JAL incident at Haneda Airport
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They had to fight two fires at the same time. One from a most likely full fuel Dash-8 on the runway and one from the A350 with my estimate a least 1 hour worth of fuel. We might see in the next days what (little) is left from the Dash-8. Regardless two plane on one runway is one too many. Will be interesting who screwed up here, as there are several holes in the cheese needed for this outcome. At least at some point the tower must have seen that there is a problem. Visibility was not bad, so even the A350 should have seen some lights from the Dash.
If you have no person missing in the A350 and 5 missing in the Dash it is clear where the priorities for firefighting and rescue operations are.
If you have no person missing in the A350 and 5 missing in the Dash it is clear where the priorities for firefighting and rescue operations are.
I'm quite alarmed by the amount of energy that was in that fire and the capabilities of the fire crew to defeat it unless it was allowed to burn out
2 fires to deal with - and I wonder if some equipment was out dealing with the fallout of the earthquake
Horrendous
But an absolutely amazing evacuation
2 fires to deal with - and I wonder if some equipment was out dealing with the fallout of the earthquake
Horrendous
But an absolutely amazing evacuation
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I haven't see all the footage yet, but it strikes me as remarkable that almost 400 people safely emerged from this...and that is credit to the design of the modern airliner. Not to mention the JAL cabin crew. Something to be celebrated.
The horror is that the Coast Guard crew seem to have perished.
Root causes will emerge later, but for now, something which could have been much, much worse has been avoided.
The horror is that the Coast Guard crew seem to have perished.
Root causes will emerge later, but for now, something which could have been much, much worse has been avoided.
Coastguard MA722 fixed-wing aircraft.
There’s YouTube footage of the A350 landing where it hits the other aircraft. Just before the moment of collision you can see the strobes of the Coast Guard aircraft. Then it’s engulfed in flames.
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the earthquake happend on the other side of the island and it is unlikely that ARFF equipment and personell would be sent. Esp. when access to the region seems to be difficult and there is no widespread fire/destruction (compared to the last "big one" that hit Japan).
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Absolutely...fire fighting is for preservation of life. As someone mentioned further up, you then put fire fighters themselves at undue risk if you keep going once passengers / crew are safe. Unless the fire creates additional collateral risk to life.
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Quite right too - these plastic aircraft full of Lithium ion Batteries and various pressurized accumulators should, once all pax and crew off, be cordoned off and left to burn. Also, there is residual fuel in the empty aux/tail tanks and probably 20% fuel in the main tanks.
Foam does not prevent Lion Batteries self sustaining....
Foam does not prevent Lion Batteries self sustaining....
Dash crew update. 4 just been confirmed dead. The captain in serious state, concerning one other, no pronouncement yet.
Quite right too - these plastic aircraft full of Lithium ion Batteries and various pressurized accumulators should, once all pax and crew off, be cordoned off and left to burn. Also, there is residual fuel in the empty aux/tail tanks and probably 20% fuel in the main tanks.
Foam does not prevent Lion Batteries self sustaining....
Foam does not prevent Lion Batteries self sustaining....
Former JAL pilot speculates from the quick fire spread that JAL 516 wing tank might have ripped, leaked and sparked off from engine. He thinks one or other of the pilots must have misheard ATC instructions.
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Here are 3 screengrabs from the video in post #65.
They are each 2-3 minutes apart, in sequence:
In frame #1 you can see the evacuation ongoing. A steward stands in the doorway with a flashlite, until 1-2 minutes after the last passenger evacuates down the rear slide - so great job there.
In frame #2 you see that the evacuation is apparently complete, and that fire trucks are on the scene but sending no foam. But 1 lone fireman is approaching the LH engine.
You see him very clearly in Frame #3, spraying the LH engine by hand. Also, overall the fire is markedly reduced. Evidently it erupted later, to engulf the entire plane, but minutes after the evacuation was over.
I guess that the firemen are following SOP's, not to spray foam on an empty aircraft? Although the fire is quite small by then. The trucks did not spray foam at any time during the evacuation, so they cannot have run out of foam.
But what is the "lone fireman" doing? Has he disobeyed orders? What he is doing looks dangerous, and rather pointless, so I think something has not gone to plan.
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They are each 2-3 minutes apart, in sequence:
In frame #1 you can see the evacuation ongoing. A steward stands in the doorway with a flashlite, until 1-2 minutes after the last passenger evacuates down the rear slide - so great job there.
In frame #2 you see that the evacuation is apparently complete, and that fire trucks are on the scene but sending no foam. But 1 lone fireman is approaching the LH engine.
You see him very clearly in Frame #3, spraying the LH engine by hand. Also, overall the fire is markedly reduced. Evidently it erupted later, to engulf the entire plane, but minutes after the evacuation was over.
I guess that the firemen are following SOP's, not to spray foam on an empty aircraft? Although the fire is quite small by then. The trucks did not spray foam at any time during the evacuation, so they cannot have run out of foam.
But what is the "lone fireman" doing? Has he disobeyed orders? What he is doing looks dangerous, and rather pointless, so I think something has not gone to plan.
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