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JAL incident at Haneda Airport

Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Dct_Mopas
ATC live recordings are available and JAL516 was cleared to land 34R. It was the first of a number of aircraft given 34R for landing.

https://archive.liveatc.net/rjtt/RJT...2024-0830Z.mp3

Landing clearance readback at 15mins.
Report of fire at 17mins 20secs
What about the ATC communications with the Coast Guard plane? Would those be in this audio stream?
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:05
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I find it hard to believe all escaped. There is video of them coming down the slide with flames inside the cabin.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:08
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Why are the nacelles on the ground? Is the loss of nosegear going to cause such substantial contact?
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:10
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New video of evacuation from aircraft right, shows no2 engine still running. Well done to cabin crew for situational awareness and not evacuating behind no 2 engine.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:10
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Originally Posted by ORAC
If we have the ATC recordings, what were the taxi, runway, hold instructions for the Dash-8?
This really is an unconfirmed ATC message - but from what I made out an aircraft unknown was told “your number 1, taxi for holding point C5”. Which is an intersection for 34R.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:10
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Last 5 from Dash now confirmed deceased.
Died in the course of duty bringing relief and supplies to earthquake victims.

RIP
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:11
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Latest video on Sky News shows the right hand engine still running and throwing out sparks and debris as the evacuation is taking place with a heavy fuel leak from the centreline tanks. Only front slide in use on the right side, front and rear on the left.

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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:12
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The evacuation from a few angles...
https://x.com/mishika_singh/status/1...050074822?s=20
https://x.com/koidrupesh/status/1742...070979883?s=20
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1742128781509423358?s=20



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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:13
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Also rh mlg collapsed, liquid pouring from fuselage centre, and damage to engine cowling as if something cut through it.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:21
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That slide doesn't look like it deployed properly.

This is tragic. A member of the public can see aircraft movements on FR24 and spot a potential collision before any onboard aircraft systems and ATC can. How is that possible in 2024?
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:21
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The new video also shows two AFRS in attendance and having laid foam down during evacuation. If the leaking liquid is fuel from centre tank, that foam saved lifes.

It appears the AFRS had a realitively intact aircraft under controlled evacuation. The inferno came after evacuation.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:24
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Video on Sky news showing evacuation from the starboard side. Clear damage to the right hand nacelle and radome/lower fuselage.

A little sceptical that the leak of fluid from the lower fuselage is fuel. Would a short internal flight be using the centre tank? Also, the Japan Airlines title is partially obscured on the fuselage - foam covered? More likely fluid is fire fighting media.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:33
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Do the JAL 359s actuallly have centre fuel tanks? I know these birds were specifically built for JAL domestics. I’m sure I remember reading at the time they were introduced that they might not have the centre tanks to save weight because they didn’t need to carry more fuel than could be stored in the wing tanks?
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:34
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The Ministry of Transport and the Coastguard Service are now engaged in a meeting which started 20 minutes ago.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:34
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Originally Posted by Skillsy
The evacuation from a few angles...
Maybe it's the angle, but that slide looks really steep. Did it fully deploy?
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:36
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Terrible accident.

Are all A350 delivered with the HUD on both sides?

Airplanes can be extremely difficult to spot on a runway amongst all the lighting, especially if they are stationary, but I would have thought with two pilots looking through the HUD, it could help reduce this risk.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:38
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Originally Posted by M4rtyman
Maybe it's the angle, but that slide looks really steep. Did it fully deploy?
It's because the nose is on the floor, so the rear is higher that normal. Thus the slide is very steep.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:47
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Originally Posted by rkenyon
It's because the nose is on the floor, so the rear is higher that normal. Thus the slide is very steep.
Ah yes - makes sense
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:53
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On the livestream at timestamp 17:59, a figure can be seen walking near the Dash-8 wreckage. He appears to have a limp and may possibly be the Coast Guard pilot.
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Old 2nd Jan 2024, 11:57
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Originally Posted by RudderTrimZero
That slide doesn't look like it deployed properly.

This is tragic. A member of the public can see aircraft movements on FR24 and spot a potential collision before any onboard aircraft systems and ATC can. How is that possible in 2024?
Checking on FR24 I cannot see the Dash 8 at all.
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