Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 11600078)
Sorry, but that "50 feet" figure is not borne out by the data.
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Originally Posted by FiveGirlKit
(Post 11600146)
The data shows the first indication of altitude (50') at this position. The reading before this shows 0' well past the threshold.
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Originally Posted by DIBO
(Post 11600162)
Needs to be corrected for local QNH before anything sensible can come out of it.
I see that Avherald is also quoting "50 feet" - but then it has form for not understanding ADS-B data. :O At that point, height AAL would have been approx 175-200 feet - still low enough to scare the motorists ... |
If somebody tries it again I would think this controller (and His/Her peers) would be more assertive...Just sayin...And yes I tick most of the pilot boxes...:)
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Originally Posted by 1southernman
(Post 11600275)
If somebody tries it again I would think this controller (and His/Her peers) would be more assertive...Just sayin...And yes I tick most of the pilot boxes...:)
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There is full ATC Recording (I cannot copy links), but it is on the reddit. Also there is a video from security camera. Tail strike as well. It is on twitter, username @Pedjijatar
For ATC google: AS86C ATC Recording @ LYBE 18.02.2024. |
Originally Posted by Cozmo_NS
(Post 11600305)
There is full ATC Recording (I cannot copy links), but it is on the reddit. Also there is a video from security camera. Tail strike as well. It is on twitter, username @Pedjijatar
For ATC google: AS86C ATC Recording @ LYBE 18.02.2024.//x.com/Pedjijatar/status/1759660437182783668?s=20 |
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
(Post 11600093)
So are you suggesting that ATC be made aware of the weight of each aircraft and run performance data to approve and tell the pilots how much runway they need?
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”A transcript will confirm if that was the case.“
not only did the controller tell them the remaining distance, he told them to stop and recalculate, and if they couldn’t make it from D5 cleared to backtrack to abeam D6. i suspect having lined up at the wrong intersection, in haste the crew typed and searched for D5 into the EFB which spat out some numbers, but it went un-noticed that D5 was for 12R not 30L. |
Originally Posted by AreOut
(Post 11600328)
the ATC certainly knew the plane had PAX because it's a regular flight to Dusseldorf, the difference isn't a few meters but a kilometer, ATC may not be accountable for what happened but certainly morally responsible, some things are just clear without running any calculations
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So far,
crew missed d6 hp, reach d5, atc tried to correct ( three times), they have declared " able" , height was 0 ( zero) m a few hundred meters after end of runway, 15 m near oil station and bilbord at the highway- one low pass, one almost cfit at Avala hill east of the airfield,coupled with near air miss or so with another aircraft, land 40 kts higher than normal,without flaps... what a shift! |
Originally Posted by AreOut
(Post 11600328)
ATC may not be accountable for what happened but certainly morally responsible, some things are just clear without running any calculations
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Originally Posted by 1southernman
(Post 11600336)
I thought my post was pretty benign...I was going say something like "what if it was from D4"...Would the controller still sit on his tongue and launch em anyway ?... But I thought that was little smart assy...:) ...BTW you can make your point without the disrespectful "CAPS" and "repeat"...This ain't FB....At least since the "like" button went away,,,I'm glad for that because I believe that the arrogance for some on here is directly proportional to the number of "likes" accumulated...B
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
(Post 11600359)
does ATC have the right to refuse to give a takeoff clearance on the basis that it looks like an odd place for the aircraft to start from?
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Originally Posted by AreOut
(Post 11600363)
of course, you can't go to the grass and say "I want a takeoff clearance from here", at least not if you don't have a very valid reason
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Originally Posted by AreOut
(Post 11600363)
of course, you can't go to the grass and say "I want a takeoff clearance from here", at least not if you don't have a very valid reason
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Originally Posted by AreOut
(Post 11600328)
the ATC certainly knew the plane had PAX because it's a regular flight to Dusseldorf, the difference isn't a few meters but a kilometer, ATC may not be accountable for what happened but certainly morally responsible, some things are just clear without running any calculations
I think you will also find that there is more involved than the intersection they picked. The aircraft should have flown with the distance available. The aircraft is capable of accelerating to V1 and stopping in 4700 feet with a full load of people and fuel for 500 miles. There are other factors involved. I suspect they had an incorrect takeoff power setting as well as the incorrect runway Intersection. |
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