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I have just learnt from the grapevine that:
Some students washed have gone ahead to finish their training elsewhere and meet the same standards set -'the ones they were accused of not meeting!'. Talk of what an environment change can do to a student's morale.
About the Nairobi meeting held sometime last year, I hear it was brought about by some explosive case of high handedness and the school directors were at a loss to explain it/them and made concessions to prevent loss of business.
It's all business!
The 'case' had caused a delay in the dispatch of more cadets to the school. Understandably.
It is obvious (dare I say) that KQ is one of the school's most valued clients but unfortnately its cadets are the most mistreated! There seems to be a major dislike/envy of the cadets by the school - talk of the necessary evil. What an environment to train in. A FM is rumoured to have said 'we like ripping kenyans of their money!' - whatever that meant.
Another set of cadets were sent to another school and the results were better, and they all fared well meeting the same standards set. Another set sent to 43 had worse luck, wash card raised severally and major concerns raised by the students on the procedure followed for this and questionable manner it was done. Different set of cadets selected from the same group of kenyans achieve dissimilar results at different institutions. Ummh...
May I digress a little and ask if the school was well prepared for the growth in the last several years? Seems to me that it wasnt - there must be a tradition for handling airline clients and that takes time. Were steps taken in readiness for these new set of clientele? Me thinks that the rapid growth may have fooled some to bahave with impunity. Mistakes will be made along the way, as it shows now, but you must learn from them. Higher standards may have been misconstrued to mean high wash outs regardless. Me thinks if you demand high standards, you must provide a conducive environment for them to be achieved. Nurture the student to be at ease not afraid to achieve his/her potential and be professional when the wash card is raised if necessary. Back your case well. Dont grin!
I just happened to see this elsewhere: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28345 . “….recent criticism
that, directed at OATS, about the perceived treatment of airline sponsored cadets versus self-sponsored students.” By Dirk. What was that about and does it mirror what's happening at 43 or was it the opposite - 'airline guys favoured there'?
Again, dont shoot the messenger. The truth is hard to accept sometimes. Let your eyes wander elsewhere if you cant face it.
I have just learnt from the grapevine that:
Some students washed have gone ahead to finish their training elsewhere and meet the same standards set -'the ones they were accused of not meeting!'. Talk of what an environment change can do to a student's morale.
About the Nairobi meeting held sometime last year, I hear it was brought about by some explosive case of high handedness and the school directors were at a loss to explain it/them and made concessions to prevent loss of business.
It's all business!The 'case' had caused a delay in the dispatch of more cadets to the school. Understandably.
It is obvious (dare I say) that KQ is one of the school's most valued clients but unfortnately its cadets are the most mistreated! There seems to be a major dislike/envy of the cadets by the school - talk of the necessary evil. What an environment to train in. A FM is rumoured to have said 'we like ripping kenyans of their money!' - whatever that meant.
Another set of cadets were sent to another school and the results were better, and they all fared well meeting the same standards set. Another set sent to 43 had worse luck, wash card raised severally and major concerns raised by the students on the procedure followed for this and questionable manner it was done. Different set of cadets selected from the same group of kenyans achieve dissimilar results at different institutions. Ummh...
May I digress a little and ask if the school was well prepared for the growth in the last several years? Seems to me that it wasnt - there must be a tradition for handling airline clients and that takes time. Were steps taken in readiness for these new set of clientele? Me thinks that the rapid growth may have fooled some to bahave with impunity. Mistakes will be made along the way, as it shows now, but you must learn from them. Higher standards may have been misconstrued to mean high wash outs regardless. Me thinks if you demand high standards, you must provide a conducive environment for them to be achieved. Nurture the student to be at ease not afraid to achieve his/her potential and be professional when the wash card is raised if necessary. Back your case well. Dont grin!
I just happened to see this elsewhere: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28345 . “….recent criticism
that, directed at OATS, about the perceived treatment of airline sponsored cadets versus self-sponsored students.” By Dirk. What was that about and does it mirror what's happening at 43 or was it the opposite - 'airline guys favoured there'?
Again, dont shoot the messenger. The truth is hard to accept sometimes. Let your eyes wander elsewhere if you cant face it.
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Another set of cadets were sent to another school and the results were better, and they all fared well meeting the same standards set.
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Read it, don't read it... just my opinion:
I'm afraid, having been an instructor, it is quite common for students to think that if they are academically strong, they will be good pilots. Unfortunately this is not necessarily the case.
Lack of command and awareness is usually the main reason why students get washed in the early stages of flying. When something goes wrong or you make a mistake, we want to see that you do something about it. Because they had done so well in the ground school, some clever individuals usually have difficulty understanding why they got washed. You can be a rocket scientist but not have what it takes to be a good pilot. Some students are brilliant when it comes to the theory, but when it comes to applying it and doing the practical side of things, they just don't cope. You can learn all about an aeroplane, but that will not make you a pilot. Passing all your subjects first time does not mean all that much when it comes to the flying. If a student does not take control of the aircraft and whichever situation they find themselves in, they cannot be sent solo. It is not in their best interest either as they may kill themselves.
I don't think any instructor wants someone to fail. You put all that sweat and blood into that person's training and more than anything, you want them to pass. And not just pass, but be the best! My work is my pride! And your students reflect on you and how well you are doing your job. I have never ever ever treated my private students differently to any sponsored students. I trained them all the same. And explained things over and over and over if it was needed. No matter who they were. They are all students to me, no difference. Howcome we are not getting this type of complaint from the private students? And in SA there are many private students of colour! In many of the flying schools. It is funny how students are so good when they pass, but the instructors are the bad ones when they fail. And I am tired of the generalisation that white people are racists. Calling us racist, is racist in my opinion. In the New South Africa, being a white person in a majority black country, I can blame racism as well for everything that has gone wrong in my life. But instead I choose to look inward and analyse what it is that I have done wrong and how I can save the situation instead of blaming other people. It's not going to help much anyway, it will just make it worse.
Some of my best students have been black and I still keep in touch with them. They are all doing well and are very happy. Because they worked hard for it like everybody else who has succeeded. Do your time, and you will get your reward. Nobody said it would be easy! I'm sure that there are still some biased and racist people in the industry, but jumping on the "race" wagon all the time actually makes it worse. People are pleasantly surprised and often change their opinions when you keep at it and prove them wrong. Without making a big fuss of it. Always stay professional, people will see that and respect you for it.
I'm sure many good potential pilots apply to cadet schemes all over the world, but not all of them can make it! When you are a sponsored student, your selection never really stops. So if they need to drop 40% of the guys during PPL training, that is still another phase of selection. No better way to see if someone can fly, than by letting them actually have a go at it. Like I said earlier, being an academic does not mean you will be a good pilot. And unfortunately the academic side is what is tested most in selection processes. Only once the training starts, can it really be seen who has good motor skills, awareness, decision-making, assertiveness, command, etc. I can imagine this 40% cut in students would be enforced by the airline and not by the training school. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise. The school would obviously like as many students as possible to remain with them.
Cadets should guard against making the mistake of thinking that once they have been chosen to go the flying school, that that is it! It's not the end, it is only the beginning. Maybe you pass your comm and then not pass your selection at the airways afterwards? It is a continuous selection process. And they pay for it. It is not someone's right to get the training, it is a priviledge.
When it comes to the training file issue - I'm sure Kenya airways has access to that file as they are the client and i'm pretty sure they look through those files every time they visit the school to see how everyone is doing. The reason that they probably do not want to release the file to the student, is that they have a specialised training layout (or so I have heard) and would not like the rest of South Africa's flying training establishments to get their hands on it if you go there with your file. You should have all the hours flown and exercises done in your logbook. What more do you need when you go to a different flying school? Wouldn't you like them to start you off on a clean page without being influenced by someone else's opinion that they've read?
MusaQ and all other flying students -
I hope that if flying is your passion, you will sit down and rethink how much you want to be a pilot and how you can change your approach to the training. Remember, we cannot control the things outside, but we can control ourselves and how we handle it and feel about it. Flying is all about confidence. And you are the one who has to work on that aspect. I know it is hard when it looks like all the odds are against you, but it is a tough world in aviation out there and you will have to fly with lots of people who will make you feel inferior and useless. That is just the way it is... and in the end it makes you stronger. The training is not for sissy's and you will have to toughen up and take control. It will prepare you for the even tougher world out there. They train you to be, ultimately one day, the captain of an airliner. This is a huge responsibility, and sadly we have recently had a tragedy close to home that made all of us once again realise how huge that responsibility is. In order to make it as a pilot, you need to display that you will not let stress get the better of you. Don't allow yourself to feel intimidated. Because that is something you will encounter throughout your career. Stop thinking that everyone is out to get you - paranoia will not help with your already stressful training situation - and just do your best. If you really want to be a pilot, you will find a way to do it. Lots of guys out there struggle to pay for the licence, but after the long struggle comes the reward. Best of luck to you, never give up.
I really hope we can put this thread to rest now
I'm afraid, having been an instructor, it is quite common for students to think that if they are academically strong, they will be good pilots. Unfortunately this is not necessarily the case.
Lack of command and awareness is usually the main reason why students get washed in the early stages of flying. When something goes wrong or you make a mistake, we want to see that you do something about it. Because they had done so well in the ground school, some clever individuals usually have difficulty understanding why they got washed. You can be a rocket scientist but not have what it takes to be a good pilot. Some students are brilliant when it comes to the theory, but when it comes to applying it and doing the practical side of things, they just don't cope. You can learn all about an aeroplane, but that will not make you a pilot. Passing all your subjects first time does not mean all that much when it comes to the flying. If a student does not take control of the aircraft and whichever situation they find themselves in, they cannot be sent solo. It is not in their best interest either as they may kill themselves.
I don't think any instructor wants someone to fail. You put all that sweat and blood into that person's training and more than anything, you want them to pass. And not just pass, but be the best! My work is my pride! And your students reflect on you and how well you are doing your job. I have never ever ever treated my private students differently to any sponsored students. I trained them all the same. And explained things over and over and over if it was needed. No matter who they were. They are all students to me, no difference. Howcome we are not getting this type of complaint from the private students? And in SA there are many private students of colour! In many of the flying schools. It is funny how students are so good when they pass, but the instructors are the bad ones when they fail. And I am tired of the generalisation that white people are racists. Calling us racist, is racist in my opinion. In the New South Africa, being a white person in a majority black country, I can blame racism as well for everything that has gone wrong in my life. But instead I choose to look inward and analyse what it is that I have done wrong and how I can save the situation instead of blaming other people. It's not going to help much anyway, it will just make it worse.
Some of my best students have been black and I still keep in touch with them. They are all doing well and are very happy. Because they worked hard for it like everybody else who has succeeded. Do your time, and you will get your reward. Nobody said it would be easy! I'm sure that there are still some biased and racist people in the industry, but jumping on the "race" wagon all the time actually makes it worse. People are pleasantly surprised and often change their opinions when you keep at it and prove them wrong. Without making a big fuss of it. Always stay professional, people will see that and respect you for it.
I'm sure many good potential pilots apply to cadet schemes all over the world, but not all of them can make it! When you are a sponsored student, your selection never really stops. So if they need to drop 40% of the guys during PPL training, that is still another phase of selection. No better way to see if someone can fly, than by letting them actually have a go at it. Like I said earlier, being an academic does not mean you will be a good pilot. And unfortunately the academic side is what is tested most in selection processes. Only once the training starts, can it really be seen who has good motor skills, awareness, decision-making, assertiveness, command, etc. I can imagine this 40% cut in students would be enforced by the airline and not by the training school. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise. The school would obviously like as many students as possible to remain with them.
Cadets should guard against making the mistake of thinking that once they have been chosen to go the flying school, that that is it! It's not the end, it is only the beginning. Maybe you pass your comm and then not pass your selection at the airways afterwards? It is a continuous selection process. And they pay for it. It is not someone's right to get the training, it is a priviledge.
When it comes to the training file issue - I'm sure Kenya airways has access to that file as they are the client and i'm pretty sure they look through those files every time they visit the school to see how everyone is doing. The reason that they probably do not want to release the file to the student, is that they have a specialised training layout (or so I have heard) and would not like the rest of South Africa's flying training establishments to get their hands on it if you go there with your file. You should have all the hours flown and exercises done in your logbook. What more do you need when you go to a different flying school? Wouldn't you like them to start you off on a clean page without being influenced by someone else's opinion that they've read?
MusaQ and all other flying students -
I hope that if flying is your passion, you will sit down and rethink how much you want to be a pilot and how you can change your approach to the training. Remember, we cannot control the things outside, but we can control ourselves and how we handle it and feel about it. Flying is all about confidence. And you are the one who has to work on that aspect. I know it is hard when it looks like all the odds are against you, but it is a tough world in aviation out there and you will have to fly with lots of people who will make you feel inferior and useless. That is just the way it is... and in the end it makes you stronger. The training is not for sissy's and you will have to toughen up and take control. It will prepare you for the even tougher world out there. They train you to be, ultimately one day, the captain of an airliner. This is a huge responsibility, and sadly we have recently had a tragedy close to home that made all of us once again realise how huge that responsibility is. In order to make it as a pilot, you need to display that you will not let stress get the better of you. Don't allow yourself to feel intimidated. Because that is something you will encounter throughout your career. Stop thinking that everyone is out to get you - paranoia will not help with your already stressful training situation - and just do your best. If you really want to be a pilot, you will find a way to do it. Lots of guys out there struggle to pay for the licence, but after the long struggle comes the reward. Best of luck to you, never give up.
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Again am forced to correct some presumptions.
JLo,
The wash out happened and I cant look back on that one. I choose to learn from it.I am glad that you make comments about academics. You seem to be well versed on the stereotyping that happens at 43.
True it doesnt but it also doesnt afford another the opportunity to rubbish a student's hard work into passing the exams and accuse them of being an "all brainer". That's what exams are for - to be passed and if on first attempt the better. We can not choose to find fault in everything!!
Therein lies your answer if you look closely enough.
Well it doesnt make sense either way. The wash out should be incidental and not predetermined. It wouldnt make sense if an airline would demand 40% cut from 43 and almost 0% from another institution that it sends its cadets to.
I am all for the wash out if necessary. Others have gone ahead to get their licences in other flying institutions successfully meeting the same standards - that in itself says a lot.
Therein lies your answer again. In a wicked business sense of course. Somebody explained it earlier.
That's a new twist to it. Contention was not on taking the file to another training institution, it was on making it available to the sponsor for the 'exit' interview of a washed cadet. The okes at 43 selectively highlight the 'not so good' flights and exaggerate them to paint a picture only known to them and the rest of the flights are pushed to oblivion. Given that their opinions are formed from what they read in the file and decisions made on theoretical presumptions then it is only fair that the sponsor be given the same chance to form his opinion on what he reads from the same complete file. The student report simply highlights 'what is not' and disregards 'what is'. If a concurrency of opinion would be reached by both parties given all the information then who is to cry foul. That's professionalism for me.
On a personal level, part of my stay at 43 was the lowest point in my life so far. I've never felt so beat down and abused, chided for no apparent reason, confidence beaten down to a pulp - all this from the person meant to guide and form pilots to the surprise of other cadets and instructor. Knowing what I know now, I wouldnt take up a position at 43 and if I did I definetly wouldnt live through the bashing and derision of an individual with a presumptive mind who would foment charges and make sure the tussle is long drawn to inflict the most pain. Then grin with contentment. I wouldnt offer him that satisfaction. I offer The next guy the info to tread wisely and know when the psychological games start he can opt to walk with his dignity intact.
Nevertheless I did meet some impeccable individuals.
Like I said, I choose to learn from it. It has shaped me.
All the best.
JLo,
The wash out happened and I cant look back on that one. I choose to learn from it.I am glad that you make comments about academics. You seem to be well versed on the stereotyping that happens at 43.
Passing all your subjects first time does not mean all that much when it comes to the flying.
Howcome we are not getting this type of complaint from the private students?
I can imagine this 40% cut in students would be enforced by the airline and not by the training school. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.
I am all for the wash out if necessary. Others have gone ahead to get their licences in other flying institutions successfully meeting the same standards - that in itself says a lot.
The school would obviously like as many students as possible to remain with them.
The reason that they probably do not want to release the file to the student, is that they have a specialised training layout (or so I have heard) and would not like the rest of South Africa's flying training establishments to get their hands on it if you go there with your file.
On a personal level, part of my stay at 43 was the lowest point in my life so far. I've never felt so beat down and abused, chided for no apparent reason, confidence beaten down to a pulp - all this from the person meant to guide and form pilots to the surprise of other cadets and instructor. Knowing what I know now, I wouldnt take up a position at 43 and if I did I definetly wouldnt live through the bashing and derision of an individual with a presumptive mind who would foment charges and make sure the tussle is long drawn to inflict the most pain. Then grin with contentment. I wouldnt offer him that satisfaction. I offer The next guy the info to tread wisely and know when the psychological games start he can opt to walk with his dignity intact.
Nevertheless I did meet some impeccable individuals.
Like I said, I choose to learn from it. It has shaped me.
All the best.
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Realisations
Fact is, the "sponsor" sends "cadets" (whom they believe to be fit and suitable for pilot training after a rigorous selection process) to a flying training school to train, teach and shape such cadets into well-rounded, fully capable qualified commercial pilots
The fact that the students are preselected and have a higher chance of succeeding is enough against such rubbish talk of a 40% wash rate. Funny bit is that the Private sponsored students who are not subjected to any pre-selection have an almost 100% pass rate is pathetic and yet they dont take longer. Bias for everyone to see!!! Logic puts it that you are more likely to drop students from a group that has had no pre-selection than the one that has had one. Plain and simple. 40%:1% is too big a disparity! Wake up and smell the coffee and let's call what happens at 43 for what it is. Some have taken the attitude akin to: 'it may be a "shaggy" dog, but it's our dog'.
I stand to be corrected but I heard SAA cadets had similar sh1t happening and SAA stamped its foot down and the crap stopped. That energy is now directed to...... you guessed it.
Students have talked of instructors hell bent on making sure they get washed and do everything short of admitting it by mouth. Where's the priority - train or wash?And for crying out loud if you wash a cadet be brave enough to state why? The training file is a good starting point where progress can be clearly seen. A favourite of 43 is to change Instructors for a student every other lesson to confuse him/her and then brandish the wash card from the blues. Funny bit, even though this is known to have major implications on a student's training it never appears in the infamous report. It's a good cover up. If a student is truly weak why bother to hide the training file - facts should be able to speak for themselves.And let's not kid ourselves about flying being 'in the blood'. Taking a decision to pursue aviation is commitment and to take the dream further to a flying institution is part realisation but to be denied that chance because of prejudice is inhuman.
Me thinks private student = money for the school and if I mistreat them there will be no more of those. My bad! I'll treat them well.
Sponsored student = company and company = money. The dimwit doesnt pay me, the company does. All I have to do is present a pretty face to the company that all is going on well but down here pick on a few nut cases to bash. Play these against the rest -"all the others are doing ok but you". It's a win win situation for me - I pretend to enforce high standards while the company will replace the washed cadets and that's more $$$. Ching!$$ It's a psychological thriller! An art perfected by the fixed wing chaps. Rotor guys have no problems or so I heard. They have a better chap who's beyond this prejudice packaged as 'high standards'.
That's my take.
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Where there is smoke , there is fire...most definately
Judging from the comments made in this forum and other related articles about 43rd, we all can't go around bashing some one for his sincerity. Well, I once wanted to join this so called 43rd air school but opted for a training facility somewhere in Texas. Well ,racism is still very much alive and unfortunately ....majority bashing the kid about this matter have never been victim so such. Been in the good old U.S.A and been one. At the same South Africa still is scared with racism issues to which are there to stay. Sorry my Kenyan brother....you just happened to be one who got the racism sting while others in the lot are in denial. Any day allegations such as racism come up.....they do hold water. So guyz, if you never been victim...especially our brothers of color...buckle up, thats a flu that is color biased !!!!
Judging from the comments made in this forum and other related articles about 43rd, we all can't go around bashing some one for his sincerity. Well, I once wanted to join this so called 43rd air school but opted for a training facility somewhere in Texas. Well ,racism is still very much alive and unfortunately ....majority bashing the kid about this matter have never been victim so such. Been in the good old U.S.A and been one. At the same South Africa still is scared with racism issues to which are there to stay. Sorry my Kenyan brother....you just happened to be one who got the racism sting while others in the lot are in denial. Any day allegations such as racism come up.....they do hold water. So guyz, if you never been victim...especially our brothers of color...buckle up, thats a flu that is color biased !!!!
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Well my suticase man.....
All am trying to say is that tyhe young man has more ballas than you to call a spade as spade and not a big spoon. Sorry, I didn't take your lunch money either. Be a victim of what the kid is talking about then you might understand how that
feels ....comprende amigo ??
All am trying to say is that tyhe young man has more ballas than you to call a spade as spade and not a big spoon. Sorry, I didn't take your lunch money either. Be a victim of what the kid is talking about then you might understand how that
feels ....comprende amigo ??
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suitcase,
Easy for you to say -'get over it'? Is that part admission that racism is rife at 43 and that we should find a way to accept it. Clearly you be no victim. YOU GET OVER IT. And yes this is an aviation forum where an aviation institution is charged with practising prejudice. Or are aviators immune to it? If something is gnawing at your conscience it probably is true. Wishing it away aint gonna solve it.
Is this comprehensible? Tell them simba.
Easy for you to say -'get over it'? Is that part admission that racism is rife at 43 and that we should find a way to accept it. Clearly you be no victim. YOU GET OVER IT. And yes this is an aviation forum where an aviation institution is charged with practising prejudice. Or are aviators immune to it? If something is gnawing at your conscience it probably is true. Wishing it away aint gonna solve it.
Is this comprehensible? Tell them simba.
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Mr Suitcase man......
You sound like another coward who can not stomach reality when it hits home. Well I thought this forum talks about anything and everything in aviation and that includes the "bug" that is yet to byte and squeeze the living hell out of you ...possibly one day you will wake up your sleezy behind and realize some people live in the real world where racism is still a factor in life. Sorry....here two hawaii shirts for your suitcase ...leave your attitude at the door before you join this forum next time and pick it up on your way out
You sound like another coward who can not stomach reality when it hits home. Well I thought this forum talks about anything and everything in aviation and that includes the "bug" that is yet to byte and squeeze the living hell out of you ...possibly one day you will wake up your sleezy behind and realize some people live in the real world where racism is still a factor in life. Sorry....here two hawaii shirts for your suitcase ...leave your attitude at the door before you join this forum next time and pick it up on your way out
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oooohhhh I shiver in me boots....
The kenyans are angry.
You have been told suitcase man - now go leave your shirt at the attitude before the forum enters through the door >> or something might pick you out?
huh, whatever
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The kenyans are angry.
You have been told suitcase man - now go leave your shirt at the attitude before the forum enters through the door >> or something might pick you out?
huh, whatever
:z zz:
Está servira para distraerle.
Please do not degrade the Spanish forum. Those who speak Castilian well are at least adept at the usage of the subjunctive tenses, a facet of grammar lost on today's gabblers of what passes for English amongst the chattering and colonial classes.
The English have, for centuries, referred to a Spaniard as a Dago. This is not a pejorative word but rather an abbreviation of Diego or James. In similar vein might the Englishman call the German Fritz or the German call the Englishman Henry.
perhaps worse, who knows after Dresden? The Spaniard has always been rather better balanced than most Europeans in his racial outlook, if not perhaps historically in his religious one. This is perhaps due to the cultural glories of architecture and intellect bestowed upon their peninsular by the Moors of northern Africa, traditions which, most regrettably, have not been handed down inherent within the teachings of their own kind. So much then for the beneficial influence of the slave trade upon north Africa, with which non sequitur one shall close this little prose passage which bears as much relation to the original post as much else that has been written here before.
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sweatcase,
You dont cease to amaze me. Yes I have seen your advice and how you took the opprtunity to level you own rants of racism against SAA. Your attention should be focussed to such rants The score seems to be settled in every SAA thread where the canoe sh1t is 'copy - pasted' to rally God knows what. Disrespect has been shown to an African head of state and spouse (NO AVIATION CONTENT) and the chest thumping and laughter. No you aint commenting there! Anybody can see through all these. Instead you choose to mudsling here to reduce this thread to some racial rants because you feel hurt. Oh, dont you wish you had administrator rights to bin it. That way, only you can be the victim (against SAA in your rants in countless threads and bob whenever possible) - No one else.
As we are wont to say "...are you threatening this commission?..."
- ooh, the venom in that.
And by the way in Africa we dont pride ourselves in speaking faultless English. Pidgin and other adaptations will suffice. Anything to lessen the scar of colonialism. Proper comunication with ATC is all I need.
This is an AFRICAN AVIATION forum where we can ALL air our views on aviation. Racism encountered is part of that. Dont reduce this to a class forum where only the likes of you can 'speak' and anything else is rubbish. Show some character now! Spanish forum????? That is sooo .....(CANT find a word).
Chui could mentor you despite his skewed views and racial rants cleverly concealed in some form of ENGLISH. If you have nothing to say refrain from showing wordy evidence of it here. You have the choice. Denial aint gonna get you anywhere.
Dont thank me for the advice yet, just returning a favour.!!! ANything for a brother. As for this thread I'll be glad to post any new stuff I hear. That's my right. Same as yours I hope. Be well.
You dont cease to amaze me. Yes I have seen your advice and how you took the opprtunity to level you own rants of racism against SAA. Your attention should be focussed to such rants The score seems to be settled in every SAA thread where the canoe sh1t is 'copy - pasted' to rally God knows what. Disrespect has been shown to an African head of state and spouse (NO AVIATION CONTENT) and the chest thumping and laughter. No you aint commenting there! Anybody can see through all these. Instead you choose to mudsling here to reduce this thread to some racial rants because you feel hurt. Oh, dont you wish you had administrator rights to bin it. That way, only you can be the victim (against SAA in your rants in countless threads and bob whenever possible) - No one else.
As we are wont to say "...are you threatening this commission?..."
Those who speak Castilian well are at least adept at the usage of the subjunctive tenses, a facet of grammar lost on today's gabblers of what passes for English amongst the chattering and colonial classes
And by the way in Africa we dont pride ourselves in speaking faultless English. Pidgin and other adaptations will suffice. Anything to lessen the scar of colonialism. Proper comunication with ATC is all I need.
This is an AFRICAN AVIATION forum where we can ALL air our views on aviation. Racism encountered is part of that. Dont reduce this to a class forum where only the likes of you can 'speak' and anything else is rubbish. Show some character now! Spanish forum????? That is sooo .....(CANT find a word).
Chui could mentor you despite his skewed views and racial rants cleverly concealed in some form of ENGLISH. If you have nothing to say refrain from showing wordy evidence of it here. You have the choice. Denial aint gonna get you anywhere.
Dont thank me for the advice yet, just returning a favour.!!! ANything for a brother. As for this thread I'll be glad to post any new stuff I hear. That's my right. Same as yours I hope.
Be well.
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Apology accepted and gratitude to my advice is welcome. It is refreshing to read your cynical post without the 'bin this thread' rant that has been synonimous with you. Me no smoke and no have extra shirt for you. I'll ask around though if you insist.
Je "Darth Vader" ina maana ya kuwa wewe mi nguruwe mwitu? Mmhh...
To matters concerning topic at hand please.
Apology accepted and gratitude to my advice is welcome. It is refreshing to read your cynical post without the 'bin this thread' rant that has been synonimous with you. Me no smoke and no have extra shirt for you. I'll ask around though if you insist.
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Seems like I missed a post. That's an 'impressive' CV you got there suitcase - 2 black friends and met one the other day. Ha.. No comment. It's cracking me up.
Anyone know of any flying schools in Malaysia? Am keen on what they have to offer. Grapevine connection.
Anyone know of any flying schools in Malaysia? Am keen on what they have to offer. Grapevine connection.