Transformation in SA Aviation - going nowhere slowly (like this thread)
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Poor black me!!!
Afri your outlook will keep S Africa in the 3rd world maybe even down grade to a 4th world. Remember, you won't see rainbows in the dark.
Embrace multiculturalism, learn to work together.
White people are SOUTH AFRICANS too, whether you like it or not.
Look ahead! Learn from the white South Africans, they are great teachers and fantastic pilots. It often seems to me that many whites are more open to the new South Africa than non whites.
As for becoming a pilot. Anyone with this ambition, where ever they may be, has to work their but off to get there.
I did it in SAfrica. Please don't mention afirmitive action to me, I did it on merit and merit alone.
Now with affirmative action in place. THERE IS NO EXCUSE!
Embrace multiculturalism, learn to work together. White people are SOUTH AFRICANS too, whether you like it or not.
Look ahead! Learn from the white South Africans, they are great teachers and fantastic pilots. It often seems to me that many whites are more open to the new South Africa than non whites.
As for becoming a pilot. Anyone with this ambition, where ever they may be, has to work their but off to get there.
I did it in SAfrica. Please don't mention afirmitive action to me, I did it on merit and merit alone.
Now with affirmative action in place. THERE IS NO EXCUSE!
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Hey Afri, I think you're neither black, white, racist or non racist, but rather just an ar hole, so do continue to do what you're doing best which is cr
pping out of your mouth.
hole, so do continue to do what you're doing best which is cr pping out of your mouth.
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Folks, don't waste your time entertaining Afriviation! He is obviously an SAA DG pilot who had his career sponsored by SAA, Anglo, Lesotho, the Ciskei Air Force or possibly even a foreign airline. He is most likely way younger than most of his fellow pilots at SAA with similiar seniority numbers and is advantaged at the expense of some poor white male pilot who has to sit in Afghanistan or some other sh-t hole, away from his family for months on end, because he does not fit the governments profile for being hired by SAA.
This same DG pilot is now bored with being an FO on A340's or B738's and feels it is time to get that command "because the law" says that he should. Stuff those pale males who have families to support and are already behind the financial power curve because their entry into SAA was delayed to make room for hard done-by cadets.
Do you think Afri really cares about promoting aviation and encouraging PDI's to gain a passion for aviation which is so lacking in most DG pilots? Noooo!!!! All Afri cares about is numero uno and how fast he can get his Intl command and lots of money as a long-range captain, and at the expense of any SAA pale male he has to trample over to get there. Guess which party Afri belongs to?? Why, Zuma's of course!! He's learned from the best.
This same DG pilot is now bored with being an FO on A340's or B738's and feels it is time to get that command "because the law" says that he should. Stuff those pale males who have families to support and are already behind the financial power curve because their entry into SAA was delayed to make room for hard done-by cadets.
Do you think Afri really cares about promoting aviation and encouraging PDI's to gain a passion for aviation which is so lacking in most DG pilots? Noooo!!!! All Afri cares about is numero uno and how fast he can get his Intl command and lots of money as a long-range captain, and at the expense of any SAA pale male he has to trample over to get there. Guess which party Afri belongs to?? Why, Zuma's of course!! He's learned from the best.
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Still my 2 cents
What bothers me most is that there are morons who still believe u need guargantuan thousands of hours, or tens of years of experience to be in command. That's a disease that was created by unions because of seniority numbers.
Even worse, some are still putting flying on a pedestal it shouldn't be on, making it sound like u need to be ultra-smart and carved out for it; and live for nothing but to fly, inorder to earn the right to be in an airline cockpit! Nothing wrong with quicktracking into a jet, u can do it here in the US in a couple of months if u have a nice fat bank account.
The US military has kids in their early twenties commanding and flying multi-milion dollar fighters and tankers. It's all in the training. With Level C and D sims, u can throw train 10 times worse senerios than a pilot will ever see in real life.
Even worse, some are still putting flying on a pedestal it shouldn't be on, making it sound like u need to be ultra-smart and carved out for it; and live for nothing but to fly, inorder to earn the right to be in an airline cockpit! Nothing wrong with quicktracking into a jet, u can do it here in the US in a couple of months if u have a nice fat bank account.
The US military has kids in their early twenties commanding and flying multi-milion dollar fighters and tankers. It's all in the training. With Level C and D sims, u can throw train 10 times worse senerios than a pilot will ever see in real life.
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BP, there exists in all major carriers a system called seniority. This system ensures that favouritism and nepotism are not factors in deciding who gets the next command. It means that everyone waits their turn and that ideally the most experienced FO's are the next in line when command slots become available. Sorry for you that you feel being a pilot without a passion for aviation is not a bad thing!!
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Don't you guys work??????- I don't have time to write much.
Between reading all these posts and dodging civilian and military aircraft wrecks scattered around every airfield in Africa I have to say that "Afriman ....I'm sorry the odds are not in your favour!!!!!!"
Change will come but as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated - REMOVE THE CHIP, LOOK FORWARD AND LETS DO IT ON MERIT!!!!!!
Those that got there on merit and passion - yes, you know who you are - will always make a great pilot. The others....welll??????
Between reading all these posts and dodging civilian and military aircraft wrecks scattered around every airfield in Africa I have to say that "Afriman ....I'm sorry the odds are not in your favour!!!!!!"
Change will come but as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated as its been repeated - REMOVE THE CHIP, LOOK FORWARD AND LETS DO IT ON MERIT!!!!!!
Those that got there on merit and passion - yes, you know who you are - will always make a great pilot. The others....welll??????
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Transformation in SA Aviation - going nowhere slowly (like this thread)
[Afriviation]"Yes that's right, if you're a non pale in Aviation in SA, the eyebrows are raised everywhere and it's a matter of " he won't make it until he proves us otherwise" whereas when it comes to a fellow pale " he will make it until he proves us otherwise" in the case of a fellow pale every possible assistance will be afforded to them to make the grade or for their entire flying careers even if they are they most useless pilots. "
i've been on the site for just over a year now,i would like to agree with the 'pales' and non 'pales'.What Gov. has done is taken 'pure' business men/women into strategic management posts of this complex industry and some enterprises are not doing well because their leaders are not aware or cannot concieve the nature of the operational demands.
Now its a situation that needs the experienced people in business to commit,dedicate and go that extra mile to assist them and offer unconditional support to whoever may be in need,basically all you talented,educated and experienced people in the game,it is imperitive the everyone,pale or not, on both ends(senior and beginners in aviation), get that support and thats a way we'll get OUR aviation standards on the way forward
i've been on the site for just over a year now,i would like to agree with the 'pales' and non 'pales'.What Gov. has done is taken 'pure' business men/women into strategic management posts of this complex industry and some enterprises are not doing well because their leaders are not aware or cannot concieve the nature of the operational demands.
Now its a situation that needs the experienced people in business to commit,dedicate and go that extra mile to assist them and offer unconditional support to whoever may be in need,basically all you talented,educated and experienced people in the game,it is imperitive the everyone,pale or not, on both ends(senior and beginners in aviation), get that support and thats a way we'll get OUR aviation standards on the way forward
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Had from one of the threads that SAA is not hiring any more pilots due to a lack of qualified non pale pilots? Well thumbs up SAA. At least there's one Company that's taking transformation seriously.
Does anyone see a business opportunity here? Train more black pilots there are more than 1000 jobs for them in SA Aviation
Does anyone see a business opportunity here? Train more black pilots there are more than 1000 jobs for them in SA Aviation
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What an excelent idea afridud..........a quick trip to flight school and plonk them in airliner!
What you are conveniently forgetting is that the entry requirements for the airlines were set in a time when the positions were reserved for whites only - it is therefore not a new invention intended to slow down transformation.
Those requirements are there to ensure safety. I don't give a damn about your colour / creed / religion / sexual orientation / etc... - if you don't meet the requirement, then you don't deserve the job. Simple.
If you believe that is approach is racist, then you should be real carefull - loss of another IQ point or two will result in you starting to photosynthesize. AVOID ALL BUMPS TO THE CRANIAL REGION.
Take care buddy - would hate to lose you to the plant kingdom.
PS. If things do head that way for you, all is not lost. You can always feed on your own bull$h!t.
What you are conveniently forgetting is that the entry requirements for the airlines were set in a time when the positions were reserved for whites only - it is therefore not a new invention intended to slow down transformation.
Those requirements are there to ensure safety. I don't give a damn about your colour / creed / religion / sexual orientation / etc... - if you don't meet the requirement, then you don't deserve the job. Simple.
If you believe that is approach is racist, then you should be real carefull - loss of another IQ point or two will result in you starting to photosynthesize. AVOID ALL BUMPS TO THE CRANIAL REGION.
Take care buddy - would hate to lose you to the plant kingdom.
PS. If things do head that way for you, all is not lost. You can always feed on your own bull$h!t.
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Afri, poor naive Afri, what a good Idea "Stop hiring pilots because they are the wrong colour" well my friend if you work at SAA you should know that there is a critical pilot shortage and unless steps are taken soon more and more market share will be lost to ALL WHITE OWNED competition, so please stop waving your "poor black me" flag and think about the greater good of SAA and not just yourself.
If things keep going the way they are there wont be an SAA for you to work in buddy. Just one more point, you say what a good business oportunity it will be for flying schools to train black pilots, I guess its just as well you are not in business, because its generally considered business when someone pays you for your services and you make a profit.
The reason there are so many white pilots and no black pilots is that white pilots with a passion for aviation go out there, morgage homes, take second jobs, work as desk jockeys in flying schools, borrow from parents/ banks/ friends, and make a plan and go and get there licences......black pilots on the other hand stand back and say "give it to me", they are not prepared to pay a cent of there own money to get anything........so stop wining, and go and educate your black brothers on how to get a bank loan or borrow from uncle Sexwale, that way maybe we will see more black pilots.
If things keep going the way they are there wont be an SAA for you to work in buddy. Just one more point, you say what a good business oportunity it will be for flying schools to train black pilots, I guess its just as well you are not in business, because its generally considered business when someone pays you for your services and you make a profit.
The reason there are so many white pilots and no black pilots is that white pilots with a passion for aviation go out there, morgage homes, take second jobs, work as desk jockeys in flying schools, borrow from parents/ banks/ friends, and make a plan and go and get there licences......black pilots on the other hand stand back and say "give it to me", they are not prepared to pay a cent of there own money to get anything........so stop wining, and go and educate your black brothers on how to get a bank loan or borrow from uncle Sexwale, that way maybe we will see more black pilots.
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Originally Posted by Afriviation
Does anyone see a business opportunity here? Train more black pilots there are more than 1000 jobs for them in SA Aviation
Wake up. You're not providing any useful suggestions here at all.
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Guys guys guys.....I can't believe this thread is 11 pages long and we're still going on about the same boring thing This Afri character has wound up half of Pprune in the last few months (including me!) and I see nothing has changed. The guy still has his head in the sand and will continue to do so until someone takes it off. 
I've been called rascist and every other name under the sun and have reiterated(?) much as you all have on this topic. There will be those tree huggers that will never see the light and neither will Afriman cos his head is still in the sand......and I think always will be!
Give it up fellas......
I quote from one of the guys on the other forum
"Arguing on the internet is like running the Special Olympics.....even if you win, you're still retarded"
Anyway my 5 cents worth...which these days ain't worth much.
This Afri character has wound up half of Pprune in the last few months (including me!) and I see nothing has changed. The guy still has his head in the sand and will continue to do so until someone takes it off. I've been called rascist and every other name under the sun and have reiterated(?) much as you all have on this topic. There will be those tree huggers that will never see the light and neither will Afriman cos his head is still in the sand......and I think always will be!Give it up fellas......
I quote from one of the guys on the other forum
"Arguing on the internet is like running the Special Olympics.....even if you win, you're still retarded"
Anyway my 5 cents worth...which these days ain't worth much.
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Good grief what a short sighted knob Afri!
Its been an interesting read to say the least! but whats with all this pale and non pale stuff? Call it like it is folks, we are talking black and white here, or is that racist as well?
Ill have a white coffee thanks, not a coffee with milk!
Or should we say pink or brown? oooh no, that becums porno then?
Its been an interesting read to say the least! but whats with all this pale and non pale stuff? Call it like it is folks, we are talking black and white here, or is that racist as well?
Ill have a white coffee thanks, not a coffee with milk!
Or should we say pink or brown? oooh no, that becums porno then?
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Afri well done on starting such a emotive thread, its nice to have somewhere to say these things and chat to eachother.
Please just read the other views as well as your own, you will notice that everyone is saying yes we need more black pilots, give us more black pilots, however our differences surface when we talk of how to impliment this transformation, the doors are wide open for you guys, there is nothing stopping you except that there just seems to be a lack of young black people trying to get there licences, and I personally dont understand why, its not poverty, the black middle class is growing exponentially in SA, every second BMW 4x4 or Mercedes driving our streets these days has a black person in it. Many a poor white person has got there licence, there is no reason that black people cant do the same.
A bit of Insite into SAA, SAA is presently hiring white pilots, they are desparatley short and the void can not be filled by the BEE group so government has given the go ahead to hire whites......sorry to burst your bubble. Also, I am not sure you are in SAA because you have a basic lack of knowledge about things to do with SAA, the black pilots I see and chat to at SAA are good guys who have a passion for aviation they are very aware of the effect accelerated promotion will have on how they are viewed, they also know its law that must be complied with, unfortunatley SAA management and government have done nothing to comply with the law and now its up to the pilot group to come up with a solution hence the current negotiations that will hopefully be equitable to all.
If you intend getting into SAA, dont just hope your black skin is all the qualifications you will need, even if you are a cadet you will need to pass interviews and tests to finally get in, if you spew racist venom like you have been on this web site then you will be thrown out of that interview room very fast, there is no tolerance for racism of any sort at SAA...........good luck
Please just read the other views as well as your own, you will notice that everyone is saying yes we need more black pilots, give us more black pilots, however our differences surface when we talk of how to impliment this transformation, the doors are wide open for you guys, there is nothing stopping you except that there just seems to be a lack of young black people trying to get there licences, and I personally dont understand why, its not poverty, the black middle class is growing exponentially in SA, every second BMW 4x4 or Mercedes driving our streets these days has a black person in it. Many a poor white person has got there licence, there is no reason that black people cant do the same.
A bit of Insite into SAA, SAA is presently hiring white pilots, they are desparatley short and the void can not be filled by the BEE group so government has given the go ahead to hire whites......sorry to burst your bubble. Also, I am not sure you are in SAA because you have a basic lack of knowledge about things to do with SAA, the black pilots I see and chat to at SAA are good guys who have a passion for aviation they are very aware of the effect accelerated promotion will have on how they are viewed, they also know its law that must be complied with, unfortunatley SAA management and government have done nothing to comply with the law and now its up to the pilot group to come up with a solution hence the current negotiations that will hopefully be equitable to all.
If you intend getting into SAA, dont just hope your black skin is all the qualifications you will need, even if you are a cadet you will need to pass interviews and tests to finally get in, if you spew racist venom like you have been on this web site then you will be thrown out of that interview room very fast, there is no tolerance for racism of any sort at SAA...........good luck
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Originally Posted by fluffyfan
SAA is presently hiring white pilots, they are desparatley short and the void can not be filled by the BEE group so government has given the go ahead to hire whites......
Is this rumour or truth Fluffy? Last Thursday (11/3) it was still "we do not have permission to hire".
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As someone who is not involved in the aviation industry, I would like to express my disappointment. Afriviation, I simply cannot believe you are still trying to go on about this issue and ruffle feathers 11 pages later. Your arguments are very poor, and I certainly hope you don't fly the way you argue. How on earth did you even manage to get your license? You talk about pale people getting to where they are due to their parents. Well, these poor guys have been very hard done by, because I bet your parents didn't have to pay a cent! Please forgive me for not feeling sorry for you and your past grievances, but you seem to have done enough of that yourself. One last thing - GIVE IT UP ALREADY - you lost the argument on page 1.
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Nugs have on good authority that:
1. Several candidates have received police clearance letters in the last couple of days for accepatance into SAA.
2. The training files of said candidates are ready for those selected at SAA flight ops.
Anyway if you received a call at the end of Feb and then a few hours later was told "NO".........hang five cos it might just happen.
3. Nugs are you one of them? If so good luck holding thumbs for all who want to go.....vasbyt manne!!!!
1. Several candidates have received police clearance letters in the last couple of days for accepatance into SAA.
2. The training files of said candidates are ready for those selected at SAA flight ops.
Anyway if you received a call at the end of Feb and then a few hours later was told "NO".........hang five cos it might just happen.
3. Nugs are you one of them? If so good luck holding thumbs for all who want to go.....vasbyt manne!!!!