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The Virgin nigeria website says there have been quite a few changes at management. just curious if any of those in the know think that these changes will lead to better things??
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The departure of JH, first DFO, from VK, and the subsequent replacement, with Block head TM, was all HR needed, as their call up.
They took full advantage of, TMs total incompetence,when he was finally kicked out, for breaking the Law, what was his replacement. An errand boy as he has been labelled in this forum,. Apparantly they had not learnt their lesson.
The sad thing in all this, errand boy was interviewed, with JH, and chosen over JH, as the new DFO, to sort out the flight operations mess of TM and HR wars.What you are getting, is the obvious consequence of that choice.
The question that should be asked,to my mind is that do the powers that be really, want to run a first class airline on the lines of what was taken off the drawing board, prior to June 28th June 2005.... ?
Hmmmm
They took full advantage of, TMs total incompetence,when he was finally kicked out, for breaking the Law, what was his replacement. An errand boy as he has been labelled in this forum,. Apparantly they had not learnt their lesson.
The sad thing in all this, errand boy was interviewed, with JH, and chosen over JH, as the new DFO, to sort out the flight operations mess of TM and HR wars.What you are getting, is the obvious consequence of that choice.
The question that should be asked,to my mind is that do the powers that be really, want to run a first class airline on the lines of what was taken off the drawing board, prior to June 28th June 2005.... ?
Hmmmm
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SkyGod you got that right, if my memory serves me correctly, Dapo way back in the day,threw his hat into the ring as a potential DFO, but was not deemed, the right chap at the time.
No doubt, it is anticipated that his merry go round, which got him into Vk,will prepare him for the task at hand.......... Sadly i think not, but his name will go down in history...... not for the reasons that he may think,but for what has already been stated !!!! hmmm
No doubt, it is anticipated that his merry go round, which got him into Vk,will prepare him for the task at hand.......... Sadly i think not, but his name will go down in history...... not for the reasons that he may think,but for what has already been stated !!!! hmmm
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What has happened to Virgin Nigeria's plan to add 2 ERJ-190s to their fleet during the month of April? We have heard nothing about this, nor their plans to add regional destinations.
Is their punctuality deteriorating or improving? I know their only delivered ERJ190 was in the UK recently for skin repairs following a bird strike.
Is their punctuality deteriorating or improving? I know their only delivered ERJ190 was in the UK recently for skin repairs following a bird strike.
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Hotmj,
THE BATTLE LINE HAS SINCE BEEN DRAWN. The earlier VK mgt realises that there is a swine flu at the leadership of flight ops that requires immediate containment and quarantine,the better for the business.
We are no longer party to a team of selfish leaders who are more interested in arranging themselves than serving the interest of the whole lot.
Where in the world will a fleet manager dump his company in its time of need with sensitive company info,starts working for a strong competitor,and returns to vk and accorded red carpet treatment?.An ordinary Captain or F0 is sanctioned for absenteeism but a fleet manager is rewarded for disloyalty.Well this is unacceptable.
And yes, JO,the hr lady, still sits in the office of the DFO and CP giving them errands to do.
To those that have chickened out because the CP threatened you with downsizing threats,I say shame on you.The battle is still on going with or without you.Rostering will be to your favour now! But Justice and fairness will soon prevail.
THE BATTLE LINE HAS SINCE BEEN DRAWN. The earlier VK mgt realises that there is a swine flu at the leadership of flight ops that requires immediate containment and quarantine,the better for the business.
We are no longer party to a team of selfish leaders who are more interested in arranging themselves than serving the interest of the whole lot.
Where in the world will a fleet manager dump his company in its time of need with sensitive company info,starts working for a strong competitor,and returns to vk and accorded red carpet treatment?.An ordinary Captain or F0 is sanctioned for absenteeism but a fleet manager is rewarded for disloyalty.Well this is unacceptable.
And yes, JO,the hr lady, still sits in the office of the DFO and CP giving them errands to do.
To those that have chickened out because the CP threatened you with downsizing threats,I say shame on you.The battle is still on going with or without you.Rostering will be to your favour now! But Justice and fairness will soon prevail.
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I now got the bigger picture of the wholelot. I think the two "errand boys" DFO/CP in that vir nig lacks the knowledge/capacity and courage to run that place.They dont know there profile at all and also why they are there for .The era for trial and error is over. they should just resign honourably and take a bow, b4 those hot boys disgrace them out of the office. It is really a shame. Vir nig use to be everybodys dream airline, but not anymore. Its a sinking ship now. Anyway, my advise to those boys is to vote in some serious minded persons that have the pedigree and the interest of the airline at heart not there own selfish interest. Thats the way forward.
thanks
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Ok this is clearly becoming an internal political discussion.
In the meantime some of us outsiders are still wondering where the heck are the ERJ-190s VK said would receive during April, along with the wonderful new regional routes VK management said would "prioritize as part of a change in its business model".
Anyone?
In the meantime some of us outsiders are still wondering where the heck are the ERJ-190s VK said would receive during April, along with the wonderful new regional routes VK management said would "prioritize as part of a change in its business model".
Anyone?
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-Over 8 pilots upgraded to commanders in recent past and counting
-they convinced management to listen to pilot agitation for payrise and secured approval and backdated till march
-secured TRI status for some locals recently
-got vacation increased
-gave support to a pilot lad who had an accident since xmas
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what a hopeless flt ops management!
Cant think of any pilot who would not want a good looking lady around him,could that possibly be the soft spoken interview lady JO?
she can come to my place anytime,have you seen the $%$#@*&^ on that lady?
-they convinced management to listen to pilot agitation for payrise and secured approval and backdated till march
-secured TRI status for some locals recently
-got vacation increased
-gave support to a pilot lad who had an accident since xmas
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what a hopeless flt ops management!
Cant think of any pilot who would not want a good looking lady around him,could that possibly be the soft spoken interview lady JO?
she can come to my place anytime,have you seen the $%$#@*&^ on that lady?
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Seper please go back and check your facts.
The pilots directly approached mgt,two meetings were held, and they made their demands without the input of the management pilots.
Infact the pilots have made another latest demand for a change of some management pilots because it is apparent they are not on the side of the pilots. Whatever they are doing now to make the demands met are fire brigade approaches mate.As of today, no definite policy on rotation, etc.
Upgrades are normal in any organisation especially when there are shortages of captains and people on the line are qualified.
About having a lady sitting in your office ,It seems you are an errand boy that can sell out your colleagues for any thing under the skirt mate.Too bad.
Happy landings!!
The pilots directly approached mgt,two meetings were held, and they made their demands without the input of the management pilots.
Infact the pilots have made another latest demand for a change of some management pilots because it is apparent they are not on the side of the pilots. Whatever they are doing now to make the demands met are fire brigade approaches mate.As of today, no definite policy on rotation, etc.
Upgrades are normal in any organisation especially when there are shortages of captains and people on the line are qualified.
About having a lady sitting in your office ,It seems you are an errand boy that can sell out your colleagues for any thing under the skirt mate.Too bad.
Happy landings!!
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Looks like the moderators deleted my post again. What I would like to know is why hotmj43 post has not deleted as well. My post makes direct reference to him, using his name, but he also used Dapo's name on this forum. Dapo as we all know is the Deputy MD at Virgin Nigeria, Hotmj43 was a CP at Virgin Nigeria but was fired for gross incompetence. Hotmj43 from what I understand is still very bitter for this reason which can be seen from his posting. It is open secret that Dapo (who is also a pilot Captain on the B737 in aero before he left) and Hotmj43 go a long way and both cant stand each other.
This is someone who is meant to be a captain and almost killed everyone on board. I understand that would have been the end of Virgin Nigeria in the early days. I understand he had pressuriztion problems but failed to decend nor use oxygen mask, even though pax at the rear of the cabin were on oxygen (I cant even begin to imagine this).
This is the same captain now flying Arik A340 after having failed the same course (A340) initially I heard at VK. Same guy who went to Oman air and had no clue what was going on in the airplane. The present CP I heard used to fly the A340 and was the first nigerian to be checked out on it. I also heard he has been in the industry for a while, flew in the UK as a captain, working for major airlines there. You on the other had even though flew in the uk, was never allowed to take command of anything. I heard you were almost fired in Oman Air for not having a clue what was going on in the flight deck.
Now back to you moderators, please try and be fair, if you are going to delete my post then do the same to him. If not leave all posts and let people know who hotmj43 really is and why he is posting all this on this forum. This particular post would probably save lives one day, so please dont delete this one also.
Oba Idan Amani
This is someone who is meant to be a captain and almost killed everyone on board. I understand that would have been the end of Virgin Nigeria in the early days. I understand he had pressuriztion problems but failed to decend nor use oxygen mask, even though pax at the rear of the cabin were on oxygen (I cant even begin to imagine this).
This is the same captain now flying Arik A340 after having failed the same course (A340) initially I heard at VK. Same guy who went to Oman air and had no clue what was going on in the airplane. The present CP I heard used to fly the A340 and was the first nigerian to be checked out on it. I also heard he has been in the industry for a while, flew in the UK as a captain, working for major airlines there. You on the other had even though flew in the uk, was never allowed to take command of anything. I heard you were almost fired in Oman Air for not having a clue what was going on in the flight deck.
Now back to you moderators, please try and be fair, if you are going to delete my post then do the same to him. If not leave all posts and let people know who hotmj43 really is and why he is posting all this on this forum. This particular post would probably save lives one day, so please dont delete this one also.
Oba Idan Amani
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The E 190s due are probably on the slow boat from Brazil, they might have docked in Dakar, by now....... bearing in mind that their was a Pilot shoot out to get on the present course, that just got back from Crawley.Well arrival might have to do with Uba Bank......opening its vault.
Funny though, both errrand boys, as this forum chooses to call the ops mgt team are on the single aircraft E 190 fleet.......With the Brasilian Fleet manager just returned from, his travels with an NG recurrent from Wings of Nigeria, it is a complete DREAM TEAM.......what a great shame.
Well as for Judith, she is just stepping into the over sized shoes ,of departed Victor Ban..And being HR she is tripping big time....she has been their from the beginning, and knows everybody, as she has risen with all the departures
You harvest what you plant !!! Hardly Sun shine dates at the place.
Hmmmmmm
Funny though, both errrand boys, as this forum chooses to call the ops mgt team are on the single aircraft E 190 fleet.......With the Brasilian Fleet manager just returned from, his travels with an NG recurrent from Wings of Nigeria, it is a complete DREAM TEAM.......what a great shame.
Well as for Judith, she is just stepping into the over sized shoes ,of departed Victor Ban..And being HR she is tripping big time....she has been their from the beginning, and knows everybody, as she has risen with all the departures
You harvest what you plant !!! Hardly Sun shine dates at the place.
Hmmmmmm
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Thanks Oba dan amani....... life goes on you forgot to mention that i recently won the Euro Lotto. the situation at hand you should delibrate on. Better luck next time.........Funny enough what occured to me,in the same B733, 5N VNB, happened to another VK Captain, he did exactly what i did, follow the check list.Nothing to hide mate.
Hmmm
Hmmm
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Really happy about you winning the Euro lotto, at least you wont be seen in an aircraft again on the left seat with pax at the back. On checklist issues, now I should not be the one giving you lectures even though am only new to the B737 (FO currently) but again goes to show everyone here what am talking about. If you are flying at FL350, you have pressurization problems, you put on your mask and establish comms, try and control the cabin, if you cant you decend. You then carry out the checklist. Its a recall item, not we followed checklist when the Cabin has climbed above 14,000ft and cabin altitude horn is ringing. whats your TUC at that altitude, why you didnt kill everyone is beyond believe.
I dont know / care about the situation in Virgin Nigeria, they can shut down for all I care. The company is messed up anyway and if they leave, good for Aero and the other local airlines. My concern is what is your business with that anyway if you are not bitter you were kicked out of there.
Your likes who abuse power when they have it and refuse to give the youngs ones a chance. Like LJT has said so many times, your time and your likes days are over. You demoted so many Captains to FO, you had a requirement of 3000 Jet hours to be an FO on the B737, you created an empire for yourself. Your FO's could not talk when they fly with you. You were the master, now let any FO's that flew with you when you were the CP at Virgin Nigeria come out and say otherwise. Note your mate, dont think you have any.
Oba Idan Amani
I dont know / care about the situation in Virgin Nigeria, they can shut down for all I care. The company is messed up anyway and if they leave, good for Aero and the other local airlines. My concern is what is your business with that anyway if you are not bitter you were kicked out of there.
Your likes who abuse power when they have it and refuse to give the youngs ones a chance. Like LJT has said so many times, your time and your likes days are over. You demoted so many Captains to FO, you had a requirement of 3000 Jet hours to be an FO on the B737, you created an empire for yourself. Your FO's could not talk when they fly with you. You were the master, now let any FO's that flew with you when you were the CP at Virgin Nigeria come out and say otherwise. Note your mate, dont think you have any.
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Oba idan amani, whooo you are a man with all the facts wrong, what i would strongly recommend, is that when you get the corrrect facts and figures, we can have an academic debate.As opposed to i gather i heard,or i was told.
This is a rumour net work,so i will take your rage in that light.
As for the education of a recall item thanks, I only hope that at some stage in your career, which you have mentioned is F/o stage, you are able to hold your own up, as well as the chap who was with me on that day, held his up...
or do you think i was flying solo, on that day, well given the insight, i have into you, you probably heard, or gathered i was flying solo
Take care and chin up......
P/s
If you choose for further conversation, i will only chat with you, with the auto Pilot on,and my Oxygen mask on, aar Speed brake out of course, in the descent
Hotmj43
This is a rumour net work,so i will take your rage in that light.
As for the education of a recall item thanks, I only hope that at some stage in your career, which you have mentioned is F/o stage, you are able to hold your own up, as well as the chap who was with me on that day, held his up...
or do you think i was flying solo, on that day, well given the insight, i have into you, you probably heard, or gathered i was flying solo
Take care and chin up......
P/s
If you choose for further conversation, i will only chat with you, with the auto Pilot on,and my Oxygen mask on, aar Speed brake out of course, in the descent
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VK on its knees
Well judging from the rumours and facts, it seems VK is better off shutting down and admitting the whole Virgin / FGN partnership to have gone sour, very sour a long time ago.
No punctuality, under-capitalized, stiff competition and no staff morale.... I wonder where things can improve given that clown Clifford is still sitting on his desk.
Sadly, VK's possible demise will not make much of a difference as Arik and other airlines can come in and fill the small gap it occupies now.
No punctuality, under-capitalized, stiff competition and no staff morale.... I wonder where things can improve given that clown Clifford is still sitting on his desk.
Sadly, VK's possible demise will not make much of a difference as Arik and other airlines can come in and fill the small gap it occupies now.
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I really feel you have a personal grudge with Hmj and dont think this is the right place for it
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VK has major problems and when the crew meet with upper mngt bypassing their immediate managers, that should tell them there is a problem with the chain of command. I personally have no beef with the mngt and think it is just lack of experience and the fact Hr took control of the Airline from the start. There is still a chance to save the company but based on my experience the person instigating the move to meet upper mngt has big plans (lets hope they are not selfish plans). Flying all over the world does not make you a good manager it only means you have experience and hopefully you can impart some of that experience giving the right opportunity in mngt. A ceo of a company needs to be an administrator not a technician and if the advise giving by his chosen advisers is faulty then his decisions will be wrong and it seems the VK ceo only listens to the people in the office with him not the respective aviation managers.
Guys only suggestion I can give is you have to back your managers 100%, coz if they go down you might be saddled with a DFO like the previous one ( Door closed policy).
As is said "only the man who is wearing the shoe knows were it pinches".
FLY SAFE
I really feel you have a personal grudge with Hmj and dont think this is the right place for it
. VK has major problems and when the crew meet with upper mngt bypassing their immediate managers, that should tell them there is a problem with the chain of command. I personally have no beef with the mngt and think it is just lack of experience and the fact Hr took control of the Airline from the start. There is still a chance to save the company but based on my experience the person instigating the move to meet upper mngt has big plans (lets hope they are not selfish plans). Flying all over the world does not make you a good manager it only means you have experience and hopefully you can impart some of that experience giving the right opportunity in mngt. A ceo of a company needs to be an administrator not a technician and if the advise giving by his chosen advisers is faulty then his decisions will be wrong and it seems the VK ceo only listens to the people in the office with him not the respective aviation managers.
Guys only suggestion I can give is you have to back your managers 100%, coz if they go down you might be saddled with a DFO like the previous one ( Door closed policy).
As is said "only the man who is wearing the shoe knows were it pinches".
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QUOTE 5N-PILOT:Seper please go back and check your facts.
The pilots directly approached mgt,two meetings were held, do and they made their demands without the input of the management pilots.
5N-PILOT you obviously dont have your facts well!who set up this meetings? Do you for an inch think they listened to you without CP and DFO input? if you do you must be the most ignorant of VK inner workings
Infact the pilots have made another latest demand for a change of some management pilots because it is apparent they are not on the side of the pilots. Whatever they are doing now to make the demands met are fire brigade approaches mate.As of today, no definite policy on rotation, etc.
Your leave has been increased has it not?
Which pilots made a demand for change,the digruntled few or majority?
Are you pissed off by the non support of your colleagues?
CP is not capable of threats,he cant hurt a fly,he's a gentleman
After all at the virgin court meeting this was not the plan,why did you deviate to personal attacks
Upgrades are normal in any organisation especially when there are shortages of captains and people on the line are qualified.
I quite agree but mention one airline in Nigeria that has upgraded 10 f/o's in less than 8 months?
About having a lady sitting in your office ,It seems you are an errand boy that can sell out your colleagues for any thing under the skirt mate.Too bad.
am sure your colleagues will be willing to be sold for a higher salary and more vacation maybe you should concentrate on advising and helping the CP in constructive criticsm,than woeful attempts at turning flight ops into EKITI,afterall the management people who put him there are not complaining
Happy landings!!
The pilots directly approached mgt,two meetings were held, do and they made their demands without the input of the management pilots.
5N-PILOT you obviously dont have your facts well!who set up this meetings? Do you for an inch think they listened to you without CP and DFO input? if you do you must be the most ignorant of VK inner workings
Infact the pilots have made another latest demand for a change of some management pilots because it is apparent they are not on the side of the pilots. Whatever they are doing now to make the demands met are fire brigade approaches mate.As of today, no definite policy on rotation, etc.
Your leave has been increased has it not?
Which pilots made a demand for change,the digruntled few or majority?
Are you pissed off by the non support of your colleagues?
CP is not capable of threats,he cant hurt a fly,he's a gentleman
After all at the virgin court meeting this was not the plan,why did you deviate to personal attacks
Upgrades are normal in any organisation especially when there are shortages of captains and people on the line are qualified.
I quite agree but mention one airline in Nigeria that has upgraded 10 f/o's in less than 8 months?
About having a lady sitting in your office ,It seems you are an errand boy that can sell out your colleagues for any thing under the skirt mate.Too bad.
am sure your colleagues will be willing to be sold for a higher salary and more vacation maybe you should concentrate on advising and helping the CP in constructive criticsm,than woeful attempts at turning flight ops into EKITI,afterall the management people who put him there are not complaining
Happy landings!!
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OIA,
It is quite unfortunate that when we all do not like what we read/hear, we get out our GUNS and get ready for battle!!!
Thank you so much for helping buttress one of my major points about the Old-Gen Pilots; but i must say that when i made those statements, they were not personal.
I find it a bit difficult to believe that you have gone all this way on a public forum to discredit a colleague, be it true or false and regardless of past and present sins.
We are all human, thus, subject to err at some stages of our lives.
The thing is whether we learn from our mistakes, pick ourselves up and move on.
I could go on forever here about everything and everyone, self included, but it think our audience would find it quite as distasteful as what you have put down for the consumption of others.
Based on what i know of you, i bet if we dig into you? We WILL find skeletons for sure, other than those we know already!! There was a time you looked up to HMJ, thats now taken an unfortunate turn.
It is my take that you tender an apology to HMJ and let this story die here.
We cannot all at the slightest provocation, go all out to malign others because we are displeased with their utterances, its called growing up!!
Yes, we are entitled to our opinions, then again; airing them can be quite damaging!!! And you must remember that opinions are like A$$holes, everybody has one!!
I am sorry, but on this occasion, i must hold my support for you and ask that you do what's right!!
The Vk issue is one that will play itself out for good or bad. We as by-standers just have to sit and watch it unfold. Its not personal!!!
These are the things that separate us, our ability to self destruct!!! I don't see the oyinbo boys washing their linen here??!!!
Get it straight mate, you're wrong on this one!!!
Cheers.
Seper,
FYI i disagree that your CP cant hurt a fly!!! Tell him i said so!!!!
It is quite unfortunate that when we all do not like what we read/hear, we get out our GUNS and get ready for battle!!!
Thank you so much for helping buttress one of my major points about the Old-Gen Pilots; but i must say that when i made those statements, they were not personal.
I find it a bit difficult to believe that you have gone all this way on a public forum to discredit a colleague, be it true or false and regardless of past and present sins.
We are all human, thus, subject to err at some stages of our lives.
The thing is whether we learn from our mistakes, pick ourselves up and move on.
I could go on forever here about everything and everyone, self included, but it think our audience would find it quite as distasteful as what you have put down for the consumption of others.
Based on what i know of you, i bet if we dig into you? We WILL find skeletons for sure, other than those we know already!! There was a time you looked up to HMJ, thats now taken an unfortunate turn.
It is my take that you tender an apology to HMJ and let this story die here.
We cannot all at the slightest provocation, go all out to malign others because we are displeased with their utterances, its called growing up!!
Yes, we are entitled to our opinions, then again; airing them can be quite damaging!!! And you must remember that opinions are like A$$holes, everybody has one!!
I am sorry, but on this occasion, i must hold my support for you and ask that you do what's right!!
The Vk issue is one that will play itself out for good or bad. We as by-standers just have to sit and watch it unfold. Its not personal!!!
These are the things that separate us, our ability to self destruct!!! I don't see the oyinbo boys washing their linen here??!!!
Get it straight mate, you're wrong on this one!!!
Cheers.
Seper,
FYI i disagree that your CP cant hurt a fly!!! Tell him i said so!!!!