA Airlink together formed the company Swaziland Airlink (Pty) Ltd.)
WITHIN THE COMMUNITY1http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/doc/list_en.pdf
SWAZILAND AIRLINK Unknown SZL Swaziland
Fly Airlink
Swaziland Airlink
(In 1999 the Government of Swaziland and SA Airlink together formed the company Swaziland Airlink (Pty) Ltd.)
LIST OF AIR CARRIERS OF WHICH ALL OPERATIONS ARE SUBJECT TO A BAN
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This whole thread is quite concerning.
Is there a stabilisation policy at Airlink?
Scully, god bless, these old boys never give up, should not be involved. It should be an independent appointment by the CAA - still better the CAA itself. It's quite scary to think that the CAA do not have anyone specialised to appoint - Scully is a conflict of interest. The public needs a objective report and no smoke screens, they need to identify why this happened and what caused it. What stops RF slipping some bonus cash under the table to sweeten the retirement!
The crew, in some form or another stuffed up. Why did this happen is what the investigator needs to find out. It sounds like there has been a lot of cost cutting that has been probably pushed through by JVJ. These types make a name for themselves by cutting costs, it's so easy to do. You can save money by not servicing your car - it doesn't breakdown the next day but when it starts breaking down it's more than one item that needs fixing.
Who is responsible for the training dept, JVJ?
Is there a stabilisation policy at Airlink?
Scully, god bless, these old boys never give up, should not be involved. It should be an independent appointment by the CAA - still better the CAA itself. It's quite scary to think that the CAA do not have anyone specialised to appoint - Scully is a conflict of interest. The public needs a objective report and no smoke screens, they need to identify why this happened and what caused it. What stops RF slipping some bonus cash under the table to sweeten the retirement!
The crew, in some form or another stuffed up. Why did this happen is what the investigator needs to find out. It sounds like there has been a lot of cost cutting that has been probably pushed through by JVJ. These types make a name for themselves by cutting costs, it's so easy to do. You can save money by not servicing your car - it doesn't breakdown the next day but when it starts breaking down it's more than one item that needs fixing.
Who is responsible for the training dept, JVJ?
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