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B2N2 3rd Feb 2019 23:57

Probably not.
Unqualified pilot exceeding personal limitations in an airplane he may or may not have been familiar with in horrendous weather conditions.

Back in the day when I was flying private jet charter we always had a sharp increase in requests when the airlines cancelled flights out of major hubs due to weather.

So...Mr and Mrs Filthyrich please explain to me how you believe you should get on a (much) smaller plane and try and conquer the exact same weather conditions the airlines have cancelled for?!

On rare occasions we could sneak in or out before or right after the weather system but mostly we said...no

double_barrel 4th Feb 2019 06:49


Originally Posted by srobarts (Post 10379424)
David Mearns‏ @davidlmearns 15m15 minutes ago
Wreckage of the plane carrying Emiliano Sala and piloted by David Ibbotson was located early this morning by the FPV MORVEN. As agreed with the AAIB they moved the GEO OCEAN III over the position we provided them to visually identify the plane by ROV. #EmilianoSala

interesting that they appear totally confident that they have found it without any visual confirmation.

ChickenHouse 4th Feb 2019 07:17


Originally Posted by double_barrel (Post 10379679)
interesting that they appear totally confident that they have found it without any visual confirmation.

Not really, that waste garden has been charted quite seriously and they would recognize if a diver snaps a screw off the u-boat down there ...
With the very small search area based on radar data it was to be expected to last one or two days only.
More interesting, will they inspect or salvage? By seafarers tradition they would let the sea take care of the dead to rest in peace.

uffington sb 4th Feb 2019 07:41

I’m sure some people would like that happen CH, as there might be some very incriminating evidence on mobile phones.

A and C 4th Feb 2019 07:51

Chicken house
 
I thinkit is highly likely that the aircraft will be recovered, the high profile nature of the passenger and the dubious charter arrangements will put pressure on the authorities to fully investigate the circumstances.

From a technical point of view it will be good to get an idea of the reasons the aircraft came to grief however Iím sure from a leagal point of view the charter arrangements will prove far more controversial.

cats_five 4th Feb 2019 08:00

Heard on the news this morning (4th Feb) that an ROV has been down and confirmed the registration number, surprise was expressed they found it in big pieces, they were expecting a debris field. Also heard there was no sign of the occupants.

ChickenHouse 4th Feb 2019 08:35


Originally Posted by A and C (Post 10379737)
I thinkit is highly likely that the aircraft will be recovered, the high profile nature of the passenger and the dubious charter arrangements will put pressure on the authorities to fully investigate the circumstances.

From a technical point of view it will be good to get an idea of the reasons the aircraft came to grief however I’m sure from a leagal point of view the charter arrangements will prove far more controversial.

It always makes me sad to see a man kicking a soccer ball perceived as 'high profile'.
So many real everyday heroes around us and we made such gamers gods ...

Yes, I agree from a technical standpoint it will/would be interesting to evaluate the aircraft.
I not sure a salvage is necessary for that, but it depends on the condition of the wreckage.

Just hope they do not find out they left the aircraft after ditching, just to die in the waters.

rog747 4th Feb 2019 08:48

If no bodies spotted and a/c is in one piece as stated then chances are both got out maybe OK but the sea took them - very sad if that is the case

ChickenHouse 4th Feb 2019 09:00


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10379777)
If no bodies spotted and a/c is in one piece as stated then chances are both got out maybe OK but the sea took them - very sad if that is the case

Given the stories of the pilot meandering, I somehow doubt he was able to correctly depressurize the cabin before an emergency ditching, am I thinking too bad?

Position reported for the wreckage spot on the DCT course line?

jumpseater 4th Feb 2019 09:01


Originally Posted by Pittsextra (Post 10379294)
That way people who transgress can expect a consequence very many people know others who operate close to the wind and others find out usually when the tide has gone out and we read about it in an AAIB report. Ill leave you to read them for yourself however perhaps one start could be the warnings given about the man who died in his own AW139 in Norfolk. Why wasnt that dealt with years before?

I’ve read the two reports above, both accidents conducted by professional crew, appropriately licenced, qualified, and operating legally within the requirements of the ANO for the flights being conducted.
This accident appears to be pretty much the opposite of the above, least of all in the crew suitability. In all three accidents the opportunity prior to flight, and with G-GH specifically once airborne, was there for the crew/crews to call halt, or ‘no go’ and they didn’t.

I’ve had crews ‘refuse’ flight, always with good reason. That cost the operator significant amounts of money and a degree of difficulty and ‘embarrassment’ with the clients. No one died though.


Above The Clouds 4th Feb 2019 09:33


Originally Posted by ChickenHouse (Post 10379789)
Given the stories of the pilot meandering, I somehow doubt he was able to correctly depressurize the cabin before an emergency ditching, am I thinking too bad?

Position reported for the wreckage spot on the DCT course line?

The aircraft would not have been pressurised by the time it got to sea level with the engine at idle, it relies on the engine turbo charger system to pressurise it.

S-Works 4th Feb 2019 09:34

I think pure coincidence...

Originally Posted by Above The Clouds (Post 10379827)
The aircraft would not have been pressurised by the time it got to sea level with the engine at idle, it relies on the engine turbo charger system to pressurise it.


its not that simple.

Above The Clouds 4th Feb 2019 09:45


Originally Posted by S-Works (Post 10379831)


its not that simple.

I am type rated on that particular aircraft type.

sycamore 4th Feb 2019 09:46

Thought it was a non-pressurised model;;;;anyway would not be pressurised much,if any, at 5000 ft...

S-Works 4th Feb 2019 09:58

So am I. And an Examiner.

It was a pressurised Malibu

Above The Clouds 4th Feb 2019 10:17


Originally Posted by S-Works (Post 10379851)
So am I. And an Examiner.

So then you know that having the pressurisation controller set at 500 feet above the airfield elevation of departure would mean once the aircraft was descending towards SL and below 500 feet give or take variations in local pressure altitude that the hull should be de-pressurized below 500 feet or have very little pressure remaining in the hull, bar the squat switch not being activated as the gear was probably up for the ditching would leave a very minor positive pressure in the hull.







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clareprop 4th Feb 2019 10:50

I'm not sure I've read anywhere that, 'there were no signs of the occupants'. The opposite in fact, AAIB quotes 'one body is visible'. That, of course doesn't mean there aren't two.
BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47118340

Cows getting bigger 4th Feb 2019 10:56

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7e49dda714.jpg

S-Works 4th Feb 2019 10:56


Originally Posted by Above The Clouds (Post 10379866)
So then you know that having the pressurisation controller set at 500 feet above the airfield elevation of departure would mean once the aircraft was descending towards SL and below 500 feet give or take variations in local pressure altitude that the hull should be de-pressurized below 500 feet or have very little pressure remaining in the hull, bar the squat switch not being activated as the gear was probably up for the ditching would leave a very minor positive pressure in the hull.


.

The number of times I have sat waiting for it to bleed down on landing to be able to open the door is beyond a joke. The squat switch is unreliable to say the least. It only takes a tiny differential to stop that door opening from first had experience. But its a moot point as they have found at least one body inside the wreckage.

vanHorck 4th Feb 2019 11:38

The door seems open?


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