View Poll Results: Do you speak Afrikaans?
I am a professional aviator and I speak Afrikaans
128
56.89%
I am NOT a professional aviator and I speak Afrikaans
14
6.22%
I am NOT a professional aviator and I do NOT speak Afrikaans
15
6.67%
I am a professional aviator and I do NOT speak Afrikaans
63
28.00%
I don't care one way or another about professional aviation or Afrikaans
5
2.22%
Voters: 225. This poll is closed
Afrikaans Professional Pilot
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I really do think some of the posters here need to grow up. Danny has said that it's his website and he makes the rules. If all you can contribute in return is that you will leave, you are doing nothing positive. Look at the results of the poll. There are 86 people there who say they speak Afrikaans. There were more pilots than that just in the last company I worked for in 1 African country. One of you can surely just set up your own website for an Afrikaans campfire if you feel so strongly about it - like Helitorque and other websites have been set up in the past by people who thought they could do better than Danny. You can then have your campfire and still contribute here. You only have to look at the numbers at alternative websites and at this one to see how popular PPRuNe is. If you leave, it will still be popular, but missing something from a few guys whose posts have occasionally kept us amused and occasionally made us mad. Just PM each other, set up an Afrikaans campfire, use the opportuity to slag off Danny in Afrikaans if that's what makes you happy, and then come back to PPRuNe to post on African aviation topics. What problem do you have with that? Show people that you really are just a fun-loving, beer drinking bunch of good-time guys, put it behind you and get on with life.
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Mr tower
I do hope that you will allow some of the threads in the Campfire to come back to African Aviation or find a place for them.
Sasless mentioned the closing of forums is based on the cost of running the site, so be it.. It has gotten pretty big, so its understandable. Just Helicopters. com was the same way, started off for Helicopter Stuff, then became a comodity and now just another useless site.
It certainly has been a good ride, but I guess the potential for money was always out there.
Sort of hate to see PPrune go Away, but at least once you start charging for services, most of us cheap morons will leave anyway. makes it more Professional.
Good Luck and Thanks
I do hope that you will allow some of the threads in the Campfire to come back to African Aviation or find a place for them.
Sasless mentioned the closing of forums is based on the cost of running the site, so be it.. It has gotten pretty big, so its understandable. Just Helicopters. com was the same way, started off for Helicopter Stuff, then became a comodity and now just another useless site.
It certainly has been a good ride, but I guess the potential for money was always out there.
Sort of hate to see PPrune go Away, but at least once you start charging for services, most of us cheap morons will leave anyway. makes it more Professional.
Good Luck and Thanks
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Been in the bush a while and was quite surpised to find this controversy raging. I read, write, speak and spread the love in Afrikaans and English and would dearly like to see Afrikaans continued on Pprune. This forum has by far been the most enjoyable and engaging forum I have ever participated in.
I understand the outcry by the Afrikaans community but feel the hysterics are a bit much. Come on ouens, put your money where your mouth is and claim your place on this excellent and highly professional website by voting now. It's in our hands, if we don't earn our place here we only have ourselves to blame.
Vat so!
I understand the outcry by the Afrikaans community but feel the hysterics are a bit much. Come on ouens, put your money where your mouth is and claim your place on this excellent and highly professional website by voting now. It's in our hands, if we don't earn our place here we only have ourselves to blame.
Vat so!
Towers (OIC for Lavs and Dunnies)...since you are in charge of some fun jobs....pray tell which forums are going/have gone the way of the Buffalo?
Since this is a professional pilot's web site by admission...does that mean the non-pilot related forums are up for the chop. Since Rotorheads by admission is not related to Airlines....is that one going away as well.
If final decisions have been made on these changes....or when final decisions are made....could they be advertised in advance so we don't get a great big surprise one day?
I sure hope this all settles down and we can get back to "normal"....but it seems some mob mentality is beginning to show itself. Next thing you know we will see news wire photos of flaming prunes being stomped into the pavement by enraged crowds of pot bellied bus driver hat wearing guys swearing in a polygot bunch of languages.
Since this is a professional pilot's web site by admission...does that mean the non-pilot related forums are up for the chop. Since Rotorheads by admission is not related to Airlines....is that one going away as well.
If final decisions have been made on these changes....or when final decisions are made....could they be advertised in advance so we don't get a great big surprise one day?
I sure hope this all settles down and we can get back to "normal"....but it seems some mob mentality is beginning to show itself. Next thing you know we will see news wire photos of flaming prunes being stomped into the pavement by enraged crowds of pot bellied bus driver hat wearing guys swearing in a polygot bunch of languages.
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Classic case of a rampant cumulonimbus in a tea cup.
The Afrikaans speakers are right to feel picked on, but hey, the rules of any website are the rules.....
Danny is right that it is his site, but he also knows that those companies buying advertising on pprune will not like to see these types of squabbles affecting any part of their target audience.
Let's put the cup in the dishwasher and move on.
The Afrikaans speakers are right to feel picked on, but hey, the rules of any website are the rules.....
Danny is right that it is his site, but he also knows that those companies buying advertising on pprune will not like to see these types of squabbles affecting any part of their target audience.
Let's put the cup in the dishwasher and move on.
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Hi SASless,
First off helo is totally safe as is Africa. Both are required reading for anyone with any gumption and a spirit of enquiry.
Forums bowing out will include Non Air Transport Issues, SLF and the Campfire. There are opportunities to pass their collective histories onto other forums. Same idea could apply to the Campfire - JB comes to mind. Overall theme is get back to pro aviation rather than the gargantuan ghettoised mess we have now.
Safety and CRM gets another year to see if it hits critical mass. 'Where are they now' has jumped that hurdle and quietly become a huge success but 'nightstop' just never cracks it - great when you need it but do any of you ever go there on a regular basis? Wannabees will probably move back to a single forum to retain focus on training and first jobs as a single aim. Big changes for Far East with Fragrant Harbour uniting but due to the immense and growing size of the market from the Indian sub continent to Indonesia there will be a seperate wannabees forum.
Other than that 3 or 4 other forums will combine and some private forums will quietly disappear as soon as I remember to do it and I've managed to stop Danny frigging around with the colours
Rob
First off helo is totally safe as is Africa. Both are required reading for anyone with any gumption and a spirit of enquiry.
Forums bowing out will include Non Air Transport Issues, SLF and the Campfire. There are opportunities to pass their collective histories onto other forums. Same idea could apply to the Campfire - JB comes to mind. Overall theme is get back to pro aviation rather than the gargantuan ghettoised mess we have now.
Safety and CRM gets another year to see if it hits critical mass. 'Where are they now' has jumped that hurdle and quietly become a huge success but 'nightstop' just never cracks it - great when you need it but do any of you ever go there on a regular basis? Wannabees will probably move back to a single forum to retain focus on training and first jobs as a single aim. Big changes for Far East with Fragrant Harbour uniting but due to the immense and growing size of the market from the Indian sub continent to Indonesia there will be a seperate wannabees forum.
Other than that 3 or 4 other forums will combine and some private forums will quietly disappear as soon as I remember to do it and I've managed to stop Danny frigging around with the colours
Rob
I would strongly suggest JB is one of the forums that could go....just how many inane recipe threads...where were you last night....mornington crescent threads are needed? If we are going to see a return to "professional pilot" forums....if Nightstop is considered of little use....certainly JetBlast as it is....has no value. As you state...Nightstop has its use when one is doing an RON or similar.
Over 5000 views of the poll....and 177 votes....would be interesting to see the stats on how many visits...how many posts...how many repeat posters on the site to compare the activity at the poll against the site in general.
Over 5000 views of the poll....and 177 votes....would be interesting to see the stats on how many visits...how many posts...how many repeat posters on the site to compare the activity at the poll against the site in general.
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Without wanting to take sides in this screwball argument it is however worth noting how dull, boring and un-interesting the Africa thread has become without it's characters and regular contributers.
At this rate it appears that it will only be a matter of time before it can permanently be removed from the forum.
What a waste!
At this rate it appears that it will only be a matter of time before it can permanently be removed from the forum.
What a waste!
True!!
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Well, I have to put in an alternative view. I now find the African Forum is, at long last, looking like an Aviation Forum again... and not before time! The point has been made, on many occasions, that Pprune is a Professional Pilots' Rumour Network. The African Forum had degenerated into a site where pretty much anyone who wanted to while away a few hours would post on matters with virtually nothing to do with aviation. Cut and paste merchants would fill the forum with voluminous threads on pretty much any topic only remotely related to aviation - it seemed the more remote the better. Threads always seemed to get on the subject of the unfairness of 'affirmative action' in South Africa end up with a thumbs up and 'boet', and run for pages with various people exchanging pleasantries along the lines of ' have a beer for me' when private messages would have done just as well....and not plugged up the forum. It seemed that many posters were just in it to see how many posts they could get against their name. And while many will prefer not to anger the Afrikaans posters... recent posts have shown just how abusive and unpleasant some of them can become.... I am happy to say I am more than glad that Afrikaans has finally been dropped as an acceptable posting language. What a joy to run an eye down the current forum threads and see aviation topics. What a joy to open a thread and read posts related to the topic. What a joy not to read abuse and petty grievances. What a joy to see that new topics 'today' don't run off my screen, again. That is the alternative view, and I know that I am not alone. So, all the posters who say they are off to pastures new.... enjoy, you won't be missed by as many as you think.
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Hey Boeties
Nothing nicer then getting back to the land of Afrikaans after having struggled to communicate in French,Portuguese,Swahili and Arabic for a few months......Also nothing better than actually meeting a fellow afrikaans speaker somewhere else in the world.
Just get embarrased admitting to being a boertjie whenever the subject of cricket comes up....................
Nothing nicer then getting back to the land of Afrikaans after having struggled to communicate in French,Portuguese,Swahili and Arabic for a few months......Also nothing better than actually meeting a fellow afrikaans speaker somewhere else in the world.
Just get embarrased admitting to being a boertjie whenever the subject of cricket comes up....................
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GRpr,
could not have put it any better. Lets have an African forum, not just an Afrikaans forum. I thought I was the only one with the opinions u expressed. All we ever hear is BEE this and BEE that. Put a sock in it folks. Leave it, over and done with, lets chat about something else. There's more to aviation in Africa than just complaining about affirmative action!!! People really need to go out more, have girl/boy (delete as applicable) friends or simply just have a mountain dew. All this crap about our language is being suppressed on someones private site????? Its his site, if you dont like it bounce.
could not have put it any better. Lets have an African forum, not just an Afrikaans forum. I thought I was the only one with the opinions u expressed. All we ever hear is BEE this and BEE that. Put a sock in it folks. Leave it, over and done with, lets chat about something else. There's more to aviation in Africa than just complaining about affirmative action!!! People really need to go out more, have girl/boy (delete as applicable) friends or simply just have a mountain dew. All this crap about our language is being suppressed on someones private site????? Its his site, if you dont like it bounce.
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It appears that the Leaders here are watching this forum like a Hawk. Any sign of possible disruption and threads disappear.........
Be good Boys and Girls. BTW Guns is on the other website....
Be good Boys and Girls. BTW Guns is on the other website....
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Being a Boertjie in SA we all know what discrimination feels like and as such I am throwing my hat in with Gunns.
Cheers, Thanks for all the fish and goodbye.
Warloc67.
PS: It was fun while it lasted.
Cheers, Thanks for all the fish and goodbye.
Warloc67.
PS: It was fun while it lasted.
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Well, I don't speak Afrikaans but honnestly I don't care if some people post in Afrikaans from time to time, as it always was.
It's just sad to see all these guys leaving for such a silly decision...
As for those not happy with the subjects of 'affirmative action', 'having a beer sometime' and the like, well it is part of our life as aviators on the continent. So, like it or not, it has to be in here...
Congrats on destroying the only real African Aviation site on the net...
But hey, as you said, it's your toy, not ours.
It's just sad to see all these guys leaving for such a silly decision...
As for those not happy with the subjects of 'affirmative action', 'having a beer sometime' and the like, well it is part of our life as aviators on the continent. So, like it or not, it has to be in here...
Congrats on destroying the only real African Aviation site on the net...
But hey, as you said, it's your toy, not ours.