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Old 2nd Feb 2008, 10:25
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Virgin Nigeria Vs Federal Govt Of Nigeria Et Al

31 January 08
COURT RESTRAINS FEDERAL AIRPORTS AUTHORITY OF NIGERIA (FAAN) FROM RELOCATING VIRGIN NIGERIA’S DOMESTIC OPERATIONS TO MURTALA MOHAMMED AIRPORT DOMESTIC TERMINAL 2 Lagos, Nigeria: 31 January 2008: The Federal High Court sitting in Ikoyi, Lagos has today restrained the Federal Ministry of Transportation (Aviation) and other relevant Agencies including the Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria (FAAN) from forcefully relocating Virgin Nigeria’s domestic operations pending the determination on notice of the order brought before his court.

The case came up for hearing as Virgin Nigeria raised concerns over the violation of the fundamental basis of its formation which is creating a hub in Lagos as stipulated by the Federal Ministry of Aviation (on behalf of the FGN ) and its technical Partners.
Another key concern presented to the judge by Virgin Nigeria over the proposed relocation is the safety operational status of the Murtala Mohammed Airport domestic terminal 2. Granting the exparte order, Justice Ibrahim Auta of the Federal High Court, Ikoyi refered to the Memorandum of Mutual undertaking (MMU) which recognises that Virgin Nigeria has a legal right to carry out domestic, regional and international flight operations from its hub at Murtala Mohammed International Airport.

He also cited the IATA report of November 7th 2007 which rated the MM2 as falling below operational safety standards.

Virgin Nigeria’s Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Conrad Clifford while reacting to the unwarranted attitude of FAAN over the use of armed security Agents to demolish Virgin Nigeria’s domestic business class lounge said that it is unfortunate that relevant authorities have turned a deaf ear to the MMU as well as safety concerns by embarking on forceful ejection of Virgin Nigeria’s domestic operations.

“Virgin Nigeria is committed to continually offer safe flight operations and we will not accede to intimidation to compromise standards”, said Conrad Clifford.

It is instructive to note that one of the concerns raised by the IATA team was the size of the apron being relatively too small for the proposed scale of operations amongst other key safety operational issues.



Dear All,

As you may or may not be aware, we were served notice by the NCAA a week ago that we would have to move our domestic flights from MMIA to the new Domestic terminal MM2 by midnight tonight.

In the interim, we attempted unsuccessfully to engage the parastatals in discussion on this. Last night our domestic business class lounge was demolished.

As a result we were forced to seek protection from the courts and have today received a High Court injunction restraining any further action to move us to MM2 or to prevent us from operating at MMIA until a High Court hearing takes place to establish the legality of the initial directive from NCAA.

We are therefore assuming that barring any illegal actions by the parastatals, we will operate our normal schedules tomorrow, albeit we no longer have a Business Class Lounge for the comfort of our premium passengers. Based upon legal advice, we also believe that we will continue to enjoy the right to operate all flights from MMIA unhindered as originally set out in the MMU (Mutual Memorandum of Undertaking) with the FGN under which Virgin Nigeria was established.

We expect there to be a High Court hearing which will underline the rights that were granted to Virgin Nigeria in this respect.


Some of you may ask, why not simply move to MM2?

Strategically, we cannot operate an effective hub from two home bases, that’s why FGN granted us this right in the first place!

Secondly, based on our current assessment, supported by an IATA Audit Report conducted in November 2007, MM2 is not able to accommodate the monopoly of all domestic airline operations that was granted under its concession. The deficiencies would have a negative impact on safety, security, passenger comfort and operational viability were we to move there.

And finally, were we forced to operate from MM2 we would have to scale down from our current level of operation with all the contingent negative impacts on profitability and the growth aspirations for the airline.


Aviation in Nigeria has been through a massive change for the better ever since we started operations. A move such as this would undo much of the progress that has been made by all of those engaged in aviation in Nigeria thus far: the parastatals, the Airlines and the Regulators.

Our Chairman and Board of Directors are confident that the legal process which FGN supports will see that good sense, reason and fairness will prevail.

I’d like to express our appreciation to our staff in Nigeria and particularly at MMIA for your steadfastness and loyalty in the face of baffling behaviour by some of our good friends in the industry.

With Best regards

Conrad
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Rule Of Law Indeed

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD DEAR CON-RED I WISH YOU AND YOURS A HAPPY WAR ON THIS ISSUES, I REALLY HOPE YOU WIN AGAINST THE GOVT OF NIGERIA,THE WAY A TRULY NIGERIAN CARRIER WILL DEFINITELY WIN AGAINST ONE THAT IS (TRULY) YOURS.METHINKS THAT YOU DONT CHANGE THE RULES IN MIDDLE OF THE GAME.A RULE THAT WE ALL ARE WONT TO FORGET,I SINCERELY WISH YOU ALL THE BEST IN THESE TRYING TIMES ALUTA CONTINUA,WHAT GOES AROUND COMES SURELY AROUND ARIVEDECI
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18Left,

Indeed, common sense and the rule of law shall prevail. I have 2 questions:

1- Can we expect VK to sue for compensation for the damaged property and all lost revenue caused by the illegal actions of FAAN?

2- Doesn't Bi-Courtney also have a legal document (BoT contract) with FGN stipulating it has the exclusive rights to accomdate domestic traffic? As I understood, BC has the right to park client aircraft remotely in the GAT ramp, and is working to expand its own ramp.

Good luck to you and VK. I also agree that VK helped initiate real aviation reforms.

PS. What do you think about below Bi-Courtney press release?

MMA2 Meets All Standards

Operators of the Murtala Mohammed Airport Terminal Two (MMA2), Bi-Courtney Aviation Services Limited have described as false, misleading and damaging, the report credited to the International Air Transport Association (IATA) that the new terminal is inadequate.The company, in a swift reaction, said that there has never been an inspection of its facility by the international aviation body or its representative and therefore there couldn’t have been any basis for a report. Speaking, the managing director, Alex Van Elk, said that the terminal has been audited four times by the aviation regulatory bodies in Nigeria, including, the Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria (FAAN), Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA). The bodies were satisfied with the operational and safety standards of the facilities including the apron which was designed according to IATA specifications. These inspections led to the signing of a Memorandum of Association (MOU) between Bi-Courtney and FAAN, following which, operations commenced at the airport.The airport was built under the Public-Private Partnership arrangement which required huge investments by Bi-Courtney Limited, a Nigerian company driving the Nigerian economy through the provision of world class infrastructure.Bi-Courtney Aviation Services is committed to ensuring first class facilities and services to airport users in line with their vision and mission to transform Lagos into a hub for Africa.
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Angel All Seems to be in Order

Ah yes, Arthur von Moose, well-known former Damaging Director of Arik Wings, another company of impeccable pedigree with sound finance which has never been linked to any financial impropriety involving former governors or sons of high ranking government figures
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This must make Balewa so proud. Another post for him to print and take to his mates at civil aviation
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I still dont understand why we try so hard to destroy good things!
I dont know of any hub in the world that has zero facilities for transfer passengers,even accra next door has a very efficient transfer system.
Gentlemen its all about the passengers,those who airports were built for and pay our salaries including those of FAAN.
Why cant we rise above personal gra gra and do whats best in the interest of all?
Who here would like to travel with his family arrive MMA2 with six suitcases and negotiate a taxi to catch BA at 9pm at night at international?is that what BA will do to connect to aberdeen out of heathrow?
Lets see what president rule of law will do,after all it was clearly stated in the agreement
The whole world is watching how we treat foreign investors who dont drop.........,and so is virgin atlantic, who has influenece on the U.K govt,afterall branson was with gordon on his way to asia,so for those who want a third carrier to the U.K.............................. continue to harass VK
what goes around will come around
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The N factor strikes again!

Am I reading this right? You come into Domestic to catch an international flight and you have to collect your bags, get a taxi, head around the airport perimeter, go through the toll gates and run the gauntlet at International Departures? That sounds like fun! It shall be like unto arriving at Heathrow and heading off to Gatwick on the M25, squared or cubed.

I had been watching the fun as they built that domestic terminal, wondering to myself what fresh hell would erupt once it was put into operation and now I think I know.
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It isn't just the passengers that will be affected, though that in itself is good reason enough to abandon the stupid idea.

Many of the aircraft operate in Domestic and out International. At present the aircraft stays where it is and there is no disruption to the operation.
Under the ridiculous proposals of FAAN if the aircraft arrives in Domestic to depart International then the passengers are either
1. to make their own way airside to landside, then surface transport on the congested roads between the two terminals.
2. an aiside road for company buses between the two terminals to allow airside transfer between the two points thereby reducing the exposure to the normal roads congestion and dodgy taxis

Of course nothing has been planned, let alone provided for option 2!!!!

So A/c utilisation will have to be re-planned and become less efficient as they split effectively into two fleets, one for Domestic operations and one for International.

The whole idea is a nonsense and against every legally agreed promise made to VK at its inception.

Have Arik also been told to move out of the International terminal?
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When will VK decide that enough is enough and throw in the towel?
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A More Balanced View

I hope Virgin don't throw in the towel unless FAAN come up with a sensible solution to move transfer passengers securely inside the airport perimeter in shuttle buses as suggested by Surely Not.

SN, Arik have already agreed to move, but don't know if they have yet as they were still in International terminal 3 weeks ago. I wonder if that's related to Van Elk having been MD of Arik?

Chanchangi didn't seem too impressed with the new terminal and withdrew from there due to what it termed "unnecessary bills".

Captain Daniel Omale's article in today's Leadership newspaper is a fair summary of the state of affairs:

Leadership - Airline Operators of Nigeria Baseless Threat


Airline Operators Of Nigeria’s Baseless Argument/Threat


Airline operators of Nigeria (AON), last week, called on the federal government to immediately order Arik Air and Virgin Nigeria out of the international wing of Murtala Mohammed Airport, Lagos, attributing the incessant drug trafficking cases at the airport to the lumping of both the international and domestic flights at the international wing of the airport. AON also threatened to sanction any member airline that does not operate from the new domestic terminal, MMA2, run by Bi-Courtney Aviation Services. The chairman of the organization, Dr Steve Mahonwu, is either ignorant of the principles of airline business, or the principles of economics.

The main objective of running any business is to make profit; period. If MMA2 run by Bi-Courtney Aviation Services is more expensive than the Federal Airport Authority of Nigeria’s (FAAN) terminals, then the airlines have the choice of what is more profitable for their business. This country operates on the economic of free enterprise, scarcity and choice and demand and supply. If Bi-Courtney Aviation Services has the best product for the airlines, at the most affordable price, then it is the responsibility of Bi-Courtney to sell themselves to the airlines and not AON to order any airline to use MMA2.

Secondly, operating both domestic and international flights from one airport cannot be the catalyst for drug trafficking. 99% of all the airports in the World today operate both local and international flights from one terminal building. If we are indisciplined as Nigerians and cocaine smuggling has now re-surfaced at our airports, then, we must question ourselves as to why the re-occurrence and what is the National Drug Law Enforcement Agency (NDLEA) doing to curtail the situation?

The airlines have the choice of patronizing either FAAN or Bi-Courtney, which ever they find cheaper and conducive for their passengers. The passengers on the other hand have choices of airlines to fly with regard to airfare, terminal and boarding services. If an airline chooses to use MMA2, which is more expensive than London Heathrow (as insinuated by Arik Airline MD) and the airline can keep its business profitable, then it is the absolute right of the airline to patronize Bi-Courtney terminal.

What we are advocating for in airline business, which is still highly regulated, is pure de-regulation, without any form of government intervention or obstruction, except in the areas of safety, international relations and defense.

It is an irony that AON has just noticed that the past government of Obasanjo favoured Virgin Nigeria over other airlines during their entrance into our market. What has AON done since Kema Chikwe’s regime when all the airlines with airplanes above 22 years old were banned from operating without any grace period? AON’s argument is baseless, illegal and empty. AON as an organization needs to be cohesive and un-individualistic. If a member airline is undergoing unnecessary pressure from the NCAA or other government agencies today, members turn their heads the other way, leaving that airline to suffer the consequences, alone. What is the chairman of AON’s interest in forcing our airlines to patronize Bi-Courtney terminal? If MMA2 is affordable for the airlines, patronage cannot be a problems for the terminal will sell itself.

With due respect to Wale Babalakin, who has invested so much to develop the terminal to international standard for passengers comfort, we all support this laudable project, but it must be devoid of any unwarranted intimidation.

The former General Manager (legal) of FAAN, Yomi Oyelola was sacked by Fani- Kayode, the then minister of aviation, when Oyelola explained the illegality of extending the build Operate and transfer (BOT) contract of Bi-Courtney Aviation Services with FAAN. The original contract was for 15 years, it was later changed to 20 years and now extended to 36 years. To me, this is very sad, as the GM did nothing wrong by opposing the alterations of the contract. If Nigerians are not free to express their views, especially, as it regards their official responsibilities, then we are not yet ready to run a nation. The General Manager, for posterity, must be recalled to explain his own version on the issue, if we are to practice justice in this country.

Airlines in this country have the right to use any terminal of their choice; the only deciders are the passengers, who pay the bills, and not AON.

Competition is the name of the game. Let FAAN and Bi-Courtney compete for the patronage of the airlines with good rates and services. The choice is theirs and not AON.

It is more encouraging for airline operators of Nigeria to sanction any member that deviates from safety practices such as standard training for their crews, bi-annual Cockpit Resource Management (CRM) for their pilots and poor maintenance of their aircraft. The unfortunate thing about the airline industry in Nigeria is that, most airline owners are business people who lack basic knowledge of the industry, but find it hard to trust and utilize the knowledge of their employees.

MMA2 operated by Bi-Courtney Aviation Services does not in any way constitute a safer flight operational standard, but may render better passenger services that can only be ascertained by both the lessee and those they intend to serve. By and large, the price must be acceptable to those wishing to engage in business with MMA2. If Bi-Courtney cannot attract customers for their business, it is not AON’s duty to coerce its members.

FAAN held the monopoly of airport and terminal services in the past, but with MMA2 run by a private company, airlines should expect better services from FAAN and competitive prices from Bi-Courtney. If the lease rate of the new terminal run by a private company is too high for individual airline, the choice of staying with FAAN or using FAAN terminals, solely rest with the airline. This is the choice that arises out of competition. We need more private interests in running our airports to improve services and lower lease rates for the airlines, which will be transferred to the passengers.

The combination of both AON and Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA) to foster safety initiatives will definitely improve flight safety in aviation industry in Nigeria.

The greatest setbacks in aviation industry in our country are in areas of aircraft maintenance and engineering, and manpower shortage.

Maintenance is a 24-7 function that requires careful organization, tight control, diligent oversight and robust quality assurance. Airlines have instituted comprehensive oversight systems to ensure that aircraft are maintained properly in accordance with FAA regulations and manufacturers standards. In addition to FAA oversight, air carriers generally maintain their own on-site staff at their major maintenance-provider locations to continually monitor performance and quality.

Airline operation is a fragile and capital intensive business; AON should focus more on serious issues like safety and manpower development than soliciting patronage for someone else’s business.
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Just FYI,
MMA2 has been approved for the processing of regional passengers. i.e, customs and immigration and NDLEA have opened up facilities at the airport. MMIA will be reserved for the intercontinental flights.
its not the best but you need to get all the airlines on a level playing field. What we need to push for is to have a transfer link within the perimeeter of the airport btw MMA2 and MMIA. this way the passengers remain airside.
thats been taled about but will be along time coming.
The other down side is going to tbe the traffic on the access road to MMA2
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MMA2 is too small already for the flights at peak times. The apron area is way too small and as such it is ridiculous to be forcing yet more aircraft over there.

AON has never represented VK in a fair and just manner, despite I believe VK paying its dues to the organisation. Instead it has continued to espouse the half truths and outright lies of some of its other members who are threatened by the International standards that VK has brought to Nigerian Aviation.

AON has no remit to try to force it's members to relocate, especially when those members have good reasons not to move. It should be representing their views with the authorities.

VK has spent considerable sums of Naiara to demolish and rebulid areas of MMIA for its passengers comfort and ease of travel. It is amazing that FAAN can without any apparent censure destroy part of this overnight with armed police support!!!

Where is the negotiated settlement with VK to compensate them for the wrecking of their business plan and destruction of their property?

Best wishes to Conrad and his team, I hope they reach a successful outcome.
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I dont know how this will work.
Already we hear bicourtney is unable to provide sufficient terminal passes for the three airlines operating out of MMA2.
we hear they have started issuing temporary passes,and are threatening users of those temporary passes for having them.
We understand some airline personnel have been detained in confined areas for as much as three hours,because they have only been issued temporary passes in MMA2 by FAAN officers, even though FAAN and bicourtney officials are aware they are bonafide authourised operational personnel.
No recourse to a lawyer,police not involved,and this is unacceptable.

Private sector participation is supposed to lure investors,not force them kicking and screaming into a forced contractual agreement.

How will they cope with VK and Arik personnel that number in the hundreds if they cannot cope with what they are presently trying to manage?
Does it make sense to populate key management positions with ex civil servants, and not expect beureaucracy gone mad mentality to be the order of the day,which now appears to be the norm within MMA2.

Chaichangi found their charges unreasonable and relocated operations to old domestic airport.

premium car park which gives direct access to the terminal cordoned off from use,for lack of receipts at automatic barrier access control system.

preboarded area has a low standard catering facility with empty office spaces so over priced no company with responsible financial outlook can consider leasing them.
No internet wireless facilities for travellers,insufficient power points for todays business traveller who has to energise phones and laptops.

Why the denial of the IATA report or observation on the terminal?
Any lay man can see that the terminal is not properly constructed with finishing improperly done in many parts of the terminal.

They need to get their act together now,or they will find failure just around the corner.

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Richard Branson Appeals to Yar'Adua

Richard Barnson has become personally involved in the MMA2 fiasco and has written personally to President Yar'Adua:

Virgin Group President, Richard Branson, has written to President Umaru Yar’Adua to intervene in the directive to eject Virgin Nigeria from its operational base at the Murtala Mohammed International Airport in Lagos.

Branson said the order violates the article of formation of the flag carrier signed by representatives of the government and himself.

The letter, dated January 30, sought the intervention of Yar’Adua as it would be counter productive for Virgin Nigeria to operate from the Murtala Mohammed Airport 2 terminal as now directed by the authorities.

"The directive to split Virgin Nigeria’s domestic operations from its regional and international operations will put the achievements of the airline at risk as the ability for Virgin Nigeria to operate all services out of the Murtala Mohammed International Airport is a core condition of the Memorandum of Mutual Undertaking (MMU) which is the basis of the set up of the airline," Branson stated.

He noted that operating from one terminal is an absolute requirement for any national airline hoping to create an effective hub that will enable it to compete effectively on the world stage.

Virgin Nigeria was incorporated in Nigeria following the signing of a Memorandum of Mutual Undertaking (MMU) between the government and Virgin Atlantic Airways on 28 September 2004 to set up a flag carrier.

Last week, Virgin Nigeria secured an order from the Federal High Court in Lagos restraining aviation agencies of the Ministry of Transport from relocating its local operations to the domestic terminal of the airport.

But the airline cited safety concerns in its resistance to the order.
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MM2 : FG Approves Expansion Plan

Quote From Thisday Newspaper
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The concern about space and safety issues expres-sed by Virgin Nigeria on the new domestic wing of the Murtala Muhammed Interna-tional Airport, Lagos, are being addressed by the Federal Government, THISDAY has learnt.
Following last week’s directive by the Federal Government that Arik Air and Virgin Nigeria should move their domestic operations from the international wing of the airport to MM2, the new domestic terminal, Virgin Nigeria had secured an order from the Federal High Court sitting in Ikoyi, retraining the Federal Airport Authority of Nigeria (FAAN) from forcing it out of the international terminal.
The national carrier complained that it was a violation of its fundamental basis of its formation, “which is creating a hub in Lagos as stipulated by the Federal Ministry of Aviation and its technical partners”, while also alleging that an International Air Transport Association (IATA) report has not given MM2 “safety operational status”.
However, the Director-General of the Nigeria Civil Aviation Authority (NCAA), Dr Harold Demuren, has told THISDAY that there are plans to expand the new terminal in order to accommodate all the airlines and address the issue of space constraint, adding that the terminal currently has six aprons.
The NCAA building, he said, would be demolished to create more space for the terminal, while the whole General Aviation Terminal (GAT) – which is primarily for private operations – would also be made part of the terminal.
“At the end, it would be large enough to accommodate both existing and future airlines in the country,” he said.
On the IATA report, which Virgin Nigeria is referring to in its newspaper adverts, Demuren asked the public to be cautious in alluding to it “because its authenticity is questionable”.
He said: “We have to be very careful about that. “IATA very soon will make a statement. We should be very careful about that. It is very contentious. There was a report like that but it is very contentious. A lot of people believe that the report is suspicious. So we need to wait. It will soon be settled. But you have to understand one thing: IATA is talking of the level of operation that will take place there. That is, if all the airlines move to the place as it is now, it will become unsafe.”
He also cautioned against frustrating Bi-Courtney Aviation Services, operators of MM2, which is the first public-private partnership project successfully executed in the industry, remarking that it was the same government that signed the memorandum of understanding with Virgin Nigeria that also signed an agreement for the building of the terminal – and it is also the same government that asked the airline to move its domestic operations to the domestic terminal.
“There was no GAT before. The airport was burnt; government or Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria (FAAN) could not raise money to build another one, and this private investor built one. That is what we have to understand. They have to recover their investment. That’s how we came into the agreement. You have to understand that they invested so much money into that place so they have to recover their money. If not, Nigeria, this industry, will never have PPP again and it is very important that it should be encouraged. PPP is a great idea. It is a way to go. It is a great opportunity and if we miss it, it is going to affect development in this country,” Demuren said, expressing the hope that there would be an amicable settlement of the problem. "

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International Wing, Domestic Wing and then there's the all mighty Ramp Area (always been my favourite, still is) hmmm

Now the Runway's, yes lets not forget the runway's ............ they call 18L the local runway and then 18R the international runway (even the controllers themselves say the same thing) just baffles me

And finally the all new domestic wing, big deal, took a quick tour and left with a smirk and not the least surprised about what I saw, once again Nigerians and the world have been taked for a ride, na wetin una call that place again MMA2 ......UNA TRY!!!

Well have fun, deliberate and make good judgement amongst yourselves, and no fighting now, as for me, its back to the beach house, its getting cold here, might just stop at Taco Bell's drive through for a bite.

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recoup their money

Demuren I tot should be independent and act as a regulator. He is already taking sides.

Airports are built considering safety (of passengers, service equipment, aircraft and personnel), passenger convenience (transit in particular) and profitability.

All these is not being addressed by NCAA. They are sacrifing there building now to expand apron?

The real people behind bicourtney have not shown face, selfish interest is the issue here. MMA2 does not help the growing industry in 2008 and beyond. Govt should think of something better than MMIA so as to make LOS a true HUB.

This will grow the market, tourism and more revenue 2 naija.

Lets be very patriotic in handling this issue and follow the right part. Its not all about money, this is aviation!! This is not railway corperation.
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MMA2 was built in entirely the wrong place anyway. It should have been built in the area between the two runways for improved passenger access between terminals and with a new, much larger ramp area. In its present position and with all its inbuilt problems it'll just end up as another disaster. Profit before passengers should be its motto.

If this, (I think) the first example of Public Private Partnership (PPP) in the Nigerian aviation sector, is an example of what could happen wen 6 major airports are privatised under similar PPP schemes, it does not bode well for the international air passenger in Nigeria
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can Balewa assist us in forwarding these posts to NCAA/FAAN?
it would be nice if they new what we pilots thought about this issue
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Methinks its not about what you pilots think,its all about the secrecy,deals,etc ;that were done in the dark that will soon be exposed for all to see, concerning the the whole setup, very soon all the dirty linen will be on the fence,the way terminal gist is progressing, is possibly gonna bring a lot of hidden stuff to the surface.Some guys are already getting personal ,be it safety or financial, we shall soon get to know who the real power brokers are;be it virgin,bi-courtney,govt et al,lets all be civil and siddon look,e go soon clear and yawa go gas.
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