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Old 10th Jan 2006, 09:50
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Thumbs down Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President (English versions added)

Die onlangse vakansie van die adjunkpresident van Suid-Afrika, me. Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, en haar gesin het die land se belastingbetalers derduisende rande uit die sak gejaag.
Mlambo-Ngcuka, haar man, mnr. Bulelani Ngcuka, en hul kinders het in Desember in Aboe Dhabi in die Verenigde Arabiese Emirate gaan vakansie hou met een van die lugmag se BBP-vliegtuie.
Die koste van só ’n vlug word volgens kenners op sowat R384 000 geraam, en dít net vir die brandstof. Die vlugbemanning en lyfwagte se buitelandse toelaes en verblyf, landingsheffings en oorvlugmagtigingsonkoste is nié by dié bedrag ingereken nie.
Mlambo-Ngcuka het, na verneem word, vir die vlug gebruik gemaak van die Falcon 900, die lugmag se nommer-twee-BBP-vliegtuig naas die Boeing-straler wat gewoonlik deur pres. Thabo Mbeki gebruik word.

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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

Amazing how all the top gravy trainers are related to each other...

Nepotism? Us?
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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

Thats a little harsh. Millions of rands have been saved since the health minister dishes out vitimins now instead of AIDS medicine that would cost soooooooooo much more. Cost saving measures in the government departments have worked so well that the coffers are overflowing. It is a security risk to have that money lying about on the floor.

Since the money needs to be spent somewhere, a good holiday allways worked for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps, next year if she schedules her holiday better, she can use the BBJ.
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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

About all that money that's floating around, what about the departments that have underspent on their budgets with millions, nay, squillions left in the coffers. Theres all that cash available too and if not spent the currently disadvantaged might start bleating about tax cuts. But then maybe not too much noise must be made about this as the next thing the old Pres. will be flitting around in something bigger than the BBJ and the deputy will have the BBJ.
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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

It's been said before but there is absolutely no point in having power if you can't abuse it...

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Nuts? You here again!?

Clockwork Orange! Now that made more real-life sense than I ever imagined is possible to read here on the pprune!

Time is .....reaching!
It's just a jump to the left! And then a step to the right, put your hands on your hips.....Let's,- do,- the time,- walk, again.

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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

Found the English one...

Govt carries can for Phumzile
10/01/2006 22:52 - (SA)

Erika Gibson, Beeld


Pretoria - The government takes full responsibility for providing transport
and security to the president and deputy-president - irrespective of whether
they are on official or private trips.

This was the reaction on Tuesday of presidency spokesperson Murphy Morobe to
the trip deputy president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka and her family took, which
cost taxpayers about R400 000.

Mlambo-Ngcuka, husband Bulelani and their children were on holiday from
December 27 to 31 in the United Arab Emirates.

An air force Falcon 900 jet, one of the VIP planes used for the government's
official trips, was used for transporting the group.

The operational cost of the flight is calculated at about R400 000.

Morobe said the requirements for transporting the president and deputy
president were determined on the basis of safety, cost and convenience.

"In this case, the deputy president was advised that the safety prerequisite
could best be provided by an air force plane," said Morobe.

Difficult to make a comparison

He added that these transport arrangements were part of the government's
practice - similar to the standard procedures that "are followed by many
governments throughout the world".

Dr Dirk Kotzé of the political science department at Unisa said it was
difficult to make such a comparison because few countries had a deputy
president, reports Liezel de Lange.

"Most have a president and a prime minister, and the latter is generally not
treated at the same level as a deputy president."

Most countries bear the transport costs of their head of state, such as when
President George Bush of the USA goes to Texas for a holiday. The USA also
has a vice-president who is treated similarly.

But, Kotzé pointed out that British Prime Minister Tony Blair seldom allowed
the government to pay for his holiday arrangements, and that he always flew
with the national airline.

In Kotzé's opinion, safety was a consideration in Mlambo-Ngcuka's holiday
arrangements, but "comfort" was not a convincing argument because she could
have flown business-class on a commercial airline.

"Purely from an ethical point of view, a distinction must be drawn between
private and official visits."

'Only for official flights'

Morobe said earlier that Mlambo-Ngcuka used the air force plane under the
provisions of the cabinet manual regarding transport allocated to her.

This manual on the ethical conduct of cabinet ministers states that air
force planes can be used only for official flights for the account of a
cabinet minister's department.

The prerequisites for such flights are that no commercial flights can give
the individual time for his official obligations, when the safety of the
individual requires it or when commercial flights are not cost-effective or
are not available.
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Thumbs down Vlug Was Teen Die Reëls

Kabinetslede mag lugmagvliegtuie nét vir amptelike vlugte vir die rekening van ’n kabinetslid se departement gebruik. Só lui die handleiding vir etiese gedrag van die kabinet.

Die voorvereistes vir sulke vlugte is dat daar nié kommersiële vlugte is wat die individu betyds tot by sy amptelike verpligtinge kan vervoer nie, wanneer die veiligheid van die individu dit vereis of wanneer kommersiële vlugte nie kostedoeltreffend of beskikbaar is nie.

Die regering aanvaar egter volle verantwoordelikheid vir die verskaffing van vervoer en veiligheid aan die president en adjunkpresident – ongeag of hulle op amptelike of private reise is.

Dít was gister die reaksie van mnr. Murphy Morobe, woordvoerder van die presidensie, op die reis van adj.pres. Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka en haar gesin wat belastingbetalers sowat R400 000 uit die sak gejaag het.

Mlambo-Ngcuka, haar man, Bulelani, en kinders was van 27 tot 31 Desember in Aboe Dhabi in die Verenigde Arabiese Emirate met vakansie. ’n Falcon 900-straler van die lugmag, een van die BBP-vliegtuie wat vir amptelike reise van die regering gebruik word, is gebruik om die groep te vervoer.

Die operasionele koste van die vlug word op sowat R400 000 gereken. Volgens Morobe word die vereistes vir die vervoer van die president en adjunkpresident op die grondslag van veiligheid, koste en gerief bepaal.

“In dié geval is die adjunkpresident geadviseer dat die voorvereiste van veiligheid die beste deur ’n weermagvliegtuig verskaf sou kon word,” het Morobe gesê.

Volgens hom is dié vervoerreëlings soortgelyk aan die standaardvoorskrifte wat “deur baie regerings regoor die wêreld gevolg word”.

Volgens dr. Dirk Kotzé van die departement politieke wetenskap aan Unisa is dit moeilik om só ’n vergelyking te tref omdat baie min lande ’n adjunkpresident het, berig Liezel de Lange.

“Die meeste het ’n president en premier, en laasgenoemde word oor die algemeen nie op dieselfde vlak as ’n adjunkpresident hanteer nie.”

Die meeste lande dra die vervoerkostes van hul staatshoof, soos wanneer pres. George W. Bush van die VSA Texas toe gaan vir vakansie. Die VSA het ook ’n visepresident wat op soortgelyke wyse hanteer word.

Kotzé wys egter daarop dat mnr. Tony Blair, die Britse premier, as staatshoof selde sy vakansiereëlings op staatskoste laat geskied en dat hy altyd met die nasionale lugdiens vlieg.

Wat Mlambo-Ngcuka se vakansiereëlings betref, meen Kotzé dat veiligheid ’n oorweging is, maar dat “gemak” nie ’n oortuigende argument is nie omdat sy besigheidsklas op ’n kommersiële lugdiens kon vlieg.

“Uit ’n suiwer etiese oogpunt moet daar ’n onderskeid getref word tussen private en amptelike besoeke.”

Morobe het vroeër gesê Mlambo-Ngcuka het die lugmagvliegtuig gebruik ingevolge die kabinetshandleiding se bepalings oor vervoer wat aan haar toegewys is.
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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

Problem being it's not the government carrying the can, it's the taxpayer.

As an aside, when last did anyone see a skinny politician in Africa (unless a slow puncture was involved), particularly a member of a ruling party. Snouts firmly wedged in the gravy trough....
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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

From behind the Gravy curtain

It's about the rest of the world's stupid passport control thing as soon as you disembark, anywhere outside Africa.

Matter of comfort, yes ask Winnie about Italian hospitality! Was the going to make money, or spend it in Italy? Seeing that the Italians picked the richest man in the country and made him the leader, they thought the money will be better distributed.

Luckily we have our very own foreign correspondant here on the pprune,

Riccardo.....report please!

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Afterburner: Did the taxpayers also cough up for the unscheduled flight from the states to the middle east around September 2001? Why all this fuss then?
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Well done ERIKA GIBSON for exposing this ... the more the better and hopefully the less it will become.

Wonder if Lucky was Dubed into a trip ?

Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka's family "gravy plane" holiday in Abu Dhabi would have cost the taxpayer at least R700 000, Democratic Alliance MP Gareth Morgan said on Tuesday.

He was reacting to a report that she and her family flew to the United Arab Emirates for a five-day holiday at the end of December on the SA Air Force Falcon 900 jet reserved for VIPs.

He said that given President Thabo Mbeki's commitment to root out corruption, it was "simply outrageous" that this had happened.

"The deputy president's use of the plane in such circumstances appears to be a violation of the rules of use of VIP planes and it at best constitutes a gross misjudgement on her behalf and at worst a possible act of corruption," he said.

He said a judging from a previous Falcon flight to Egypt, for which expenses were known, the UAR trip would have cost R384 000 for fuel and R325 000 for operating costs, handling fees and catering.

Frivolous spending of this nature was an insult to millions of people in South Africa who continued to live in grinding poverty.

Responding to media queries, the presidency confirmed in a statement that the deputy president undertook "a private visit" to the UAR from December 27 to 31.

"It is part of the convention and practice in government for the state to take full responsibility for the provision of transport and security for the president and deputy president — as well as all associated costs — irrespective of whether they are on official or private travels," the statement said.

The actual type of transport was determined on the basis of security, cost and convenience.

In this instance, Mlambo-Ngcuka was advised that security would be best served by using SA National Defence Force transport.

Such arrangements were standard procedure for many governments.

Spokesperson for the presidency Murphy Morobe confirmed that members of the deputy president's family had been with her on the trip.

He said it was "part of her vacation time".


http://iafrica.com/news/sa/282021.htm
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Frivolous spending of this nature.....an insult? Why? Perhaps that it's unfair? Perhaps that it's not "very" legal, perhaps that these members were democratically elected, by government, or the people they represent, the taxpayers and the rest.

Eisch, this deputy seat thing, methinks it's jinxed with attractive cheekên wings in a barrel. They should privatise the VIP airwing and recover the expenses by serving KFCheeckên onboard. PAP & SHEBA they can dish out for free!

Where did they stay, The Al-Bhuraq? (Off course I'm just green with envy!)
Look at Arnold, "hasta-la-vista, baby's", stiff upper-lip today, now that's what you get for paying the constituants lip-service......he, he!
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Um, ja......anyone surprised?? At least we find out about this case, but as for the rest, best we never know I suppose.

Take that you tax paying types.........Lucky i dont live in SA....I only go there on holiday every six weeks.

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It's a mind-set thing. Surely positive Saffers such as yourselves should not bemoan the lady her rich entitlements. Isnt this the kind of ecesses that Mystic Flyer has been lamenting on about for so long already? - before some pointed out that he merely has a bad attitude. Read the writing on the wall - never before has so few had much and somany so little.

Great improvement, and much to look forward to in the new SA.
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Lets see, R384000 drinking coupons worth of juice @ R4.69/litre (lanseria price for over border flights) = 81876.333 litres

Don't know much about the falcon but that sounds a bit heavy on gas...miskien is die ringe n bietjie klaar

someone tell those airforce boys that since we're paying for it they must fly 50 degrees lean of peak
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We did a trip for the goverment not so long ago into africa. Only 2 pax in the jet and they paid about R350 000!

You gotta love africa!
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Now the tax man has caught up with her ....

Deputy president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngquka might have to fork out thousands for her family's holiday in Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates.

Auditor Rudi van Zyl said this after the presidency acknowledged that the holiday flight in an air force VIP plane, was unofficial.

Van Zyl said that, in terms of the Income Tax Act, it was a taxable fringe benefit.

Van Zyl said section 8 of the Income Tax Act provided that government officials' travel allowances were exempt from tax - provided that it was undertaken for official purposes.

"As soon as travel becomes unofficial, but the employer still pays for it, the seventh schedule of the Act stipulates that it is no longer exempt from tax.

"This schedule also stipulates that the employer must recover in the same month (as the travel) the employee's tax (PAYE) from the public servant concerned, and pay it to the Receiver.

"Based on the deputy president's income, this tax amounts to 40% of the total expense, which - according to what's been learnt - would be about R400 000 in this case.

"So, the tax portion would be about R160 000."
Full Report : http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...861644,00.html
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Got a bridge to sell you if you believe anything like that is going to happen...

When the dust settles it'll go under the carpet along with all the other freebies.
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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

By Wendy Jasson da Costa

President Thabo Mbeki has been drawn into his deputy’s controversial private use of an SA Air Force Falcon 900 for an overseas holiday trip, with the Democratic Alliance calling for an investigation. Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka holidayed with her family in the United Arab Emirates between December 27 and 31.

The DA said the “shopping trip” had cost the taxpayer an estimated R700 000.

In a letter to Mbeki, DA spokesperson Gareth Morgan on Thursday wrote: “While it remains unclear whether SAAF aircraft are officially available for private trips by members of the executive, in the context of South Africa’s pressing development needs it would seem that expenditure of this nature is an unaffordable extravagance.”

'She doesn’t stop being deputy president when she is on holiday'
Morgan said the money spent on Mlambo-Ngcuka’s “gravy plane” could have been better spent on building houses and employing more policemen.

“I have therefore urged the president to launch a thorough investigation into this incident to determine whether there has been an abuse of taxpayers’ money. I have also urged the president to tighten up the regulations governing the use of SAAF jets so as to ensure that no member of the executive is allowed to use state resources for his or her own private purposes.”

Morgan said it was telling that a high-profile leader such as British Prime Minister Tony Blair used his country’s national carrier, and the state was not expected to pay for his holidays.

Earlier this week presidential spokesperson Murphy Morobe said: “It is part of the convention and practice in government for the state to take full responsibility for the provision of transport and security for the president and deputy president – as well as all associated costs – irrespective of whether they are on official or private travels.”

He said Mlambo-Ngcuka had been advised that the provision of her security would be best served through the use of SANDF transport. “She doesn’t stop being deputy president when she is on holiday. The associated risk is there all the time and therefore she will always be secured,” Morobe said.
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Re: Afrikaans : Soustrein vakansie vir Adj President

I would just love to know who or what the so called 'risk' is. No one wants to hurt you Pumzile.

Unless youre afraid of 'those we do not speak of', I know they are out there, they want to hurt me too, unfortunately I cant afford your kind of security, so I think they will get to me first. Lucky you.

Straightjackets ahoy
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