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kgbbristol 18th Feb 2024 23:05

Air Serbia E195 runs into runway lights at Belgrade
 
Air Serbia E195 runs into runway lights at Belgrade, suffers serious damage
https://tangosix.rs/2024/18/02/embraer-195-maraton-erlajnza-bezbedno-sleteo-nakon-vanrednog-dogadjaja-po-poletanju-sa-aerodroma-nikola-tesla/

Pilot DAR 18th Feb 2024 23:11

A video of the damage has been posted on Facebook showing that the left side of the plane was gashed from the cockpit to the leading edge of the wing, and foamed by the fire department.

AreOut 18th Feb 2024 23:58

they got incredibly lucky

it's crazy how both pilot&ATC made such a huge mistake

JanetFlight 19th Feb 2024 00:07

Wow....that is nasty...how they did that!!???

Twitter @ Pedjijatar/status/1759334893836702105

It seems they entered the runway from the wrong intersection and started take off roll with insufficient runway length hitting a pole as it rotated.

Operated by greek Marathon Airlines but maintaining ex Danish registration from DAT.

https://avherald.com/h?article=5151ede4

AreOut 19th Feb 2024 00:13

The captain entered the wrong intersection and the ATC let him take off with 1300m of runway left. It's a wonder they took off at all with the airliner full of PAX.

JanetFlight 19th Feb 2024 00:54

Entering the RWY at D5 instead of D6 for a dep on rwy 30 its less that half of it...Jesus, pax should buy the Euromillions this week...:uhoh:

On a note aside,,,Someone at EMBRAER must be very proud, having in mind the rough scars on the airframe and flying well till landing again...such a flying armoured Tank indeed!

Some similarities here perhaps »»»
https://avherald.com/h?article=4bded52d&opt=0
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ac432dd36.jpeg

Chronic Snoozer 19th Feb 2024 02:22


Originally Posted by JanetFlight (Post 11599744)
Wow....that is nasty...how they did that!!???
https://twitter.com/Pedjijatar/statu...34893836702105

Twitter @ Pedjijatar/status/1759334893836702105

It seems they entered the runway from the wrong intersection and started take off roll with insufficient runway length hitting a pole as it rotated.

Operated by greek Marathon Airlines but maintaining ex Danish registration from DAT.

https://avherald.com/h?article=5151ede4

I’m no engineer but I suspect that won’t buff out.

TOGA Tap 19th Feb 2024 05:38

AirSerbia Incident on Take Off
 
https://www.airportia.com/news/marat...ay-on-takeoff/


https://x.com/AmmarMesic/status/1759...794309471?s=20

ATC Watcher 19th Feb 2024 07:35

@ Areout :

t's crazy how both pilot&ATC made such a huge mistake
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The captain entered the wrong intersection and the ATC let him take off with 1300m of runway left.
Can you explain which " huge mistake" ATC made ?
And where did you get this info about " wrong intersection " ?

DaveReidUK 19th Feb 2024 07:44


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 11599835)
And where did you get this info about " wrong intersection " ?

That much is clear from the ADS-B track.

AreOut 19th Feb 2024 08:16


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 11599835)
@ Areout :
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Can you explain which " huge mistake" ATC made ?
And where did you get this info about " wrong intersection " ?

see the picture above

NG1 19th Feb 2024 08:24

First I was wondering why they were burning fuel, I'd imagine even if they were tankering in BEG and carrying more fuel than necessary for the flight to DUS the E195 would be able to reland immediatelyß But they might have been worried about the state of the landing gear and not be aware of the substantial damage the aircraft suffered? Don't wan to armchair pilot that (in particular as I am not a pilot).

But as per video (and an article in the usually quite well informed ex-yu-aviation) they taxied (or towed the plane) to a etbridge and was foamed there? I've never seen this before and would have expected the aircraft to be evacuated on the runway or at least taxied to the nearest remote stand instead of parking it right in front of the terminal and connecting a jet bridge?

netstruggler 19th Feb 2024 08:37


Originally Posted by Pilot DAR (Post 11599727)
A video of the damage has been posted on Facebook showing that the left side of the plane was gashed from the cockpit to the leading edge of the wing....

...and again on the horizontal stabiliser. Did the landing light remain standing or did it do the damage as it fell?

DaveReidUK 19th Feb 2024 08:44


Originally Posted by NG1 (Post 11599863)
First I was wondering why they were burning fuel, I'd imagine even if they were tankering in BEG and carrying more fuel than necessary for the flight to DUS the E195 would be able to reland immediatelyß But they might have been worried about the state of the landing gear and not be aware of the substantial damage the aircraft suffered? Don't wan to armchair pilot that (in particular as I am not a pilot).

But as per video (and an article in the usually quite well informed ex-yu-aviation) they taxied (or towed the plane) to a etbridge and was foamed there? I've never seen this before and would have expected the aircraft to be evacuated on the runway or at least taxied to the nearest remote stand instead of parking it right in front of the terminal and connecting a jet bridge?

The E195 appears to have been back on the departure gate within a few minutes of landing, so it looks unlikely that it was towed on.

Incidentally, the aircraft performed a GA/flyby before landing, at around 400-500 ft AAL.

Xhi 19th Feb 2024 09:11


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11599878)
The E195 appears to have been back on the departure gate within a few minutes of landing, so it looks unlikely that it was towed on.

Incidentally, the aircraft performed a GA/flyby before landing, at around 400-500 ft AAL.

It was in the air for a full hour as they had to determine visually that the gear was down & undamaged. Crew suspected damage to landing gear. Also they wanted to burn off excess fuel as they had indication of a fuel leak so probably wanted to minimise risk of fire.

Except that then they taxied all the way to pax terminal, with an obvious massive leak.

Two different controllers asked if they were sure they could take off from D5, one even quoting them TORA from that point to whic crew confidently confirmed they were happy to take from D5. D6 that they were assigned by ATC would have given them an additional 1000 m of TORA.

As they reportedly took off (or, rather, separated from ground obstacles) some 800 m after rwy threshhold - it appears quite clear what happened.

Some questions will be asked.

Joe_K 19th Feb 2024 09:33


Originally Posted by AreOut (Post 11599741)

it's crazy how both pilot&ATC made such a huge mistake

Unconfirmed reports floating around online, saying "Air traffic control noticed in time that the plane was at D5, asked the crew if they were sure they could take off from that position, to which the crew replied in the affirmative." If true (big if), then this would make it rather difficult to blame ATC for this incident.

Curious if someone remembered to pull the breaker on the cockpit voice recorder...


AreOut 19th Feb 2024 09:52

the problem is they asked him at all, there is nothing to ask at that point, no airliner ever took off from that position on BEG, not even an empty ATR

FUMR 19th Feb 2024 10:01


Originally Posted by AreOut (Post 11599745)
The captain entered the wrong intersection and the ATC let him take off with 1300m of runway left. It's a wonder they took off at all with the airliner full of PAX.

ATC twice asked them to confirm that they wanted to depart from D5 and even gave them distance available. ATC cannot do more than that. They are not flying the aircraft. That's the captain's responsibility. He has the numbers not ATC.

AreOut 19th Feb 2024 10:23

ah, so they can get permission from ATC to take off even if there is a 100m of runway left? Interesting.

FUMR 19th Feb 2024 10:43


Originally Posted by AreOut (Post 11599931)
ah, so they can get permission from ATC to take off even if there is a 100m of runway left? Interesting.

Completely ridiculous statement! It certainly wasn't 100m was it. As I said, the pilots have the numbers not ATC. ATC have no idea of the aircraft's load or total weight. They can only ask if it is the pilot's intention to depart from D5, giving him the available distance left. That should be more than sufficient. It is NOT ATC's responsibility to fly the aeroplane.


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