Superb B1900 Video in Africa!!!
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I DIG IT!
Whats the big deal - If Scully and his cronies can go waterskiing on the Vaal in an aircraft not certified for it.......
Right or wrong I think its cool - but unlikely that I would try it myself.
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Whats the big deal - If Scully and his cronies can go waterskiing on the Vaal in an aircraft not certified for it.......
Right or wrong I think its cool - but unlikely that I would try it myself.
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SIC sorry if I hit a raw nerve somwhere there I honestly did not mean to stir sh1t. My point was that its a different world in Africa, very harsh and often depressing conditions to work in sometimes you have to let off some steam. I mean nothing wrong with being a cadet, all I am saying is that if you have flown in africa you will understand, if you havent there is no way you could comprahend it. Imagine this is what those guys are going through- Not seeing family for perhaps years, not seeing a woman of their own race for a long time-let alone had a sh@g, landing somwhere and having guys run out of the bush, 15 year old kids high on drugs pointing machine guns at you, having to negotiate bribes everyday to get you and your aircraft out of deep poop, working in extreme wx, high temps, high stress approaches that you make up yourself, sometimes avoiding overflying some villages due to possible ground fire, no tv in your language or at all, no news from home for months, no internet or plush hotel rooms, constant threat to personal security this is just a start.........maybe now you can begin to understand why we sometimes let of some steam in this way. Man you could never understand until you have been to a departures "lounge" with bullet holes and scratches everywhere pools of blood and splashes of fresh blood on the walls, I can tell you boy you want to do a b roll after takeoff just to celebrate still being alive.
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Originally Posted by helldog
Man you could never understand until you have been to a departures "lounge" with bullet holes and scratches everywhere pools of blood and splashes of fresh blood on the walls, I can tell you boy you want to do a b roll after takeoff just to celebrate still being alive.
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Helldog I have no real issue with your statement - I purely refered to it to make my point. I am South African - lucky enought to never have flown contract but I have seen enough of africa to know what you are talking about. I also understand the sentiment of sometimes just wanting to do something exhilirating to celebrate your survival or break the monotony. I do long haul over oceans all the time and miss the days of smaller planes and more fun too.
But the fact is what this guy did is not acceptable and I just pointed out that something like this can haunt you for many years and screw up future opportunities if it comes out. I certainly won't admit to rolling transport aircraft - and definately wont publish it on the web!!
But the fact is what this guy did is not acceptable and I just pointed out that something like this can haunt you for many years and screw up future opportunities if it comes out. I certainly won't admit to rolling transport aircraft - and definately wont publish it on the web!!
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The same guy who did the video wrote:
Societe d'aviation d'affaire sub-saharienne recherche un pilote de
Beech 1900 avec 1500 TT, licence OACI, QT et medical a jour. Validation ZS- preferee. Bonnes conditions.
Meme compagnie recherche egalement un captain Challenger 601.
Envoyez vos candidatures avec CV a: ..........@...........
If you can't fly upside down please don't apply
Happy landing
Societe d'aviation d'affaire sub-saharienne recherche un pilote de
Beech 1900 avec 1500 TT, licence OACI, QT et medical a jour. Validation ZS- preferee. Bonnes conditions.
Meme compagnie recherche egalement un captain Challenger 601.
Envoyez vos candidatures avec CV a: ..........@...........
If you can't fly upside down please don't apply
Happy landing
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Like I said south coast, unless you have been there and have the t-shirt, dont try to understand. I just tried to give an insight to those that havent worked in the bush of Africa. Like I have said previously here I dont condone it but I do understand it. I am sure that very dude could slot in to Air France and stick to the rules and be totally pro. about it. The whole point I have been trying to make here is that that kind of stuff should not be done but I would not write that guy off or slag him in any way, after all I aint no angel.
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*quote*
Like I said south coast, unless you have been there and have the t-shirt, dont try to understand
sounds like a line out of a vietnam film, come on, be serious now.
i did contract flying in africa for 5 years and all of my friends did too, and neither me or any of them have ever said or done what you are saying.
the fact is, the kind of people who would roll the plane dont need the excusses you are offering to do it, no, they would do it in sa if they thought they could get away with it.
(even in this thread you have talk of people in 43 air school doing it in saratoga's, they are not under the pressures you describe?)
the only reason they do it while on tour is because they have a very good chance of not being found out!
read about the crew in europe who did some aerobatics in a g4 in the circuit, bizjet section, and explain that then, they were not flying on contract in africa with all the stuff you explained....
they just thought they could get away with it.
Like I said south coast, unless you have been there and have the t-shirt, dont try to understand
sounds like a line out of a vietnam film, come on, be serious now.
i did contract flying in africa for 5 years and all of my friends did too, and neither me or any of them have ever said or done what you are saying.
the fact is, the kind of people who would roll the plane dont need the excusses you are offering to do it, no, they would do it in sa if they thought they could get away with it.
(even in this thread you have talk of people in 43 air school doing it in saratoga's, they are not under the pressures you describe?)
the only reason they do it while on tour is because they have a very good chance of not being found out!
read about the crew in europe who did some aerobatics in a g4 in the circuit, bizjet section, and explain that then, they were not flying on contract in africa with all the stuff you explained....
they just thought they could get away with it.
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Hey there again south coast. I think there seems to be some missunderstanding here mate. I am in no way saying that this kind of stuff should go on. Lets see if I can be clear here, if that was my plane and my company and I found out about that the guy would be out. I am not saying you have done anything to this extreme or that I would. But what you have never kept low after take off and then pulled up at the end of the runway? Never flown over a camp just a few feet below 500? I mean these guys should keep their heads low, you would not want a potential employer to know that was you on the video. My point is dude I am not going to write this dude off. If you read what I said and then interpret it the way you did, yes you would be right, its a weak argument. But I am not saying that having a tough time is an excuse for this type of behaviour. What I am saying is that we all need to let off some steam from time to time, how you do that, well thats a different story...we are all different. Now as for the GIV dudes, well thats just crazy.
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I left East Africa in 96 after flying out there for 6 years to get a job with a Big Airline back here. Watching that video brings it all back and I would just like to say thanks for reviving some amazing memories!
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Barrel Roll??
Don't think so - just a cocked up straight roll - scooped, I would think a little too little speed to start with then too little rudder to finish it off as the speed blead off. A BARREL roll by definition passes through the horizon inverted 90 degrees from the original path before returning to the original flight path.
If its YOUR aeroplane and the guy next to you is willing to go with and happy to have a no payout insurance claim if it all goes t*ts up, then no problem. If its someone else's then maybe a bit irresponsible.
If its YOUR aeroplane and the guy next to you is willing to go with and happy to have a no payout insurance claim if it all goes t*ts up, then no problem. If its someone else's then maybe a bit irresponsible.
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SInce when does a barrel roll only pass through the top at 90*??? This must be a military thing.. SO I have been told by some SAAF Major.
The barrell roll looked pretty perfect" exjet", much along the line of the other rolls I have seen done, or been taught to do.
The only thing 90* at the top is the swing wing on your Puma, in relation to it's tail rotor!!!!
How does a Lear or your little Global Ranger roll Exjet?
The barrell roll looked pretty perfect" exjet", much along the line of the other rolls I have seen done, or been taught to do.
The only thing 90* at the top is the swing wing on your Puma, in relation to it's tail rotor!!!!
How does a Lear or your little Global Ranger roll Exjet?
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I have done barrel rolls as taught by an A10 driver/ Instructor, whilst flying in the US and as done by a SAAF old school Instructor, and although they differ from each, they were nothing like that, IMHO that was not a barrel rolls a$$,
but that is just my opinion
but that is just my opinion
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Barrel Roll
The Barrel Roll is a not competition maneuver. The barrel roll is a combination between a loop and a roll. You complete one loop while completing one roll at the same time. The flight path during a barrel roll has the shape of a horizontal cork screw. Imagine a big barrel, with the airplanes wheels rolling along the inside of the barrel in a cork screw path. During a barrel roll, the pilot experiences always positive G's. The maximum is about 2.5 to 3 G, the minimum about 0.5 G.
There are several ways to fly a barrel roll, but during an aerobatic ride, we'll use the following procedure:
From level flight, I'll pull the nose up smoothly but quickly to 45 degrees above the horizon. As the nose reaches the 45-degree point, I start a smooth roll (usually to the left) while gradually increasing the pull to start a loop. I continue the maneuver by using aileron, elevator, and rudder inputs to maintain a constant, smooth change in both pitch and roll. As we reach the inverted position at the top of the "loop," the wings should be level and the nose should be on the horizon, with our heading 90 degrees off our original direction. The maneuver continues with the nose falling through the horizon as the airplane keeps rolling back toward wings level. The barrel roll ends, like a loop, with the airplane returning to level flight on its original altitude and heading.
You can look around during a barrel roll, which ideally is a smooth, graceful maneuver. Enjoy the view as the world goes upside down, but make sure you look straight ahead as we fly through the top (inverted) portion of the maneuver. It's always cool to see "the earth above and the sky below."
Aileron rolls are flown with the rudder and elevator in the neutral position during the roll. The aileron is fully deflected in the direction of the roll. This is the easiest of the rolls to fly.
The aileron roll is started by pulling the nose up to 20 - 30 degrees above the horizon. The elevator is then neutralized and the aileron fully deflected in the direction of the roll. The controls are maintained in that position till the roll is completed. After the roll is completed the nose is usually 20 - 30 degrees below the horizon.
The aileron roll is not a competition maneuver.
NOW WAKE UP AND KNOW YOUR GEN IF YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS!!!
The Barrel Roll is a not competition maneuver. The barrel roll is a combination between a loop and a roll. You complete one loop while completing one roll at the same time. The flight path during a barrel roll has the shape of a horizontal cork screw. Imagine a big barrel, with the airplanes wheels rolling along the inside of the barrel in a cork screw path. During a barrel roll, the pilot experiences always positive G's. The maximum is about 2.5 to 3 G, the minimum about 0.5 G.
There are several ways to fly a barrel roll, but during an aerobatic ride, we'll use the following procedure:
From level flight, I'll pull the nose up smoothly but quickly to 45 degrees above the horizon. As the nose reaches the 45-degree point, I start a smooth roll (usually to the left) while gradually increasing the pull to start a loop. I continue the maneuver by using aileron, elevator, and rudder inputs to maintain a constant, smooth change in both pitch and roll. As we reach the inverted position at the top of the "loop," the wings should be level and the nose should be on the horizon, with our heading 90 degrees off our original direction. The maneuver continues with the nose falling through the horizon as the airplane keeps rolling back toward wings level. The barrel roll ends, like a loop, with the airplane returning to level flight on its original altitude and heading.
You can look around during a barrel roll, which ideally is a smooth, graceful maneuver. Enjoy the view as the world goes upside down, but make sure you look straight ahead as we fly through the top (inverted) portion of the maneuver. It's always cool to see "the earth above and the sky below."
Aileron rolls are flown with the rudder and elevator in the neutral position during the roll. The aileron is fully deflected in the direction of the roll. This is the easiest of the rolls to fly.
The aileron roll is started by pulling the nose up to 20 - 30 degrees above the horizon. The elevator is then neutralized and the aileron fully deflected in the direction of the roll. The controls are maintained in that position till the roll is completed. After the roll is completed the nose is usually 20 - 30 degrees below the horizon.
The aileron roll is not a competition maneuver.
NOW WAKE UP AND KNOW YOUR GEN IF YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS!!!
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Barrell roll or Aileron role I dont give a crap..... Its cool - Hats off to the guy!
A roll is a roll and I dig it! Whats all the pettiness and fighting about?
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A roll is a roll and I dig it! Whats all the pettiness and fighting about?
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