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Old 15th Sep 2017, 12:18   #61 (permalink)
 
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RYR only need to hang on until the clocks change and then enjoy another 6 month respite before the next season starts.
I wouldn't be so sure. Their 900 calendar year reverted to start on January 1st this year (I believe), so by the end of the Summer many of them will be very high on hours - the schedule will slow down slightly but that's when the months off begin.

They may breathe a sigh of relief on January 1st, but it will be short lived. If they can't crew the aircraft now, they have no chance with expansion. It's absolutely fantastic to see, imagine how many additional flights would be cancelled if their crew had the balls to call sick or fatigued when they're...sick or fatigued.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 13:26   #62 (permalink)
 
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they are cancelling about 80 flights per day
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 15:58   #63 (permalink)
 
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I'd imagine the 737 rated DEC tree isn't baring any fruit and people are still heading for the door marked 'exit.' What's new? They'll pull through, bury their issues with PR spin and add a few extra zeros to the balance sheet for additional wet leasing costs. I wouldn't get too excited.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 17:17   #64 (permalink)


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"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

GS Capture: please supply a link. The next question: is this ruling binding and if so, what are the authorities going to do about enforcing it? And what recompense and other refunds can the victims claim back? If they have incurred expenses which should have been at the employer's cost then surely they should be refundable. There is also a question about lost 'are time' or time off. The commuters were on duty positioning in their own time and so were not operating according to a correct contact.
Will this can or worms ever be opened?
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Ryanair loses EU court battle to keep Irish law for crew abroad | Reuters
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 17:33   #65 (permalink)
 
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"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

GS Capture: please supply a link. The next question: is this ruling binding and if so, what are the authorities going to do about enforcing it? And what recompense and other refunds can the victims claim back? If they have incurred expenses which should have been at the employer's cost then surely they should be refundable. There is also a question about lost 'are time' or time off. The commuters were on duty positioning in their own time and so were not operating according to a correct contact.
Will this can or worms ever be opened?
I did try to add link on it put this site didn't allow me to do it since I haven't posted enough

https://www.eurocockpit.be/news/ryanairs-irish-fiction-refuted-european-court-justice

Good questions and probably it's just a small start but at least it is something. I don't think nothing will ever be refunded or so but as long as it slows down or it's a once step closer to stop this kind of employment it's always a good news to hear.

Oh and heard the same, Ryanair cancelled and will cancel odd ~80 flights a day.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 17:33   #66 (permalink)
 
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...22671?mode=amp

Up to 50 Cancellations for 6 weeks due to staff shortage
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 18:16   #67 (permalink)
 
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Maybe its time for FR to face reality. 5 on 4 off is not enough anymore. I've been told that even NTR DEC are not lining up anymore. True or not who cares...
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:04   #68 (permalink)
 
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Ryanair spainish flight cancelled for Sunday 17th not able to contact "the live chat line for re-routing. BUSY ????
Anybody any idea was it ???

(1) lack of staff.

(2) what if any compensation a passenger might get. ( according to the web site if you make your own way home you will have to claim from your travel insurance). But what choice does one have.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:09   #69 (permalink)
 
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Now Ryanair have sent all pilots a memo that "to improve productivity, they may have to change the roster pattern", and some pilots have already gone on to 5/3 with today's roster.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:35   #70 (permalink)
 
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Just saw this in the news..... I am going to spend the next 10 mins on the floor after falling off my chair laughing then ill come back for a full read of the rumours lol........ After 8 years in that company before jumping ship in 2014 I can't tell you how happy I am it seems to have finally bitten them back.

Fantastic news for us Pilots.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:50   #71 (permalink)
 
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Fantastic news for us Pilots.
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All I see is 5/4 being turned into 5/3 for the FR drivers.
If you're out of hours....... unpaid leave, as in Winter, is always an option.

Don't see where there is an upside here.

Good luck to all.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:58   #72 (permalink)
 
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Their greed caught them up eventually.
Ryanair makes an obscene amount of money yet it is 'toxic' with people queing for the exit. Instead of a 1.1 billion profit make it a 800 million profit with improved T's and C's. It could be one of the best places to work with new aircraft and a choice of locations but it is regarded as one of the worst. Pure simple greed.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:01   #73 (permalink)
 
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Plenty of upside. Either you leave, or you stand up and fight for your rights. Simples!
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:04   #74 (permalink)
 
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The upside is that the cracks are becoming holes and they will have to stop the further degrading of terms to plug the holes. This will hopefully stop the race to the bottom getting even lower.

Yes if your in FR this could suck short term but if your employed elsewhere this could change the mind of an employer saying lets not give a pay rise next year after seeing that you can't get away with it for ever.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:14   #75 (permalink)
 
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RYR arrogance really knows no bounds, and as usual it's not their fault. Mismanaged recruitment and retention policies pure and simple. If the ECJ ruling and cnx flights due lack of staff do affect the share price then surely questions to be asked at the next AGM?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:19   #76 (permalink)
 
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If Ryanair pilots actually grew a backbone, this situation would not 'suck' for them because they'd flat out refuse to operate duties outside of the agreed roster pattern, would offer to work days off for an extra 500 Euro, etc. Unfortunately, they don't have a backbone, so Ryanair still get away with doing what they want with the pilots that are left.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:21   #77 (permalink)
 
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9000 passengers a day for six weeks would be a lot of money in compensation. At some point it's cheaper isn't it to boost salaries and conditions so people stay and fly then having to pay compensation and letting down the passengers for not being able to retain staff because of bad conditions.

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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:22   #78 (permalink)
 
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Ironically the 5/3 change will probably mean easier days as you can't sustain 4 sect days on 5/3 like you can on a 5/4, so that won't be a solution.

Am praying for some serious pressure from shareholders over this and the ecj ruling that just maybe will force a regime change.....well one can only hope.

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Old 15th Sep 2017, 21:29   #79 (permalink)
 
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Ryanair cancelling '40 to 50 flights a day' for six weeks
http://news.sky.com/story/ryanair-cancelling-40-to-50-flights-a-day-for-six-weeks-11037187
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 21:34   #80 (permalink)
 
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To be honest anyone who joined FR in the last 10years went in with their eyes open or otherwise had been living in a cave.

They went in there paying for their type rating, sleeping in airport car parks and paying to fly simply to tread on anyone in their path. They are as guilty as MOL in reducing T&C's.

So anyone on here who willingly applied to FR for a job and are complaining or laughing at FR's predicament should simply STFU and take a look in the mirror to see where it all went wrong.
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