Superb B1900 Video in Africa!!!
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The G's are not my point. My point is that the aeroplane was not designed for aerobatics, what speed was the role done at? and how did the clever pilot calculate that speed, all aerobatic aeroplanes have design speeds for rolls, barrel rolls, loops etc. and I doubt very much whether a guy, dumb enough to roll a 1900 would be a disciplined aerobatics pilot. MHO
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Roll with the beech 1900?
Roll with the Beech 1900 ???.....and ??? what is the point on doing that ???..
Put it on your CV and you will see how many airline company will hire such pilot.
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Put it on your CV and you will see how many airline company will hire such pilot.
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http://www.aerodrome-gruyere.ch/blog...x.php?m=200603
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http://www.aerodrome-gruyere.ch/blog...x.php?m=200603
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The fact that there are ‘pilots’ arguing for the cause is concerning. Perhaps the age of professional pilots should be raised somewhat? Read the POH. What ever you hot shots might be thinking those limitations were put there for a reason by people more qualified than most on this forum. Airmanship boys, where’s it gone? Airpersonship is perhaps more correct today but that’s another topic!
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Although a PERFECTLY executed barrel roll might be at 1G. The point is that the aircraft was not designed to do such things.
Since we are operating outside of the design limitations of the aircraft what is the difference to overloading by 2000lbs or flying well past the barbers pole?
The other aspect is the fact that it is a 1900D. I doubt the EFIS gyro's were designed for inverted flight. The video doesn't show the crew fast erecting all their gyro's after the roll.
Since we are operating outside of the design limitations of the aircraft what is the difference to overloading by 2000lbs or flying well past the barbers pole?
The other aspect is the fact that it is a 1900D. I doubt the EFIS gyro's were designed for inverted flight. The video doesn't show the crew fast erecting all their gyro's after the roll.
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no good
Gotta say that this is concerning.
Who says that, that roll we saw was executed at 1g?
Considering the oke didn't roll out correctly it probably
wasn't and hence he is new in rolling aeries with no
experience at all in aerobatics.
Do whatever aeros you want, just don't put me in
the aerie with ya
Who says that, that roll we saw was executed at 1g?
Considering the oke didn't roll out correctly it probably
wasn't and hence he is new in rolling aeries with no
experience at all in aerobatics.
Do whatever aeros you want, just don't put me in
the aerie with ya
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Originally Posted by oompilot
The fact that there are ‘pilots’ arguing for the cause is concerning.
Great videos...
Edited to add: btw, all gyros on the 1900D are solid-state (i.e. no moving part), except for the standby horizon.
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of course we "barrel-roll supporters" understand that aerials are not to be done in an plane not made for this.but we are arguing why 1G is different from 1G. gyros left aside.
do you guys lean sideways when making a turn with your bicycles? i'm just not sure if the frame is made to take G's from the side....!
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Originally Posted by FCS Explorer
ok,ok, but can you give a sensible explanation why "normal 1G" is different from "barrel roll 1G"??
Normal professional pilots r not trained for that, unlike you cowboys who bend the wings and then put other pilots life in danger when they fly the aeroplanes after you...........
You a commercial pilot, act like one!!!!
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I agree, no matter who did it, I would not like to be the next to fly the bird (ever...)
Just another question, by the looks of the video, the aircraft was also probably not higher than about 2000ft agl when the maneouvre was performed..
Another question (for those who are supporting this):
Do you guys also do Full Spins with the 1900 and if not, why not?
The POH states that it is also not certified for this (as is the Barrel Roll).
But hey, if I try hard to think back at basic aero'd, the structural loading on the airframe during the spin is also very little, as the aircraft is not even producing proper Lift. So, if you do a gently pull out of the dive, would you spin it?
I think not...
Just another question, by the looks of the video, the aircraft was also probably not higher than about 2000ft agl when the maneouvre was performed..
Another question (for those who are supporting this):
Do you guys also do Full Spins with the 1900 and if not, why not?
The POH states that it is also not certified for this (as is the Barrel Roll).
But hey, if I try hard to think back at basic aero'd, the structural loading on the airframe during the spin is also very little, as the aircraft is not even producing proper Lift. So, if you do a gently pull out of the dive, would you spin it?
I think not...
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you guys just don't get it.
no one is saying "do aerobatics in an aircraft not certified"
i'm just saying:" if the 1G vector is going out along the z-axis, does it matter where the blue and brown on the horizon is?"
it's a simple question. and since u don't get it, i wonder who the pro is.
besides: stopping a spin takes high load on the rudder. now THATS putting stress on the airframe.
no one is saying "do aerobatics in an aircraft not certified"
i'm just saying:" if the 1G vector is going out along the z-axis, does it matter where the blue and brown on the horizon is?"
it's a simple question. and since u don't get it, i wonder who the pro is.
besides: stopping a spin takes high load on the rudder. now THATS putting stress on the airframe.
I think you've got a point there. But who's to say that a perfect 1G was pulled all around with no lateral movement. What are the chances? Bob Hoover - maybe. You and the rest of the planet - highly unlikely.
It was a stupid thing to do, and all arguments trying to support it are just plain brainless. Period.
Whoever did that must have rocks in their head and wooden balls - pretty brainless thing to do in my opinion, and the pilot should be given a broomstick to fly in future rather...
It was a stupid thing to do, and all arguments trying to support it are just plain brainless. Period.
Whoever did that must have rocks in their head and wooden balls - pretty brainless thing to do in my opinion, and the pilot should be given a broomstick to fly in future rather...
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Unless the pilot was Bob Hoover, I reckon the chances of that aircraft being bent now are pretty high
Safety factors aside, it’s a great flying video and I would love the opportunity to fly turboprops in Africa.
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Thank you Twotter,
It's only taken 4 pages for these "experts" to debate something they know seemingly nothing about... Straight and barrel rolls are two very different manoeuvers...
It's only taken 4 pages for these "experts" to debate something they know seemingly nothing about... Straight and barrel rolls are two very different manoeuvers...
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So Tex and Bob did it while selling planes - both accomplished pilots and in the employ of the manufacturor - a bit of manufacturor licence so to say. The disturbing bit for me would be is pilots and planes lost. Low level over the zambezi into power lines/ low level into the Vaal/ and a PA34 doing a barrel roll south of Rand - 3 Planes , at least six dead - sends shivers down my spine! Had this been filmed for a movie as may have been intended under the guidences and aprovals ET AL