Shocking Atns Service Yesterday?
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bhahaha
That very large tea room I sit in all day burns less on the ground that it does tooling around at 25 miles on finals. Its that global warming thing again.
I am firm believer in not telling others how to do there jobs, but get the feeling that u guys are too busy 'with the big picture' than punishing tar. I have been doing 50 take off and landings a month, for the last decade.
Again, this is NOT the blame game, if u boys and girls need more eyes in the glass cage on the pole, then employ them!!!
Agreed that ORTIA has some particular challanges due to its good old SAR&H railway station history. But time has come to make it work!!!
I acknowledge that your remarks are in good spirt, but the sentiment is wrong, my airline pays ur salary, i have every right to bitch about the service your company provides or give me the freq of the other service provider.
This is NOT an US vs YOU GUYS thing. Lets make this work, u move more metal, u make more loot, we make more money, we get more loot. Lets look for the win/win here.
I am firm believer in not telling others how to do there jobs, but get the feeling that u guys are too busy 'with the big picture' than punishing tar. I have been doing 50 take off and landings a month, for the last decade.
Again, this is NOT the blame game, if u boys and girls need more eyes in the glass cage on the pole, then employ them!!!
Agreed that ORTIA has some particular challanges due to its good old SAR&H railway station history. But time has come to make it work!!!
I acknowledge that your remarks are in good spirt, but the sentiment is wrong, my airline pays ur salary, i have every right to bitch about the service your company provides or give me the freq of the other service provider.
This is NOT an US vs YOU GUYS thing. Lets make this work, u move more metal, u make more loot, we make more money, we get more loot. Lets look for the win/win here.
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an old bold aviator once said, "are we up here cos you guys are down there, or are you down there cos we are up here?????"
remarks like the ones anatc2 made make me wonder whom is where cos of whom.
you werent perhaps trained by the second best ATC`s in world were you, namely CPT.
remarks like the ones anatc2 made make me wonder whom is where cos of whom.
you werent perhaps trained by the second best ATC`s in world were you, namely CPT.
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Also please remember that unless you are an aircraft owner, which pays the bills, then you are in fact not the ATC customer!!! You are merely the employee of the customer much as the ATC is the employee of the service provider!!!
Please don't stop throwing your stones...just throw them in the right direction is all I ask??
Please don't stop throwing your stones...just throw them in the right direction is all I ask??
But you are right. I can see that the attempt to solve this in an informal manner is a waste of time. From now on crappy ATC service will be followed by a phonecall to Boni Dibate. There are some advantages to knowing her from her SAX days.
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Reading this whole sorry saga of a post just cements the decision to abandon the good ship ATNS. Not just from the quality of people and service that gets churned out but also the incessant whinging that takes place on a daily basis. Pilots complain about crappy service and ATCs complain about crappy pilots. Round and round we go with no end in sight to this perpetual orgy of moaning.
I have made my views clear in the past on how to solve the problem from ATC side. As for the users of the service one of two choices:
1. Shut up and suck it up.
2. Do something constructive AND effective. e.g. Create an escrow fund into which ATNS fees are deposited and only to be paid out when a commitment to better service can be secured. It works when you do it correctly/legally.
All said and done one has to keep in mind that traffic is ever increasing and the good ol' days of Dct no speed (
) Rwy03L is maybe gone forever.
We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons in the sun.....
I have made my views clear in the past on how to solve the problem from ATC side. As for the users of the service one of two choices:
1. Shut up and suck it up.
2. Do something constructive AND effective. e.g. Create an escrow fund into which ATNS fees are deposited and only to be paid out when a commitment to better service can be secured. It works when you do it correctly/legally.
All said and done one has to keep in mind that traffic is ever increasing and the good ol' days of Dct no speed (
) Rwy03L is maybe gone forever.We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons in the sun.....
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Isn't crappy service a bit like a hot woman? It's in the eye of the behold-her. A call to Bonni will serve absolutely no purpose. Everything after "Good evening" will be passing FL330 with a good rate of climb.
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ATNS = All Tariffs NO Service.
Complaining to Bonni Dibate, GOOD LUCK!!!!
For the ATC's if you give me a slot time, is that the landing time in JNB, my time over the entry beacon or time for JSV in event of radio failure??What does the following clearance mean "route ESTED to HOLD , NO delay expected!!
Please help me out of my misery.
Complaining to Bonni Dibate, GOOD LUCK!!!!
For the ATC's if you give me a slot time, is that the landing time in JNB, my time over the entry beacon or time for JSV in event of radio failure??What does the following clearance mean "route ESTED to HOLD , NO delay expected!!
Please help me out of my misery.
