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Old 20th Sep 2017, 10:14
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Originally Posted by cowhorse

What gets on my nerves is when people start to argue that the problem with FR are the 200h cadets and thus indirectly implying 'safety argument', which can be refuted in an instant. 1500h rule was implemented to stop the devaluation of our profession and not due to safety.
The 200h cadets are part (a big part) of the problem in Ryanair and not for safety reasons. They accept this ridiculous terms and conditions offered to them by Ryanair because they want to get experience and then move on to a "better airline with better T&C".
What they don't realize is that by accepting this T&C they are enabling Ryanair to grow and dictate the T&C across Europe.
If the cadets keep accepting this from Ryanair the "better airlines with better T&C" won't be around for much longer.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 10:43
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Thanks for posting the link Hargreaves.

Surprised that following the recent press conferences crews haven't gone out on a mass day of sickness....

I bet his Jockeys at Gigginstown Stables don't have to pay for water....or do they?
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 10:54
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Originally Posted by Skipname
The 200h cadets are part (a big part) of the problem in Ryanair and not for safety reasons. They accept this ridiculous terms and conditions offered to them by Ryanair because they want to get experience and then move on to a "better airline with better T&C".
What they don't realize is that by accepting this T&C they are enabling Ryanair to grow and dictate the T&C across Europe.
If the cadets keep accepting this from Ryanair the "better airlines with better T&C" won't be around for much longer.
In my company (somewhere in the Eastern Europe, not a lo co company we also hire 200h cadets, but we have a strong union so this has no effect on our t&c's. So the problem with FR are not cadets per se, but the lack of organised labour (and the free market zealots in the Brussels that look past the many questionable practices regarding taxes).

But looking at a broader picture (throughout the industry), if you base guys from France in Lithuania, without giving them a choice, this is going to became a safety issue somewhere along the line (virtually destroyed private/family life, fatigue due to commuting, which may in the end result in depression, alcoholism etc).

Airlines can always throw more money your way, but this doesn't really solve the problem. We often hear about pilot fatigue in the media, but this simple problem (ie that you have no/very limited choice about the location of your base) is almost never mentioned even though it is in a way the thing that encompasses many of the other issues. I know many guys who would gladly take a pay cut if they could work an hour drive from their home.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 11:39
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I know many guys who would gladly take a pay cut if they could work an hour drive from their home.
Good, so basically You can pay and get a base nearby home. Seems an improvement of T&Cs.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 11:49
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Or vice versa: they throw a 1000 euros your way and of you go to Vladivostok. And if you get a big enough pool of idiots, they will go there for 'free'. Yes, to me personally, family life is more important than salary. Feel free to disagree.

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Since when are t&c's only about salary?
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 11:54
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 11:58
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What has happened to the Ryanair Pilot group?
Their webwite is dead, their twitteraccount has been idle since 2016.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 12:20
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that was just BS runned by dutch idiots

we are doing things by ourselves this time...
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 12:51
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Seems like a very buttered up offer, one in which they will try and screw you despite your best efforts to help them out.

A proper overtime agreement would be better with no strings attached. Not sure how the financial aspect of this offer would compare to other airlines overtime agreements. As a side I've done more overtime this year in my outfit than their desperation plea is offering.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 13:16
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Originally Posted by cowhorse
Or vice versa: they throw a 1000 euros your way and of you go to Vladivostok. And if you get a big enough pool of idiots, they will go there for 'free'. Yes, to me personally, family life is more important than salary. Feel free to disagree.

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Since when are t&c's only about salary?
My comment was ironic in case you did not get it.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 13:51
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A requirement to work 10 days off in a year sounds like an ongoing crewing issue to me, not one that will be solved in less than 6 weeks. Is MOL really sure that this won't happen again? And what's the definition of an 'unauthorised absence?' Anything they want it to be I'd bet!

Some bonus! Incredible that FR are still dictating terms to their pilots in their hour of need.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 13:57
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Originally Posted by Skipname
The 200h cadets are part (a big part) of the problem in Ryanair and not for safety reasons. They accept this ridiculous terms and conditions offered to them by Ryanair because they want to get experience and then move on to a "better airline with better T&C".
What they don't realize is that by accepting this T&C they are enabling Ryanair to grow and dictate the T&C across Europe.
If the cadets keep accepting this from Ryanair the "better airlines with better T&C" won't be around for much longer.
You are totally correct!
I wish they could see that.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 14:24
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About the 200H cadets. When you get lied to by the promotional material fed out by the LoCo's and the respective trainin companies and start the course, what are you supposed to do? You expect people who are now 100k in debt to not sign up to those contracts and "take one for the team"? Hell no.

The whole thing is crap, but when you get taken in by a lie, who's fault is it? Is it the cadets fault for believing the lie, or CTC's fault for feeding the lie that puts them in a situation where they can't refuse the debt.

And for those who say, they should just do it the old fashioned way, try paying a mortgage nowadays on a junior flying instructors salary and see how well that goes.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 14:43
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Yeah for newbies and trying to say it's their fault for joining is a bit steep having loans already to pay off etc. As soon as you are through training you are commmitted and the interest is ticking on the debt in many cases so you need to make the call of whats best at that time. Invest more and maybe get a job and experience or wait and pay the interest and look elsewhere for another opportunity.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 14:54
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It is so easy to blame the cadet, but RYR is not P2F just poor T&C, and couples a years ago it was the only deal a low timer pilots could find, and It was harsh to get in. It is way more better than paid line training, don't you think ?
And do you have any ideas how difficult it is for a cadet to have it first job in this industry ?
A RYR pilot stay on average 4 years, well MOL created the biggest FTO ever ! And does BA, EZY, Norwegian complain about the quality of former Ryanair cadet ? of course no sir
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Callsign Kilo
Is MOL really sure that this won't happen again?
I imagine they thought they could ride the tide this time and then deal with the recruitment issue before it happened next year..

1 of 2 things will happen.

Either MOL is right when he said there wasn't a pilot shortage issue..

Or they will have spend the next 10 months recuiting like mad to try and dig themselves out of the hole they said they weren't in before it happens again, which of course they will deny is happening and was never an issue!

Regardless, if they are clever they could simply ground aircraft ahead of time and say it's part of the grand corporate plan rather than do what they did this time and cancel flights ..

The engines may not be spinning but management certainly will be spinning the truth!
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 16:22
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What has happened to the Ryanair Pilot group?
Their webwite is dead, their twitteraccount has been idle since 2016.


Did someone find out 'where they live'?

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Old 20th Sep 2017, 17:00
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Originally Posted by littco
Or they will have spend the next 10 months recuiting like mad to try and dig themselves out of the hole they said they weren't in before it happens again, which of course they will deny is happening and was never an issue
Or they could simply prepare a bit better by scheduling in contractors to fly more at the beginning of the year, so they have more regulars/permanents/long timers left with hours, and less hollidays to take, at the end of the season. Plus taking a bit more height for disruptions and delays.
It is all about having a longer view in the operational planning, however that raises the requirement of an approximate full year schedule available already at the befinning of the year = a longer time-horizon.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 18:04
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A rumour without a leg to stand on will get around some other way. Still it's great to read free speech on Ryanair. Unlike what happened to any discussions on the 'unmentionable' airline here.
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Old 20th Sep 2017, 18:59
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Good to see Jim A get his article in the guardian. He was prepared to (and did!) sacrifice his job in an attempt to improve conditions with his work with GTD.

I see rumours abound that certain bases are circulating a response to Mick Hickey's memo given their entirely reasonable doubt that many will meet the qualifying conditions. I fully applaud their efforts and hope they get a well deserved improvement in T&Cs.

Ryanair have so eroded their trust that even if they were stood outside the crewroom dispensing wads of banknotes people wouldn't believe them.
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