Mango - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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Cut down the overheads and you already have a LCC at SAA.
Or you could do the following:
1. Clever marketing
2. Paint your aircraft in funny schemes
3. Reduce your onboard service
4. Charge the same price, but lull the public into believing it is a profitable LCC
Proof is in the Price:
Jnb to George
Kulula = R 526 one way
Nationwide = R 519 one way
SAA/SAX = R 386 one way
Just funny that the two "Full Service" operators (where you do not need your own lunchbox), are also the cheaper one's...
It's a BIG marketing ploy, that's it!
Or you could do the following:
1. Clever marketing
2. Paint your aircraft in funny schemes
3. Reduce your onboard service
4. Charge the same price, but lull the public into believing it is a profitable LCC
Proof is in the Price:
Jnb to George
Kulula = R 526 one way
Nationwide = R 519 one way
SAA/SAX = R 386 one way
Just funny that the two "Full Service" operators (where you do not need your own lunchbox), are also the cheaper one's...
It's a BIG marketing ploy, that's it!
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I dont know about all this chatter about LCC etc etc....
Judging by the amount of (ex) SAA crew flying at Nationwide it seems like SAA already has a LCC!!!!!!
You only have to listen to the amount of "springnationwides" on the airwaves nowadays, you would swear Nationwide is the LCC in disguise!!!!!!!!
Also heard that the CAA is after all those Yank registered MD11s for sum reason - apparantly they now welcome in the land yet..........anyone know more about that???
Judging by the amount of (ex) SAA crew flying at Nationwide it seems like SAA already has a LCC!!!!!!
You only have to listen to the amount of "springnationwides" on the airwaves nowadays, you would swear Nationwide is the LCC in disguise!!!!!!!!
Also heard that the CAA is after all those Yank registered MD11s for sum reason - apparantly they now welcome in the land yet..........anyone know more about that???
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Originally Posted by kingpost
Saywhat, I don' think you know what you're talking about.
Now management can't just reduce SAA salaries, the unions will flip their lids, so they start an LCC, same as Jet Star in Australia. Sooner or later they will weed into the network and make more money as their costs are so much lower - that's what the stakeholders want - PROFIT. For those at SAA, profit is the revenue after all COSTS and tax are taken away, something not attained by doing fly pasts in aircraft that should be earning revenue !!!
Now management can't just reduce SAA salaries, the unions will flip their lids, so they start an LCC, same as Jet Star in Australia. Sooner or later they will weed into the network and make more money as their costs are so much lower - that's what the stakeholders want - PROFIT. For those at SAA, profit is the revenue after all COSTS and tax are taken away, something not attained by doing fly pasts in aircraft that should be earning revenue !!!
With regards to the Kempton Park A340 formation team, I can't agree with you more. Now if SAA management had any business sence, they could save millions of $$ by adopting a more professional approach to running their existing bussiness, than trying to start up another operator that has the potential to run up more debt.
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Wow, but this post has recently sped to a grinding halt..
Was just wondering if Deskjocky or those who always seem to be in the "know", had any new rumours to share.
It surely makes for some "interesting" and sometimes "plausible" reading.
Was just wondering if Deskjocky or those who always seem to be in the "know", had any new rumours to share.
It surely makes for some "interesting" and sometimes "plausible" reading.
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50% of travelling population?
Sky-Gods...... 50% of the travelling domestic population? I'm pretty sure, pretty damned sure, if SAA were to be closed down SABENA style, the business section of South Africa would NOT be adversly affected, even in the short term! Comair, Nationwide, 1Time, Airlink, would be able to carry the "business" traveller quite successfully, thank you! Yes, the family visits and holiday makers would have a problem initially for a few weeks, WOW!
As for the long-haul, well, SA still has to grant foreign carriers the rights to operate to here, in reciprocation for an SA carrier going there, wherever that might be.
Nationwide have not stopped their Gatwick operation. I wander why????? According to the Sky-Gods, only they, SAA can "Do" long-haul. So Vernon must then be doing it solely for reasons other than making money! Not so???
The only valid argument about NOT closing SAA down that I've read on this site comes from a Sky-God saying something to the following tune: "Please don't be against us, you are only against us because you are not part of our party and are jealous of what we have. Remember, if SAA is closed down, none of you pilots out there will get our kind of operation, because no one will be able to operate long-haul successfully. So we all would lose, especially us here now!" (Sorry to tell you that you actually arn't making it VB, and London must be a complete fluke! No-where else would work, we can guarantee you)
Amazing how we are NOT against the companies like: Comair/Nationwide/ 1Time/Airlink etc. I wander why????
Another point in case. What is the percentage ratio of skin colour passengers that SAA carries? Is it representative of the SA population? Or is the "National Carrier" in existence to carry dominantly white skinned people around at the cost of a dominantly black population?? The black goverment of South Africa supporting a white passenger population???
Take away the Carrot of Voyager and tax subsidy (paid by people who most will NEVER see the inside of an SAA aeroplane), and you'll see a different story!
As for the long-haul, well, SA still has to grant foreign carriers the rights to operate to here, in reciprocation for an SA carrier going there, wherever that might be.
Nationwide have not stopped their Gatwick operation. I wander why????? According to the Sky-Gods, only they, SAA can "Do" long-haul. So Vernon must then be doing it solely for reasons other than making money! Not so???
The only valid argument about NOT closing SAA down that I've read on this site comes from a Sky-God saying something to the following tune: "Please don't be against us, you are only against us because you are not part of our party and are jealous of what we have. Remember, if SAA is closed down, none of you pilots out there will get our kind of operation, because no one will be able to operate long-haul successfully. So we all would lose, especially us here now!" (Sorry to tell you that you actually arn't making it VB, and London must be a complete fluke! No-where else would work, we can guarantee you)
Amazing how we are NOT against the companies like: Comair/Nationwide/ 1Time/Airlink etc. I wander why????
Another point in case. What is the percentage ratio of skin colour passengers that SAA carries? Is it representative of the SA population? Or is the "National Carrier" in existence to carry dominantly white skinned people around at the cost of a dominantly black population?? The black goverment of South Africa supporting a white passenger population???
Take away the Carrot of Voyager and tax subsidy (paid by people who most will NEVER see the inside of an SAA aeroplane), and you'll see a different story!
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Very little new info on the LCC. SAA management claim to have signed confidentiality agreements so they are not telling the troops at SAA much. The SAA Chief Pilot recently wrote in his monthly flight operations report that the LCC would consider using SAA pilots if the SAA pilots union could come up with a way to meet the salary budget. The estimates are Captains at around R600k per year and FO's at R250k per year. These would be TCE salaries meaning that this is the total cost to the company. If you want to know what it is like to work at or for SAA then go and 
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Heard some guys got a phone call for employment at the SAA LCC yesterday.
From the surnames I heard, almost all of them has a Daddy at SAA....
Any of you guys wish to share your good news with us???
From the surnames I heard, almost all of them has a Daddy at SAA....
Any of you guys wish to share your good news with us???
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SAA LCC hiring
There are quite a few retired SAA Captains running around SAA being trained on the B737-800, some as instructors. The SAA pilot group are worried because they feel that SAA will slowly replace the entire domestic operation with the LCC operation. The man in charge of the LCC pilot training, who is working out of the SAA HQ and is apparently on the SAA payroll, has been quoted as saying that the LCC will even operate to Mauritius. The current B737-800 fleet managers have also been quoted as saying that 17 of the current 21 B737-800 aircraft will be going to the LCC, at a rate of one a month after start-up. Salaries mentioned recently are R300,000 for FO's with no ATP (read CADETS), a little more for FO's with an ATP and R540,000 for Captains. This operation appears to be very incestuous and you can bet that there will be a lot of nepotism in the way pilots are hired.
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Yeah, i have a cv ready but i know it's most likely going to be a really futile waste of time.... but i suppose i'll continue in my ignorant ways 
wishing and hoping!
Anyways, safe flying and good luck to those who do crack the nod!
BD
wishing and hoping!
Anyways, safe flying and good luck to those who do crack the nod!
BD
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LCC with old sky gods
Firstly, the old sky gods had their time, give the new younger generation the opportunity now, always the same old story "I wanna top up my pension" their license should be torn up and them be placed in old age homes, okay maybe this is to harsh, why don't they just go and enjoy their retirement at their game farms/beach houses. Then the so-called ("untouchable, think that we better than any other airline") SAA is ever so unprofessional, send a mail to ask if one would be available for an interview, doesn't even have decency to reply back regarding the so-called interview, and then only to receive an e-mail (after the proposed interview date) to say that now someone else is dealing with interviews, best you rather contact them. Is this how they should start their new airline, is this how professionals handle interviews, looks like some sort of abortion to me to say the least. Seems to me that it it's the old SAA mentality. How is LCC gonna be any different to SAA, personally it won't survive. Go get them One time, Kulula/BA Comair and Nationwide.
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What now ??
Have heard some guy's (1time, comair, and ce Capts) been told they are on the waiting list due to not having the 10 000 hour for command hours.
Just heard that a CE capt with way less has the nod for direct ent Capt ?
Is daddy SAA ?
Just heard that a CE capt with way less has the nod for direct ent Capt ?
Is daddy SAA ?