Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Accidents and Close Calls
Reload this Page >

Alaska Airlines 737-900 MAX loses a door in-flight out of PDX

Wikiposts
Search
Accidents and Close Calls Discussion on accidents, close calls, and other unplanned aviation events, so we can learn from them, and be better pilots ourselves.

Alaska Airlines 737-900 MAX loses a door in-flight out of PDX

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 22nd Mar 2024, 14:33
  #1941 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Location: USA
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Passengers onboard terrifying midair door blowout Alaska Airlines flight told they may be ‘victim of a crime’

The FBI has contacted passengers on the Alaska Airlines flight on which a door panel blew off at 16,000 feet to tell them that they might be a “possible victim of a crime.”

The agency’s Seattle bureau sent a letter Tuesday confirming to passengers that it has opened a criminal investigation into the Jan. 5 blowout on the Boeing 737 MAX flight, according to the Seattle Times.

...
https://nypost.com/2024/03/22/us-new...im-of-a-crime/
GregAmy is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2024, 00:50
  #1942 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: France
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hi,
American laws, the legal system and the terms that go with them are often surprising to non-Americans. Does this letter from the FBI means that:
- the negligence which led to the accident/incident (the choice of word is not obvious either) could be described as "criminal",
- or is there a suspicion of malice?

PL
PaxLambda is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2024, 01:16
  #1943 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Everett, WA
Age: 68
Posts: 4,413
Received 180 Likes on 88 Posts
Originally Posted by GregAmy
Passengers onboard terrifying midair door blowout Alaska Airlines flight told they may be ‘victim of a crime’

The FBI has contacted passengers on the Alaska Airlines flight on which a door panel blew off at 16,000 feet to tell them that they might be a “possible victim of a crime.”

The agency’s Seattle bureau sent a letter Tuesday confirming to passengers that it has opened a criminal investigation into the Jan. 5 blowout on the Boeing 737 MAX flight, according to the Seattle Times.

...
https://nypost.com/2024/03/22/us-new...im-of-a-crime/
If someone wanted to stifle the investigation into what happened and why, I can't think of a better way to do it than this. It's pretty much guaranteed to make everyone involved 'lawyer up' (i.e. refuse to say anything).
One of the dumbest things they could have done if they really want to find out what went wrong and what to do to fix it.
Someone is playing politics, and damn the consequences.
tdracer is offline  
Old 24th Mar 2024, 02:09
  #1944 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Location: USA
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by tdracer
Someone is playing politics, and damn the consequences.
[ taps side of nose... ]
GregAmy is offline  
Old 25th Mar 2024, 12:43
  #1945 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: France
Age: 62
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Chief commercial airplanes fired, Calhoun will step down. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/b...teps-down.html
spornrad is offline  
Old 25th Mar 2024, 14:51
  #1946 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Florida
Posts: 247
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PaxLambda
Hi,
American laws, the legal system and the terms that go with them are often surprising to non-Americans. Does this letter from the FBI means that:
- the negligence which led to the accident/incident (the choice of word is not obvious either) could be described as "criminal",
- or is there a suspicion of malice?

PL
There can be criminal negligence without malice or forethought.
Lake1952 is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2024, 22:06
  #1947 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2024
Location: France
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lake1952
There can be criminal negligence without malice or forethought.
Yes, I understand that in common wording. I thought that the word "crime" in a FBI text would have a very precise meaning.

Regards,
PL
PaxLambda is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2024, 22:51
  #1948 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Within AM radio broadcast range of downtown Chicago
Age: 71
Posts: 848
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PaxLambda
Yes, I understand that in common wording. I thought that the word "crime" in a FBI text would have a very precise meaning.

Regards,
PL
It does. The federal criminal statutes.
WillowRun 6-3 is offline  
Old 3rd Apr 2024, 00:10
  #1949 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Within AM radio broadcast range of downtown Chicago
Age: 71
Posts: 848
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Excellent reporting currently, published by The Wall Street Journal, on Line no. 8789. And an evidently significant component of the total set of relevant and material facts about the "disarray" in the factory. Highly recommended reading,
WR Six-Three
WillowRun 6-3 is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2024, 22:32
  #1950 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2023
Location: Chur
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Boeing coughed up $160 million

…to Alaska to compensate lost profits.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68737292
Filibust is offline  
Old 17th Apr 2024, 05:50
  #1951 (permalink)  
DTA
 
Join Date: Jan 2024
Location: UK
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From the BBC.
United Airlines has blamed Boeing for a $200m (£161m) hit to its earnings in the first three months of this year.

The carrier was forced to ground its Boeing 737 MAX 9 fleet for three weeks after a mid-air cabin blowout on an Alaska Airlines flight in January.

United said that pushed it to a pre-tax loss of $164m for the first quarter.

The airline said it "would have reported a quarterly profit" otherwise.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd189nmv2dro
DTA is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.